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ElFenrir
Well, after finding the Annoying Neighbor flaw online(is it part of a book too? I havn't gotten to read thru a lot of the new sourcebooks), I decided it would be too much fun to pass up.

Of course, yeah, it's gonna be a pain in the rear. Meets at my character's house will have to be held when it's certain said AN is not home...and then he/she would prolly show up anyway. Annoying Neighbors I have dealt with IRL, and I can imagine how much of a headache they can give a shadowrunner.

Of course, this will also go well with the 'Weirdness Magnet' 1 point flaw i found online...a brilliant one I thought, can make life, again, for the poor character rather interesting. I was sold once i read the example of the Elvis shamans appearing as contacts. This one will be great in the hands of a clever GM.

In addition, these two flaws caused my character's third flaw...Compulsion: Smoking. grinbig.gif Teammates might wonder why the hell the dude lights up every ten minutes, but after being his partner for awhile, i am sure they will see why. wink.gif

So where to start? I could go the uber-nerdy route, the uber-curious route, the WAAAY too helpful route, a combination of two or all of them, or even something different.

Any thoughts?
FrostyNSO
Or you could go the "fatal attraction" route.
ElFenrir
Nothing says love more than a bunny in the pot. Another good idea.
blakkie
Fox already has, the Bundy family.
ElFenrir


I don't think the flaw value of having the Bundys as neighbors is even legal. grinbig.gif

But a 2060s variant of the Bundy family would be interesting....and certainly would count.

The Fatal Attraction annoying neighbor could possibly turn 'enemy'...that one might get ugly.

I was originaly thinking one annoying as hell neighbor living next door...but a family? Might explain the smoking compulsion even more. 'Kelly' could certainly be a secrecy liability with her possibly blabbing about the constant 'parties' my character holds next door with her more than likely 2 INT...and 'Peggy' would always be trying to get in on the 'fun'...'Al' would prolly be the least annoying of the bunch. 'Bud' would be hell for my character, as he has the example 'Good Looking and Knows It' edge...so 'Bud' would always be trying to get pointers.
Eyeless Blond
Or one could go the exact opposite of the Bundys: a couple who is, *ahem*, extremely in love. As in never actually sleep. biggrin.gif

(Edit) Or, for a more "normal" Annoying Neighbor, try one of my college dorm neighbors. She was really into S&M, particularly the M side. She'd meet guys online and go off for weekends with them, then tell everyone in the hall about what she did and with who. Twice in one semester she warned everyone to keep the hallway doors locked and carefully look to see who's knocking before letting anyone in; apparently she had a few guys who were out to kill her. Neither alert lasted very long though; the first one went back to his wife and three kids on Oragon after a couple weeks; the other got arrested or something, I didn't care to find out.

Did I say "normal"? nyahnyah.gif
tisoz
Make sure to give them 5 little yapping dogs that they let out individualy for 15 minutes at a time every four hours around the clock.

(Though it has gotten better since I had a talk with the neighbor.)
Nyxll
How about an ugly neighbour that keeps bringing home the most drop dead girls and having really loud sex all the time. Picture the booger character from revenge of the nerds.


Muahahahahahaaa
pragma
Evangelism at inopportune moments is a Shadowrunner's worst nightmare, especially if the lock on your door doesn't work all that well.
ShadowDragon8685
Neighbors who are psychologically incapable of minding their own bisuess. The friggin' snoop, in other words. The one with Electronics 4, Stealth 4, and nothing better to do with her time than sneak into your home and go through your things when you're not there.
Eyeless Blond
No no no. See, you have to keep in mind that the character is a shadowrunner; make it *too* annoying, especially security-risk annoying--and he'll either move or kill the guy. We want the neighbor to be a constant nuisance, but not someone who's so bad that it's easier to just kill the guy and hide the body. smile.gif
FrostyNSO
...he happens to be the chief of police. (if you've got a high lifestyle)
ShadowDragon8685
Make the annoying neighbor a bum. Always hitting the shadowrunners up for nuyen, booze, food, booze, BTLS, and did I mention booze?
FrostyNSO
Great! Be sure to find him sleeping on their front porch in the morning every once in a while too biggrin.gif
Jrayjoker
Constant off key, loud singing.
Same inane greeting/joke every time he sees you.
Crying babies at all hours.
Bad cooking odors.
Lets the telcom ring, and ring even though he's home.
Light construction/remodeling at all hours.
'Runner fanboy.
Ex-wife.
FrostyNSO
QUOTE (Jrayjoker)
Constant off key, loud singing.
Same inane greeting/joke every time he sees you.
Crying babies at all hours.
Bad cooking odors.
Lets the telcom ring, and ring even though he's home.
Light construction/remodeling at all hours.
'Runner fanboy.
Ex-wife.

