Ok. Now that the SR4 pdf is out I think its about time we start having some SR4 games around here.
First up, I'd like to do something quick and simple to test/familiarize people with the combat of SR4. For that purpose I have converted the Food Fight! scenario from the First Run adventure book. For those of you who aren't familiar with Food Fight!, it is basically like a random encounter. After a night of doing whatever, the group of shadowrunners stop at a Stuffer Shack to get some munchies. Unfortunately, a group of gangers have decided to rob the place at the same time. As the guns start blazing, food goes flying as various packages are shredded in the hail of bullets.
I want to make sure this runs quickly since it is just for familiarization purposes, so please only speak up if you are serious about playing and posting a minimum of once per day.
To get started I just need character concepts from people. Just a few sentences will be enough, though I will accept more lengthy ones if you like. Once I have selected from those concepts, there will be time allotted for chargen using the standard 400 build points, with assistance via post or pm as needed.
Also, while we run through the Food Fight! scenario, I will be looking at the characters' backgrounds and designing more of a true adventure around one or more details within them to follow this up with.
Full Version: Recruitment: SR4-First Run
I'm interested but I don't have the SR4 book yet, is it necessary?
Same here. I've played Food fight before but I don't remember anyways. How did you get sr4 ???
Hmm...depending on what I see of SR4 when I go to Dragon*Con this weekend, I might be interested.
If you were wanting to do anything complicated with chargen it would take a little bit more work without an SR4 book, but if you're willing to try it, I am willing to help. Alternatively, you can use one of the sample characters from the book and foregoe chargen. Just give me a simple concept and i'll provide you the sample character's stats.
As far as the actual gameplay goes, especially early on, its going to be more about learning the rules. So not having a book yourself won't be a problem.
Food Fight is a simple scenario and if you've played it before it's fine. It is just something quick and easy to throw at you to jump right into the combat mechanics of SR4.
As far as the actual gameplay goes, especially early on, its going to be more about learning the rules. So not having a book yourself won't be a problem.
Food Fight is a simple scenario and if you've played it before it's fine. It is just something quick and easy to throw at you to jump right into the combat mechanics of SR4.
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I have friends with the free time and money to go to GenCon. I even have an LE copy of it. And I just bought the .pdf today to have easy access to it at work.
This sounds good.
There has to be some kind of street shaman I could try. Alternatively I would also like to try some kind of physical adept specialized in close combat. I don't really mind since it's a short testing game.
Edit: How much is it and where did you get the pdf?
There has to be some kind of street shaman I could try. Alternatively I would also like to try some kind of physical adept specialized in close combat. I don't really mind since it's a short testing game.
Edit: How much is it and where did you get the pdf?
its $25 for the PDF, you can pick it up at the battlecorps website.
I am interested in doing Food Fight too, I think a Gun Bunny ex-ganger girl would be simple enough to get my feet wet in the new edition, if that would be ok.
I am interested in doing Food Fight too, I think a Gun Bunny ex-ganger girl would be simple enough to get my feet wet in the new edition, if that would be ok.
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| This sounds good. There has to be some kind of street shaman I could try. Alternatively I would also like to try some kind of physical adept specialized in close combat. I don't really mind since it's a short testing game. |
If you are wanting to use one of the samples in the book, there is a Troll Street Shaman of the Rat. The only sample adept is a gunslinger adept. But as I said, I am perfectly willing to help people who don't have the book create characters.
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| I think a Gun Bunny ex-ganger girl would be simple enough to get my feet wet in the new edition, if that would be ok. |
Sounds good.
*sigh* Well...I'm a doomsayer when it comes to SR4, but I want to see what it's like, so this does sound interesting.
Problem is, I don't have the book, nor do I have the money to buy the book and create a character/look up the rules. I could go with a sample guy from the book, but what about knowing the rules?
Problem is, I don't have the book, nor do I have the money to buy the book and create a character/look up the rules. I could go with a sample guy from the book, but what about knowing the rules?
A lot of what you'd need to know has already been revealed in the SR4 forum. The info there should be enough to give you a good grasp of the mechanics involved.
