Classic and old-school? God, kids these days...

In SR - my IRL-knowlegde of weeapons goes towards 0.

In 2060/70, i'm an old sucker.

IIRC, the Ingram Smartgun IS the Mac10, just with more gadgets.

Personally, I would go with a tricked-out B&T MP9, foregrip taclight, red dot (Or smartlink 2, depending on RL or SR) and a suppressor. ooh, and a brass collector. In 10MM Auto.

either that or the P90 if I'm facing peeps with body armor.

SR, RL, what's the difference?

I had always figured on the Ingram Warrior-10 being more like the MAC-10. I think in the case of the MAC-10, the gear makes the gun. You add stuff to the MAC-10 to jazz it up and it's no longer a MAC-10, the cheap-ass piece of crap we know and love.

Should we start calling you Roland?

Well, I want to be the best.

I'll cut right to chase. Don't take this the wrong way, but almost none of what you said has anything to do with reality.

Why don't you correct him and enlighten us all instead of insulting him and begging forgiveness?

I for one would like to know if the P90 problem he talks about is true.

I believe this line refers to the Called Shot rules, where people seem to think a called shot negates armor and boosts the damage level. This issue has been beaten to death, but I believe the final verdict was no sane GM would let his players used called shot to avoid armor using a standard gun, and nothing in the rules indicates that this should be the case.

To make this point absolutely clear, there is no modern firearm, regardless of whether it fires from an open or a closed bolt, or in what position its bolt is at any given moment, that can have cartridges bumped out of the magazines and then dropped right out of the weapon -- unless by "bumping" you mean "hitting repeatedly with a sledgehammer".

Further, the position of the bolt in the moment the weapon fires or at any given moment has no bearing on the proper and reliable functioning of the magazine or other feed device on conventional firearms.

There may be a problem with the magazines of the P90, however, relating to the spinning feed disc located on the end of it (which is required because the cartridges are kept at 90 degrees sideways). The way I understand it is that, especially with a magazine that isn't full, the disc can get stuck and the cartridges can block the magazines by getting stuck near/on the disc at odd angles. The cartridges will not come dropping out of the magazines, certainly not when the damn thing is actually placed on the weapon. And it's obviously not that serious a flaw, since the weapon sees a significant amount of use by LEOs and militaries.

When people spew crap with little to nothing to do with reality, it's often most effective to enlighten all readers by stating as clearly as possible that the thing that was just spewed was indeed crap.

Absolutely Correct.

Never encountered that flaw personally, but have heard of it. One disadvantage for me regarding the P90 was the configuration of the magazine itself, which makes a quick tactical or even emergency reload take longer than with a "standard" firearm. Yay for high capacity

In case you didn't know, it's only the original M1921 Thompsons that have a cyclic RoF around 1000rpm. The later models, the M1928(A1) and M1(A1), hover around 700rpm-800rpm, which is pretty average for SMGs (the standard Uzi stands at 600rpm, the MP5 at 800rpm).

The Uzi is pretty heavy, at 3.7kg vs. 4.7-4.9kg for a Thompson, or ~2.5-2.6kg for the retractable-stock MP5s, and not exactly easy to hide under a jacket.

And I won't hold you to it, 'cause it's the Glock 18. Although you could install an FSSG on any Glock.

Several European HRTs would be about right. In large enough numbers that FrostyNSO here got to use one.

I'd love to know where, exactly, that was.

Any magazine can lose round or two when dropped, especially when full...shit happens. If you've dropped your magazine on the ground, your problems are greater than the two rounds that popped out

AFAIK, the 5.7x28mm is not truly based on any earlier cartridge. Neither the case shoulder diameter of 0.309" nor the rebated rim of 0.305" seem to be shared with any other commonly used cartridge. Without changing a lot of parts, the biggest projectile diameter you're going to get is around 0.28".

That was a full size UZI with the bayonet. I think is make sense if your using them for close-quarters stuff like house to house room clearing, melee might come into play. Still, those Israelis are crazy bastards...I like it!

IIRC there was a period when the Israelis equipped some infantry units with Uzis as primary weapons in lieu of (unavailable) assault rifles so the bayonet thing kind of sort of makes sense.

Could be wrong about that, though...

Especially if said magazine is for the M-16, and you're on the qualifying range.

Then it spits rounds up like a squeezed baby.

Good answer, Sam.

But if I had a choice and the ammunition was plentiful... I'd probably go with a suppressed 9" full-auto AR15 in .300 Whisper (Bushmaster Carbon-15 receivers (flat top upper); in SR that would be an M23C according to moi), and pack mostly subsonic 240 grain Sierra Matchkings, with a couple mags of "oh shit" supersonic loads using 127 grain M993 AP bullets in case things go horribly awry.

But that's only if I had to use an SMG. If the environment permits, I'd probably go with a suppressed SA58 Para Congo. M993 if body armor is an issue, Hornady TAP 110 otherwise.