We used to have a filipino family that lived next door to us that covered the first 4 of those...especially the fourth.
hyzmarca
Deadbeat blond Toaster Shaman surfer hippie. The only person on the planet who still says "Dude".
Neighbor is a misnomer.
Although he sleeps next door and his mail is delievered to that address he spends most o f his life in the PC's home.
Always borrows things without asking and never bothers to return them. The only possession he has that is actually his own is his bong. Complains for days if the PC forgets to restock his bread supplies. The Shaman needs at least 2 loaves per day for rituals.

Actively attempts to convert any visitors to the PCs home to Toaster. Prints phamplets detailing the Seven Glories of Toaster and hands them out throughout the neighborhood. The PC has become a parriah because the other neighbors associate him with the Shaman.

Smokes a lot of Deepweed and Mary Jane. Keeps his pot supply in a 50 gallon garbage bag in the PC's closet.

Does not believe in pants. Doesn't believe in underwear either. Toaster likes Kilts worn the traditional way.
ShadowDragon8685
Make him a military otaku. (Note: The O is not capitalized.)

By this, I mean, this guy if fucking obcessed with everything mil, paramil, and otherwise related to military. He uses obscure jargon at wierd times, has bugle alarms to play Revielle, loud enough to wake the whole frigging floor, at 04:00 (he only uses military time in conversation,) and to lullaby him to sleep at 22:00. He has a very large collection of military arms in his home. Only, it's not the kind of stuff a Runner is going to hit up unless he's desperate in a bad way. He can't tell an Ares Predator from a Browning Max-Power, but he can and will talk your ears off at length about the comparitive pros and cons of the Thompson Submachinegun, the H&K MP-40, and the Sten gun, and he has examples of all of the above in his home, complete with a lathe and small lab to create ammunition for them. Which leads to odd mechanical noises at all times of the day and night, and he's always pestering the runners to go down the range with him and see how they can do without their fancy-schmancy schmartlinksh and laser sights.
Overwatch
What about some kind of media victim? Reporters and cameras peeking into and around their house 24/7. An occasional helicopter scanning the inside with thermal. On the spot interviews of the neighbors smile.gif Armies of reporters surrounding the house whenever there's a flare up. Detectives sneaking into the runners yard, just so they can peek over the fence at the neighbors. Tabloid photographers, etc. etc. etc.

The same kind of media circuses we have now, except high tech and high paced for the 2060s
fistandantilus4.0
erkel
Walknuki
Uptight Loanstar officer and his wife the ever cheery, ever nosey busy body who likes to drop by at random intervals.
lollerskates
make him a Shadowrun™ roleplayer whose favoritest thing in the whole wide world is to share his misguided tabletop exploits with his best buddy from next door.
Glyph
Wow. A thread on annoying neighbors, and no one's mentioned Ned Flanders yet? "Hi-didly-ho, neighbor!"
fistandantilus4.0
I was thinking it, but I figured he'd be killed out-right
Traks
Yes, in Shadowrun annoying persons usually get their lead breakfast.
So annoying neighbours should be rare, due to evolution theory nyahnyah.gif
lorthazar
Our luck Ned Flanders would be a Troll with a body of 11 and the spot where a force 12 free spirit has used Hidden Life. Of and did I mention he is a Christian mage. Makes one shudder thinking about it.

Actually the ultimate annoying neighbor would be an ex-Ghost who thinks the PC needs to educated once in a while.
hyzmarca
QUOTE (lorthazar)
Our luck Ned Flanders would be a Troll with a body of 11 and the spot where a force 12 free spirit has used Hidden Life. Of and did I mention he is a Christian mage. Makes one shudder thinking about it.

Actually the ultimate annoying neighbor would be an ex-Ghost who thinks the PC needs to educated once in a while.

That's true. But Homer happens to be the Annoying Neighbor in that relationship.
DrJest
A ghost. Not in the oogedy-boogedy kind of way (although that would work too), but in the "looks human till he walks through a wall" kind of way, who likes to play pranks. Think Timothy Claypole from Rentaghost
ElFenrir
whew, this thread grew. Thanks for the ideas so far. With all of these, I can prolly design a cross between Flanders-Filipino neighbors-pot smoking toaster shaman bum sex addict.