That being said, I am interested in this myself, although I am not too sure about my availability at the moment. If I can work something out, I'd like to try running an Hermetic mage.
That being said, I am interested in this myself, although I am not too sure about my availability at the moment. If I can work something out, I'd like to try running an Hermetic mage.
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| Problem is, I don't have the book, nor do I have the money to buy the book and create a character/look up the rules. I could go with a sample guy from the book, but what about knowing the rules? |
As Fortune has said most of the rules you will need to know have already been reveal in the SR4 Forum and anything that hasn't been explained I can give you the details of.
For the most part you can still do the same things you could do in SR3. So you can describe what you want to do and I'll tell you what you need to roll and why. I am trying to have this game be a trainer for SR4 both for the players and myself and that will already necessitate a lot of discussion of the rules.
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| That being said, I am interested in this myself, although I am not too sure about my availability at the moment. |
Fortune, I would prefer this game to stay active and as fast paced as an introduction to a new game can be. So I am primarily looking for people that can post often and regularly.
Looks like I'm on board then, I'll be available most every day usually good for several posts a day.
Character concept:
Human magician adept, ex-Lone Star patrol officer turned bounty hunter. He got booted out of Lone Star for sleeping with his Captain's wife and then in the fight that ensued when caught by said Captain he killed the man in self defense. He was actually charged with a crime but the matter was dismissed. He got booted from Lone Star and has at least one Enemy in Lone Star who'd like nothing better than to get even. He is a bright kid, somewhat impulsive and cocky but generally a decent person.
Character concept:
Human magician adept, ex-Lone Star patrol officer turned bounty hunter. He got booted out of Lone Star for sleeping with his Captain's wife and then in the fight that ensued when caught by said Captain he killed the man in self defense. He was actually charged with a crime but the matter was dismissed. He got booted from Lone Star and has at least one Enemy in Lone Star who'd like nothing better than to get even. He is a bright kid, somewhat impulsive and cocky but generally a decent person.
Sounds good Cedric.
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| Fortune, I would prefer this game to stay active and as fast paced as an introduction to a new game can be. So I am primarily looking for people that can post often and regularly. |
I understand that, which is why I mentioned my unknown availability status right off the bat.
Normally I am always available (ask anyone ... outside of Dumpshock I have no life!), but in the last couple of months I have been experiencing access problems. I am hoping that I have things worked out as of now, but won't know for sure for another week or so.
In any case, even if I am not actively involved, I will still definitely be monitoring the game. Good luck.
In that case Fortune, feel free to submit a brief concept for that hermetic mage. The first week or two will be slow anyways with chargen and just starting out.
I'd like to try a hacker, as that seems to be one of the biggest changes. *hopes to be able to find a SR4 book at the Con* Also as I'm off to the Con, means I won't be around to work on a char until Monday evening/Tuesday afternoon.
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| A lot of what you'd need to know has already been revealed in the SR4 forum. The info there should be enough to give you a good grasp of the mechanics involved. That being said, I am interested in this myself, although I am not too sure about my availability at the moment. If I can work something out, I'd like to try running an Hermetic mage. |
Oh god...I don't know if I have time to read through all of that. Doesn't that stuff take up like five topics?
Talia Invierno did a pretty good summary.
There are of course other threads for Magic, Combat & Gear, and Hacking and Rigging (just to name a few big ones).
There are of course other threads for Magic, Combat & Gear, and Hacking and Rigging (just to name a few big ones).
Hey count me in...If there is still places left. I haven't got the book or the slightest idea on the rules - I will be doing some reading to check out the twists and turns of the new ruleset tho...If you don't mind doing some handholding while I make the character and throughout the game...I can post once per day no probs there...I also haven't ran the scenario so I go t no clue on what happens there (besides what you revealed in your first post).
Characterwise I will go for something along the lines of the Troll Ganger style. A troll ex-ganger turned vindicator. Not much chrome on him besides the stuff he needs to stay alive on the street. He found out that he had more of an ethics code than what your average street ganger group required and dished them to adopt a more of a friendly-neighborhood street sammie(without the chiba stuff)/vindicator type. He's got a street doc buddy who's managed to get him the average chrome he wears with pride and he probably got some ex-ganger contacts who mostly think him a coward, a traitor, a mark for punishment or d.All of the above...
