It's not trying to be HALO. Really it's trying to be what HALO isn't - multiplayer focused. Halo has a big single-player component (yeah-yeah, I know, HALO has MP too, but gazillion in sales are driven by folks who never touch Live and just play the story).

Shadowrun doesn't have a story - it's strictly multiplayer.

I'm sure Shadowrun wants Halo success, though. And I hope they have it. So they can get on with an RPG.

Huh. Everyone I have talked to (though Ill freely admit thats not a large number of people) has raved on abut the split screen, not the live multiplayer.

And if for some reason they want to make this a multi player only game, I should point MS in the direction of Starseige: Tribes. Cool idea, but with NO single player, it was a poor sell. Its been tried, but its very hard to sell a game on the multi-player only concept. Even Battlefield is single player.

I just saw this in person, 4v4 multiplayer and none of it was split-screen.

Personally I hate splitscreen and am really excited about the PC/xbox interface through Live Anywhere because that means I can play SR with my sweetie!


I totally agree about the no-single-player though. I'm excited about the game, but it seems a little thin for a full title. I really hope that's reflected in the price... but I doubt it will be.

That's just dumb. If it hadn't been for the SNES and Genesis games way back when, I probably never would have gotten into SR. If they do it right, then a lot of new players will see how cool the SR universe can be, and that will draw them in.

Unfortunately, I don't think they could have possibly come up with a way to do it more wrong. It's actually rather astounding that they could screw it up this badly. They've pretty much removed all traces of Shadowrun, save the pointy ears and the name.

You just have to watch out for the unpredictable stupidity of a teammate with a grenade.

You're cutting them way too much slack. There are at the very least dozens of ways they could have created a compelling FPS, even squad-based FPS without disregarding all that makes Shadowrun what it is. In fact there have been some very detailed game design ideas posted or linked to on the official SR PC/XBox game forums. Any of them would have been about a 1000% improvement over what they have now. Any of them I could see SR fans embracing. Yes, some will always grumble, but they also grumble about things like the console games, which most SR fans loved, and which created a lot of new SR fans (myself included).

As for them running out of timeline, etc. What are you thinking? They'll produce a game, what? Every 2 to 4 years maybe? How much more timeline do they need. There's so much source material there already that even their kids and grandkids could pick up where they left off and still have quite a career ahead of them. Shadowrun is huge, and full of possibilities.

Hell, it would have been a piss-poor decision, but if they had wanted to make a game like this one, they could have set it up within the existing SR universe several different ways. Many people would have been satisfied, at least for now, with an Urban Brawl game, for example. It's not what we really want, but at least it would be Shadowrun.

What makes you think any of it is coming. What makes you think they won't just continue with the retarded changes and keep rewriting the storyline altogether? What makes you think the next game will be anything but more of the same? That's what game publishers do. They don't like risk. So if something sells, they make another one just like it, but with better graphics, cooler explosions, and a few new gimmicks. If this game sells well, it'll be the death of Shadowrun in the computer gaming world. It might be that even if it doesn't sell well. But if they're going to kill Shadowrun, then I'd rather see them take a loss on it.

Because the developers have said several times they hope to make this the first of a series of SR based games, and have implied they will continue along the timeline.

Because I'm an eternal optimist, like I said I am complaining loudly on the forums, but I can still hope they'll start to bring it back around.

I think both answers above apply.

Get it noticed? Just how big do you think the SR community is? They might as well call it Future Magic*.




*Extra special kudos to folks know what the heck I'm talking about.

Sentinel Worlds: Future Magic

One of my favorite CRPGs of all time.

somtimes im surprised how many have heard about it...

they dont have to be active players to know about the game, or maybe rember playing a game with the same name on the SNES or sega...

Why bother buying from Amazon? If there's an Electronique Boutique in your area, or any other computer gaming shop, just go into their used games section and pick up for even less!

Undying was one of my all time favorites. I played Descent at a friends' house, and I remember it was pretty good.

I actually was playing Marathon using Aleph One a lot before I arrived in the FSM. I even got some network play done last year.

Actually, while we're on the subject of Marathon, let me counter-recommend Damage Incorporated. Try to get a physical CD from Amazon or Ebay or something if you can because I think the version floating on the internet has the voices, which are a big part of why the game is awesome, stripped away.