Basically, I thought this would be a not only fun flaw to play, but one that would take some work on my characters part at the times the annoying neighbor got TOO nosy and stuff. 'Hey, whatcha doin? Where ya going with that bag of stuff? Ya know when you were walking in the apartment i saw a bunch of people coming up the stairs to knock on your door, is there a party there? I told my one friend you always have parties and stuff before going out to the bar, I guess, at night....''

hermit
Hmmm. Annoying Neighbours ...

White Trash cliches always works, be it the Bundys, the Dursleys from Harry Potter, or that awful dutch Bundy rip-off family. Personally, I'd prefer the Dursleys, especially for magical/awakened/metahuman characters.

Also, what about a neighbour who attracts trouble on his own that sometimes threatens to spill over to the runner? Like, a big-mouthed (but stupid) mopbster who likes to insult Yakza and has them chase him to his home (in mob turf) frequently, one of Lone Star's usual suspects, whom they keep under constant surveillance, or maybe a serial killer whom the Feds are closing in on?

also, a nutty mage might work - someone who loves summoning, but has no gift in it, meaning there're frequently newly freed spirits roaming, from his experiments ...

A drug kitchen also could work. Or a crack hiouse, in a rough neighbourhood (or something similar in SR - a BTL junky crash pad).

Another idea would be a chapter of some radical sect - maybe a local evangelical preacher has his church next door, and nosy followers frequently show up and seek to convert the character? Or the cliche muslims who keep to themselves, and are under Fed surveillance ...

Or a simple survivalist paranoid freak who thinks the character IS the Feds keeping tabs on him, and who, in turn, tries to make "the Feds'" life as bad as possible.
Nyxll
oh I know ... someone that has just moved out of the trailer park.

His cousin lives in his car, which is parked beside yours, his fat girlfriend sits on a folding chair outside of his door smoking cigarettes all day. All of this trailer park friends come around. Most do not have teeth, and always has a drink.... he is trying to sell boothleg satalite dishes and some other get rich scheme. or I know ... someone that gets into pyramid schemes ... like amway, or something like it. There are always people going into and out of his apartment
hermit
While we're at it ... a trailer park, just that. Your average cliche trailer park full of the above mentioned people.
Glyph
Okay, taking a good serious look at the Flaw, your biggest problem will be making an annoying neighbor that the PC won't simply shoot, followed by moving to a new place. Some ideas:

* Make the neighbor one that annoys the character, but amuses the player.

* Make the neighbor occasionally useful. Like for a snoopy neighbor, they could ask "Hey, who were all of those strange guys in suits who went into your apartment last night?"

* Make the place a great location in a lot of other ways, so that the player has to weigh the annoying neighbor on the one hand, but all of the other benefits on the other hand. The player knows that if he has to move, he will probably not be able to find another place with such an optimal mix of the good characteristics.
ShadowDragon8685
Make the neighbor addicted to the 2060s version of Dance Dance Revoloution.

And he only uses techno-square dancing music. Like the Hampster Dance. smile.gif
hermit
Wouldn't that be "cacophonous neighbourhood", though? Foghorn testing plant, highway under construction, techno ... sarcastic.gif
ElFenrir
QUOTE
Okay, taking a good serious look at the Flaw, your biggest problem will be making an annoying neighbor that the PC won't simply shoot, followed by moving to a new place. Some ideas:

* Make the neighbor one that annoys the character, but amuses the player.

* Make the neighbor occasionally useful. Like for a snoopy neighbor, they could ask "Hey, who were all of those strange guys in suits who went into your apartment last night?"

* Make the place a great location in a lot of other ways, so that the player has to weigh the annoying neighbor on the one hand, but all of the other benefits on the other hand. The player knows that if he has to move, he will probably not be able to find another place with such an optimal mix of the good characteristics.


That's the one thing i have been trying to think up. Something annoying enough to count as a Flaw, but yeah, something to prevent character from just plugging them. And even the most annoying people have some usefulness....in high school we had the glut of annoying ass people that would be at our hangouts, but later on they actually ended up helping us out in odd ways. And like you said, something that amuses the players.