How's that?
Characterwise I will go for something along the lines of the Troll Ganger style. A troll ex-ganger turned vindicator. Not much chrome on him besides the stuff he needs to stay alive on the street. He found out that he had more of an ethics code than what your average street ganger group required and dished them to adopt a more of a friendly-neighborhood street sammie(without the chiba stuff)/vindicator type. He's got a street doc buddy who's managed to get him the average chrome he wears with pride and he probably got some ex-ganger contacts who mostly think him a coward, a traitor, a mark for punishment or d.All of the above...
How's that?
Sounds good netlich.
As far as the book thing goes, it looks like that most people won't have the book so its not a problem. There be a bit more "handholding" than I was first expecting, but what the hell, why not? This is more a learning exercise than anything else.
Since there are going to be several people needing help with chargen, I think we'll do it all (or at least most) within the forum, so I don't have to say the same thing over and over again to different people.
As far as the book thing goes, it looks like that most people won't have the book so its not a problem. There be a bit more "handholding" than I was first expecting, but what the hell, why not? This is more a learning exercise than anything else.
Since there are going to be several people needing help with chargen, I think we'll do it all (or at least most) within the forum, so I don't have to say the same thing over and over again to different people.
Hmm...thinking perhaps of a char that was an accomplished decker, who was out with severe dumpshock around the time of the Crash. She woke up, only to find the world as she had known it had changed beyond recognition. Now, instead of almost being ready to retire, she's had to spend her savings simply to play catch up with the rest of the field.
"Humour me if you don' t mind kind Slacker"...that really sounds wierd.... 
anyway; you keep referring to "chargen". Are you guys talking about character generation as a process or a specific utility like the ones out there for SR character generation (and if so which one) ?
Thanks,
Stef
anyway; you keep referring to "chargen". Are you guys talking about character generation as a process or a specific utility like the ones out there for SR character generation (and if so which one) ?
Thanks,
Stef
just the general process of making characters. Don't think McMackie has gotten around to making a generator for SR4 yet. *hopes he gets around to it eventually*
I am just talking about it as a process. Its just easier to abbreiviate it as chargen and spell out Character Generation. If you couldn't tell by my name, I tend to take the easy route in most things.
And Whizbang, that sounds like a good character concept.
And Whizbang, that sounds like a good character concept.
Okay all of you people who actually have the time and money to hunt down one of the SR4 books, a question.
Does the Edge/Quality for Innate Magical Talent still exist? The one I'm looking for is Astral perceptions. If it does how much does it cost.
I've ready to put together a character sheet and so I'm chasing through the various posts on SR4 rules but I didn't see that answer anywhere.
Does the Edge/Quality for Innate Magical Talent still exist? The one I'm looking for is Astral perceptions. If it does how much does it cost.
I've ready to put together a character sheet and so I'm chasing through the various posts on SR4 rules but I didn't see that answer anywhere.
To get Perception, you'd need to either buy Magician and get it along with 1 point of magic, or Adept and take the power.
Those are the two ways generally accepted but there was a Edge, Innate Magical Talent, the cost of which varied based upon what the innate magical talent was, and one of those was Astral Vision.
The character can see the astral through astral perceptions.
In my Companions book, SR2, it cost three points. I wanted to know if that had made it all the way into the new SR4 version or not.
The character can see the astral through astral perceptions.
In my Companions book, SR2, it cost three points. I wanted to know if that had made it all the way into the new SR4 version or not.
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| Those are the two ways generally accepted but there was a Edge, Innate Magical Talent, the cost of which varied based upon what the innate magical talent was, and one of those was Astral Vision. The character can see the astral through astral perceptions. In my Companions book, SR2, it cost three points. I wanted to know if that had made it all the way into the new SR4 version or not. |
As Shalimar said, the only way to get Astral Perception is to buy the Magician Quality, or the Adept or Mystic Adept Quality and geting the Astral Perception power.
There is no Innate Magical Talent quality in SR4. At least not yet, they may add it in the Magic book, but that is neither here nor there.
