There's nothing wrong with folks having a chat about things they don't like as long as they do it without it degernating into a flaming mess. That being said, please don't let it degenerate into a flaming mess.

Well, DNA tests are accurate to about 1 in 1 billion. You can do a more in depth test that is more discriminatory, but I can't imagine that the hand held models have ever been made much better. That means that in the whole world, any strip of DNA you put into the machine is going to turn up like 6 or 7 individuals (many of whom may be SINless).

So if you happen to be lucky enough to have all your genetic duplicates living in the Central African Empire or something where none of them appear on official databases. you could plausibly carry up to 6 fake SINs and have that be backtraced without even raising eyebrows.

DNA scans can rule someone out withincredible accuracy and power. And as sch they make great scans for credstick or entrance verification (if someone isn't an authorized person, they have a better chance of winning the lottery than they do of being able to pass a DNA scan). But they won't make a 100% positive match ever. They'll always bring up a small list of potential people from around the world, and the computer will then check their last financial, travel, employment, and medical records to determine the most likely candidate to put on top. And if your Fake SIN is good enough, it will have enough Google Bombing going on that your fake SIN will come up as the first name and it will have your face on it and everything. That will be the end of that most of the time.

He was the recipient of early Cybermancy over a decade ago. He's dead now, one way or another. With modern, advanced cybermantic techniques he could probablyy persist for that amount of time, but before the sacrifice of people like Hatchetman the cybermancy we have today just wouldn't be possible. The stable cyberzombies of the 2070s are a direct result of hands on research with people like Hatchetman. We salute these brave (and dead) guin... test subjects.

-Frank

Cyberzombies were never in the magic book, you'll have to wait for augmentation. Booo!

-Frank

LOL I stand corrected! Thanks Frank your a loveable guy now get writing on my cyberzombies! Alpha and Omega have a lot of splaining to do!

OH, and BBBBBOOOO about not hearing about Harlequin, His aprentise (I forget her name), or excalibur. BBBBOOOO!!!

FINALLY.. Whats up with no Stuffer shack run at the end of 4th edition BBBBOOOOO!!!!

I guess you were distracted when you implied that a search in the SIN database would turn up SINless .

Would it raise eyebrows if 6 of those DNA matches live in your hometown, and the biometric data (or even an attached photograph) is practically identical?

Security isn't dumb, if they got your data from a crime scene, they won't stop looking at the first SIN the computers provide, they know it will be most likely a fake, and take a look at all of them.
Just to be clear: I'm not talking about a SIN check per se, but about trying to find all matching SINs connected to data someone somewhere found somehow for some reason .

This is why DNA is considered is not useful as a part of biometric verification system, which is the application here. It doesn't distinguish between identical twins, clones etc. Plus the sequencing process to get high resolution takes too long to be useful in making go-no go decisions. Its still very useful in other ways, such as biometric identification, but not for verification.

An effective biometric verifier has to have "chaotic morphogenesis of its minutiae". Which means that you don't have duplicates at all because minor initial factors in fetal development change the outcome greatly.

Fingerprints are one. While fingerprint patterns are inherited, the actual fingerprints are unique even between identical twins. As are irises, with a likelihood of a match between two people of 1 in 10^78. And retinal patterns. And blood vessels in you finger. There are lots of useful biometrics useful as verifiers, that will reliably discriminate between a given individual and someone posing as him and are very fast. DNA just isn't one of them.

Exactly what a "fake SIN" is depends on what you want. Do you want to pay for a drink at stuffershack using you online account, do you want to get on a suborbital , or do you want to avoid having the jail in-processing unit figure out that you are not who you say you are when they run everything? Each of these requires a lot more work than the one before. And duplicate biometrics will certainly raise a big flag at either the airport or the jail.

What you want a VH1 special, "where are they now"?
And I like SURGE damn it.

There's a reference to Kham on Page 99 of Runner Havens in the shadowtalk by Fatima. Basically, Kham's retired and their is a group called the "Bot'Kham" (translates as Sons of Kham) who operate as a cell for the Creeps.