For a bit of background, the character I am playing is Finnish(i am doing so to actually help practice my own finnish which is barely a 'rating 3' right now, maybe will be that by end of the year), that has one middle lifestyle in his home country, and one in Seattle now...but it's a new place. Never been to the states before. So really, ANYTHING could be good gravy here. (Granted, Finland is not the least Americanized country by far, but when i moved here there WERE differences that i'm still getting used to). The Annoying Neighbor is definately gonna be American, and it's not like he can just fly back ANYTIME(he has a pilot contact that he uses to travel back and forth every couple of months, cos he does do biz there, but the team is a US based one, so it's not like he can just move to escape the neighbor. He's kind of stuck there.) If for some reason he ended up moving back...well, to keep the flaw i'd just have a new neighbor move in next door in his home country. grinbig.gif )
hermit
Haha! A bunch of rabid finnish feminists, maybe? The kind who tell women off for wearing clothes that degrade them ... who always know what's best for everyone. And menstruate together by moon phases. biggrin.gif

Anyway, I'm a bit curious ... how many years have you been in Finnland? Tried to learn Finnish once ... 16 cases ... odd grammar ... very odd words ... I gave up soon. Japanese is much more intuitive for me. A Rating 3 seems a lot, actually.
ElFenrir
I've lived here about a year(well, 11.5 months). I am more like a rating 2.3 in finnish. MAYBE a 3 by years end if I keep learing at this fast rate. The only thing I have a 3 in is the swear words.

Oh, yeah, the cases suck big time...but luckily, to be 'fluent', you only really need to learn about 8 of them. I know 4 right now, going on 5. But i'm trying to build up my vocab. It really is a horrible moon language and anyone in SR that wanted their char to learn it I'd give it a higher TN than Swedish biggrin.gif

The rabid Finnish femisists would be funny for the Helsinki place, but my character is male...so this might actually be TOO bad, hehe! For an annoying Finnish neighbor I'd go with the 'constantly drunk person that doesn't know when to shut up...and tends to blab things they shouldn't when drunk'. grinbig.gif

I'm a female, but a tomboyish one. One nice thing here is the virtual lack of gender discrimitation. I can wear my camo and heavy metal shirts and drink with anyone else, and no one cares. rotate.gif

ShadowDragon8685
Probably because if anyone DOES try any gender discrimination, they know you'll whip out your Ares Predator and communicate your displeasure in the universal language; violence.

Or do you mean IRL?
SpasticTeapot
I'd just use a generic Homer Simpson archetype. Make him a lazy troll with no motivation. For example, the PC's might catch him up on the roof of their house at 4 A.M. trying to steal their weathervane, or "borrowing" items such as their gas grill for six months at a stretch. Also, give him at least two kids: One with a tendency to blow things up and attract the cops; another, more perceptive kid who can warn them about potential threats, but may need to be paid off in some form to keep her from blabbing to the rest of her family. (Ooh! A pony!)
ElFenrir
Oh, i mean IRL with the discrimination. I havn't whipped out any Predators lately.

Hehe....yeah, I guess when all else fails, The Simpsons. Or I just might go ahead and blend the Simpsons, The Flanders, and The Bundys all together in one(the lazy father, the dumb sister who can't shut up, the religious wife, the son who blows stuff up...)

The possibilities are endless. But the Bundys or the Simpsons seem to be the best bet...I like the sister, (buy me a pony!) or the brother who 'comes across' a quarter kilo of C4 which he promptly uses to blow up his principal's desk, or my character's mailbox. Of course, since Homer is completely brainless(maybe he works as Safety Inspector for some no name Z grade corp...then this might lead to a run in with 'Mr. Burns' the skinflint Johnson and his 'Questionable' bodyguard), he of course would blab stuff. And heaven help my guy if 'Bart' ever got into his house for some reason....


nezumi
Why does this make me think of Voltaire's "The Man Upstairs"?

The evangelical Christian would be cute, but would get boring quick. Plus, he'd likely get shot when he suspects you're involved in something quasi-legal and calls the Upright Citizens Brigade.

The pot smoking college students involved in a never-ending frat party would be interesting. Loud music at 2am. One day you find a monkey running down the stairs. You regularly catch people necking outside of your room. College pranks. On the good side, when the Star comes a knocking for whatever it is you recently did, they'll provide an excellent distraction, and they probably think what you do is pretty cool. Plus you might get some action wink.gif

Or you could go with the crazy man. Vacuums at 4am. Regularly blows the fuses in the building because he thinks the devil is coming through the power lines. Evangelizes a made up religion. Periodically sets himself on fire. Good source for black-market meds, since he has a dozen prescriptions he doesn't take. Plenty of conspiracy theories. Something fun and whacky.
hermit
QUOTE
The rabid Finnish femisists would be funny for the Helsinki place, but my character is male...so this might actually be TOO bad, hehe!