Slacker, here is the character concept, in my next post I'll throw up the character stats themselves. If I did something wrong in the stats, let me know. I am kind of surprised how high her pistol's skill got without maxing out agility or buying aptitude/pistols 7. Its in the range of:
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= 6(Pistols) +2 (Semi-Automatics Spec) +5(9) (agility) + 2 Smartlink
It can even get 3 dice higher (2 more in agilit, 1 more in pistols) thats rather uh, a lot.
Anyway, History:
Tempty Windsong
Tempty was the average Seattle slum girl, she grew up a part of the neighborhood gang, the Golden Angels, and she had a gun in her hand from about the time she started to...um... develop, simply for protection, and later because her skill with it earned her a rep in the gang, and on the streets. At the time there was a businessman named Garland Greene that happened to own a dive in the Golden Angel's territory, and he contracted the gang to provide muscle to keep the place running smoothly. It got the gang money as well as free food and a place to hang out in out of the heat. It also ultimately led to the gangs destruction. A few other gangs in the area wanted in on the action as Greene's business was doing so well that he was expanding into a nightclub in a better part of town. The Rats and the Sharks merged, and between them killed the vast majority of the Angels, leaving only a few badly injured ex-angels.
Tempty who had been with Garland in his night club as his date/escort only caught the tail end of it, and it was more then enough, she barely got away with multiple injuries. Garland's legitimate business was only a sideline for his fixing, and he was easily able to get a street doc for her wounds, as well as slipping in a number of upgrades since she was already on the table. Tempty was no stranger to implants, she had gotten them as she could save up, but these she got all in one shot off the money that Garland owed the Angel's, and some money out of his own pocket besides. After her recovery she pursued her on again off again romance with Garland, as well as finding a place on a shadowteam at his recommendations. Its been almost a year in the shadows since then.
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= 6(Pistols) +2 (Semi-Automatics Spec) +5(9) (agility) + 2 SmartlinkIt can even get 3 dice higher (2 more in agilit, 1 more in pistols) thats rather uh, a lot.
Anyway, History:
Tempty Windsong
Tempty was the average Seattle slum girl, she grew up a part of the neighborhood gang, the Golden Angels, and she had a gun in her hand from about the time she started to...um... develop, simply for protection, and later because her skill with it earned her a rep in the gang, and on the streets. At the time there was a businessman named Garland Greene that happened to own a dive in the Golden Angel's territory, and he contracted the gang to provide muscle to keep the place running smoothly. It got the gang money as well as free food and a place to hang out in out of the heat. It also ultimately led to the gangs destruction. A few other gangs in the area wanted in on the action as Greene's business was doing so well that he was expanding into a nightclub in a better part of town. The Rats and the Sharks merged, and between them killed the vast majority of the Angels, leaving only a few badly injured ex-angels.
Tempty who had been with Garland in his night club as his date/escort only caught the tail end of it, and it was more then enough, she barely got away with multiple injuries. Garland's legitimate business was only a sideline for his fixing, and he was easily able to get a street doc for her wounds, as well as slipping in a number of upgrades since she was already on the table. Tempty was no stranger to implants, she had gotten them as she could save up, but these she got all in one shot off the money that Garland owed the Angel's, and some money out of his own pocket besides. After her recovery she pursued her on again off again romance with Garland, as well as finding a place on a shadowteam at his recommendations. Its been almost a year in the shadows since then.
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That does sound rather high, but i don't see anything that shouts out error about it. I mean you are supposed to be a gunbunny. Though, i am at work right now and can't look at the character in detail just yet.
I'll double-check it this evening. The background sounds good.
I'll double-check it this evening. The background sounds good.
Ok well I think I'll give a try to the new system with a really basic idea of a physical adept. I will likely need some help with working out the points and everything but I'll try from what I can find.
This very basic as I said before, but I think it would be fun to try.
BTW, please use spoiler tags. Type [ spoiler] (without the space) and [/spoiler] to save space and keep the thread readable.
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This very basic as I said before, but I think it would be fun to try.
BTW, please use spoiler tags. Type [ spoiler] (without the space) and [/spoiler] to save space and keep the thread readable.