What he said. And more:

AGS: BOOOO!!!!
Only one attribute to resist spells (honestly, who's using Countersopelling all the time): BOOO
Still no good ruling for cyber limbs: BOO!!

I don't get that. Why is it silly? You want elves to have normal human lifespans? I see the aging differences being interesting role-playing opportunities.

I've never seen any of those as invincible, just well protected. Though they do like to portray themselves as invincible, helps to keep yourself alive.

you took your sweet sweet time with that one, didn't you?

Frosty has a bit of dialogue in Street Magic, she's totally there on page 12.

Uh... can't help you there. BOOOOO!



-Frank

So you didnt like SURGE but are mad that they didnt put it in 4th?
It doesnt make sense! BOOO!

They just tried to sneak it under the radar.

SURGE was pretty silly but ignoring a piece of canon is just stupid. They only mention it twice in passing in the BBB.

people don't like it when fun intrudes on their grim and gritty cyberpunk...

that, and the kitty cat interview in the book screamed manga kitten to oh so many people on this forum. and at the time people was already afraid that shadowrun would turn into some kind of camp americanized manga bastard child...

Word.

Oh, come on. Doesn't anyone remember the SR manga that was posted a while back with the creepy hermetic mage that looked sort of like a psychopathic yaoi villain? Mangaized SR can be good. (Also, see the Japanese Sega CD videogame.)

Nah, SURGE was fun.



As for wiping out Crimson Crush by flooding the Barrens with BTLs, that would be too close to the incident where the FBI hired the Columbian drug cartels to flood the ghettos with cheap cocaine in an attempt to neutralize the Black Panther Party for Self Defense.


No rules for triple-wilding by characters with prehensile tails. BOOOO

Oh, come on. Doesn't anyone remember the SR manga that was posted a while back with the creepy hermetic mage that looked sort of like a psychopathic yaoi villain? Mangaized SR can be good. (Also, see the Japanese Sega CD videogame.)

Nah, SURGE was fun.



As for wiping out Crimson Crush by flooding the Barrens with BTLs, that would be too close to the incident where the FBI hired the Columbian drug cartels to flood the ghettos with cheap cocaine in an attempt to neutralize the Black Panther Party for Self Defense.


No rules for triple-wilding by characters with prehensile tails or quadruple-wielding for characters who didn't get their meat-arms removed before their cyberarms were installed. BOOOO

Fixed!

Off my chest? Nah. I gripe about them all the time. Actually, kidding aside, these are the ones that have come up in threads recently, so I thought it'd be funny to put them all in one place since there was a thread for it.

1st question: Because in other canon, metahumans are shown to all be human beings at the core. While many people have pointed to "RL differences in age spans", nobody has ever shown any evidence that I found credible enough that these differences were products of genetics rather than circumstance and environment for me to buy it. If the differences were ten years for orks, which was linked to poverty, I might buy it. But "orks live shorter amounts of times..um..because they're ORKS!" has never cut it for me. I'm no expert, but that's how I see it. (And no, wikipedia and google don't make one an "expert".)

2nd question: Yes. Because they're essentially human beings, and the difference in structure is, in my games (and in some canon references that I'm too lazy to go looking for atm), akin to the differences in RL ethnicities. Elven ears = african-american (or whatever the current "PC" term is) skin tone. Not "elves are happy magicky and live a hundred years cause Tolkien said so." (I'm aware he wasn't the originator.)

Where you see opportunity for role playing, I see silly hold-overs and throwbacks to too much cookie cutter fantasy fiction. Different takes, is all.

And I said this in another recent thread, but I'll add it here:

The more I learn about how ED is the reason for so many things that I think are silly in SR:

Shadowrun connections to ED: BOOOOOOO!

(Besides, this thread is just for fun. I don't think anyone here is trying to say "you shouldn't like this either". )

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Are you kidding? Man, never play in my games. You'd beat me with a BBB over how little I actually consider "canon" to matter in some areas.

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How could I forget that!

Here here! BoOOoooOOOOOOO!

For trying to sneek it under the radar and for not having enough peer presure to take out a bad idea (which I love) out at the time BBBBBOOOOOOO!!!!!

It just wasn't all that good either.