Welll ... it takes 'annoying' to a whole new level! biggrin.gif

QUOTE
I'm a female, but a tomboyish one. One nice thing here is the virtual lack of gender discrimitation. I can wear my camo and heavy metal shirts and drink with anyone else, and no one cares.

I'm still curious ... where're you from? I think that can be said of most of central and northwestern Europe ...

Anyway, another idea: BDSM couple + thin walls. And it's niot like they care aboput being heard. Quite on the countrary. If you feel that's not enough, add in another nosy religious single woman (type concerned citizen) who constantly wants your character to gang up on said couple with her (and convert to TrueFaith ™).

My own character's lifestyle has cacophonous neighbourhood ... as in heavy metal band living and practicing next door, bad insulation, and they don't give a damn ...
Nyxll
a simple way discourage players from killing, Mr annoying, his brother or sister is on a Lone Star HRT or some other suit.

Or maybe someone like Leo Gets, who is in a protection program.

If you kill him, you have instant unwanted attention.
Angelone
A troll version of Mr. Garrison. Maybe make Mr. Slave an ork. You have BDSM, they are really annoying, and you could have truely bizarre things happen because they're just like that.
Jrayjoker
QUOTE (Nyxll)
Or maybe someone like Leo Gets, who is in a protection program.

If you kill him, you have instant unwanted attention.

Oooooo, that is goooooood.
ElFenrir
I'm originally from Philadelphia, but i'm a heavy metal journalist and this is where the music is. biggrin.gif According to my Yankee friends that i speak to on the phone with I have a Finnish accent now.

The BDSM couple I actually thought about, hehe. Cacophonous neighborhood wouldn't bother my char too much, cos he lkes to listen to rock and metal music himself.

But that college thing is actually pretty brilliant...hmmm....damn, too many good ideas here now!!

Mr. Garrison...oh dear....another can of worms was just opened. I can imagine 'Mrs. Cartman' and her fat, loudmouthed son...
hyzmarca
Harry Potter Shaman. Studies the works of JK Rowling devotly and does magic the Hairy Potter way. Has all of the approperiate fetishes and geasa. Volluntary incantion and gesture Geasa on everything. Most spells fetish limited with a wand fetish. Levitation with a broom fetish. Actually plays Quitich with out Hairy Potter Shamen.

Unfortunatly, due to the massive information loss that accompanied The Crash, the Potter Shaman's believe that all of the Slash fanfics and images out there are completely canon.

Thus the Hairy Potter Shaman tries to involve the PC in a wierd brand of tantric sex magic at every opportunity.
hermit
QUOTE
Mr. Garrison...oh dear....another can of worms was just opened. I can imagine 'Mrs. Cartman' and her fat, loudmouthed son...

Oh ... damn ... and I didn't have that idea. Brain's cooked. Damn heat wave. >_<

QUOTE
I'm originally from Philadelphia, but i'm a heavy metal journalist and this is where the music is.

Yup, I perfectly agree. Hey, since you're a music journalist and all ... any new bands to recommend? grinbig.gif

QUOTE

But that college thing is actually pretty brilliant...hmmm....damn, too many good ideas here now!!

Go for it. It's the single best idea. At least if US fraternities are anything like German ones. I shudder to think what I heared about them ... the drinking ... *what* they have sex with when totally pissed ... ._.
nezumi
Actually, you could say the person is a mage who follows the late 19th century Esoteric Order of the Golden Dawn, with special attention paid to Crowley's sex trantrics. THEN you throw in the ultra-evangelistic Ork soccer-mom-wannabe next door, who's trying to start a crusade.

How's that for a scene while your group is planning a run.

*BANG BANG BANG* "Stop that foul abomination! You sin in the eyes of God! He sees you! HE SEES YOU!"

"Alsi ku nushi ilani mushiti! Itti kunu alsi mushitum kallatum kuttumtum"

"Ooooooh!! Oooooh!!! Not the knife! OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH!!!"

*BANG BANG BANG BANG* "OUR FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN!"

"Oh lord Pan! Oh great Apollo in the bridal dress! Come to me!"

"Baaa! Baaa!"



Although I suspect you'd never actually get to the run part. Hmm... Maybe not such a good idea.
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