Sounds good gobogen.
For easy access, here is the Chargen Summary Talia's done. Just post anything you have specific questions about.
For easy access, here is the Chargen Summary Talia's done. Just post anything you have specific questions about.
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You still have open spots? I just got the PDF version of SR4 (got the paper one preordered) and I'm browsing tru. I could probably have a character sheet all done by saturday afternoon.
Shalimar:
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, but you've spent 181425 (this effects the number of dice you rolled for starting cash so that will need to be redone)
I'm gonna print the summary out and try to make sense of the rules.
Mistere Juan, there is still an open call for brief concepts going on. So feel free to post one whenever.
I'll probably be closing the open call Monday or Tuesday. And making final selection then we'll start working through character generation for those without the book.
Currently I have concepts of:
Shalimar's gun-bunny
Gobogen's physical adept
Whizbang's hacker
netlich's Troll Ganger
Cydric's Mystic Adept
HMHVV and Fortune have expressed interest, but I haven't seen a concept yet.
I'm willing to have a large group of players for this, but I'll probably be narrowing it down to 6 or 7 players in the end. The sooner I get concepts the more likely you are to get one of the final slots.
I'll probably be closing the open call Monday or Tuesday. And making final selection then we'll start working through character generation for those without the book.
Currently I have concepts of:
Shalimar's gun-bunny
Gobogen's physical adept
Whizbang's hacker
netlich's Troll Ganger
Cydric's Mystic Adept
HMHVV and Fortune have expressed interest, but I haven't seen a concept yet.
I'm willing to have a large group of players for this, but I'll probably be narrowing it down to 6 or 7 players in the end. The sooner I get concepts the more likely you are to get one of the final slots.
Sorry about the errors, my PDF is rather finnicky, too much for my processor, it makes going through it a bit tough, and very time consuming as it slows up every page or so. I really loath Adobe, handhelds are much less choppy then pcs for reading PDFs, its rather surprising. I'm getting it printed up tomorrow, so it shouldn't be too bad to deal with until then.
As far as the datajack, oops, I misread the commlink entry, I read the 2 as being what it could accept, and not how big it would be going into something else. My bad. Essence will be 1.1 then.
Muscle Aug and Toner, drop to 2
Drop the vision Enhancement to 2 to bring it down to the 12 capacity total.
I just went back through everything and redid the errors, I ended up with quite a bit of extra cash, so I converted it back to BP. Droped the close-combat group in favor of Blades 2, freeing up 12 BP. With the 8 BP from losing 40k, that made 20BP. I bought Quick Healer, and Aptitude Pistols(didn't up my pistols to 7 though, the idea being she could be the best, but she isn't quite yet)
As far as the datajack, oops, I misread the commlink entry, I read the 2 as being what it could accept, and not how big it would be going into something else. My bad. Essence will be 1.1 then.
Muscle Aug and Toner, drop to 2
Drop the vision Enhancement to 2 to bring it down to the 12 capacity total.
I just went back through everything and redid the errors, I ended up with quite a bit of extra cash, so I converted it back to BP. Droped the close-combat group in favor of Blades 2, freeing up 12 BP. With the 8 BP from losing 40k, that made 20BP. I bought Quick Healer, and Aptitude Pistols(didn't up my pistols to 7 though, the idea being she could be the best, but she isn't quite yet)
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I would love to give this a shot if you still have room. Really want to get a chance to see these rules in practice, even if it's PbP... Which, I should add, I've never done before (PbP that is). So if you wold prefer people who have experience with that, that's cool and I'll just watch. Otherwise, if you have room, well, every good team needs a Face right?
Winter
P.S. -- Here's a character concept I kind of rushed together, stats to come later if you like it.
Winter
P.S. -- Here's a character concept I kind of rushed together, stats to come later if you like it.
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Looks good Shalimar. Though, could you use spoiler tags instead of Code tags on the character sheet (in case you don't know how, just edit the posts and switch out the word CODE for Spoiler before and after the character sheet). It makes it easier for people to skim down the forum page. By the way, my assumption is that the second Predator IV pistol is just as backup, since you don't have the ambidextrous quality and smartlink doesn't apply to firing two weapons.
Wintermancer, its no problem that you don't have experience with PbP games and that concept looks good.
Right now we are in an open call stage of PbP games, looking for interested players. Currently I've gotten 7 concepts (including yours) and 3 others have expressed interest. I'm planning to let it set over the weekend and stop accepting concepts Monday or Tuesday. At which point I will select the 6 or 7 players that I want to keep. Then there will be a period of time spent on character generation (mostly for those without the book). Then we can get into actually playing the game.
Wintermancer, its no problem that you don't have experience with PbP games and that concept looks good.
Right now we are in an open call stage of PbP games, looking for interested players. Currently I've gotten 7 concepts (including yours) and 3 others have expressed interest. I'm planning to let it set over the weekend and stop accepting concepts Monday or Tuesday. At which point I will select the 6 or 7 players that I want to keep. Then there will be a period of time spent on character generation (mostly for those without the book). Then we can get into actually playing the game.
Slacker, do you want the character sheets now or is it okay to wait till you've made the cut next week?
You can go ahead and make a character sheet now if you would like, but it is not required. Since I haven't decided on who will be in the group just yet, you may want to wait until after final selection, though.
| QUOTE (Slacker @ Sep 2 2005, 07:55 AM) |
| Looks good Shalimar. Though, could you use spoiler tags instead of Code tags on the character sheet (in case you don't know how, just edit the posts and switch out the word CODE for Spoiler before and after the character sheet). It makes it easier for people to skim down the forum page. By the way, my assumption is that the second Predator IV pistol is just as backup, since you don't have the ambidextrous quality and smartlink doesn't apply to firing two weapons. |
Yea, just a back up, you never know when the first might break and you need another in a hurry.
Edit: Yes, bought the bike with no skill in Drive, 0 Drive is suppoused to represent the average person, able to get from point A to Point B, but not very capable of handling hazards that crop up. Between that and Auto, it should be fine as a mode of transportarion.
Con Report, Day 1: Unable to locate SR4...did find Fields of Fire, Cybertechnology, and Shadowtech, though. Went to a fun concert as well.
Alright, concept...
I'd like to play an action-type character. An adept gunslinger, real smart-ass. Someone that could be played by Jason Statham in a movie.
I haven't been able to find a printer to print out almost 30 pages of rules, so if I do get chosen, I'll probably have to work with the GM directly to create this guy, since I don't have the book.
I'd like to play an action-type character. An adept gunslinger, real smart-ass. Someone that could be played by Jason Statham in a movie.
I haven't been able to find a printer to print out almost 30 pages of rules, so if I do get chosen, I'll probably have to work with the GM directly to create this guy, since I don't have the book.
Is there space left for this?
I was thinking maybe a mage
I was thinking maybe a mage
Con Report, Day 2: Had a great time playing SR3 today. There was much blowing up of stuff, and I survived it all.
Hopefully I will be able to elbow into the SR4 preview tommorrow, in which I might be able to get my character together.
If I've seen any other dumpshockers, they haven't made themselves known.
Hopefully I will be able to elbow into the SR4 preview tommorrow, in which I might be able to get my character together.
If I've seen any other dumpshockers, they haven't made themselves known.
Ok, stats completed.
EDIT: Fixed calculation error in Knowledge Skills below.
EDIT: See first spoiler for adjustments.
EDIT: Fixed calculation error in Knowledge Skills below.
EDIT: See first spoiler for adjustments.
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HMHVV Hunter
Nikoli
Currently I have 10 interested players. At most I am going to take 6 or 7. So, yes you can still post a concept. But not everybody will be selected
Wintermancer
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Nikoli
Currently I have 10 interested players. At most I am going to take 6 or 7. So, yes you can still post a concept. But not everybody will be selected
Wintermancer
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Well, it's a matter of not being able to get to a printer to print them out and read them at my leisure. I've skimmed through it, but that's not enough to get a full understanding of things.
Let's set aside a time to talk over AIM or something to create this guy. Is there any particular day you're free to do that? Just tell me which day you want, and I'll tell you my work schedule for that day.
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