Jaid
Jul 26 2007, 05:53 PM
a PDF reader, AKA a laptop computer with adobe reader installed in it, should be available for under $1,000 in many places, i would think...
Demerzel
Jul 26 2007, 06:10 PM
I hear ASUS has a laptop for around $200...
G.NOME
Jul 26 2007, 06:24 PM
The EEE PC, due out around August some time.
Just like Augmentation =)
But seriously, I use PalmPDF (freeware PDF reader) on my Palm TX (<$200) and it works just fine. I have MitS, the GM Screen, and the Critters book on there.
bibliophile20
Jul 26 2007, 07:15 PM
Must... have... book...
last... session today... for a month!
Zen Shooter01
Jul 26 2007, 07:17 PM
My Gateway laptop I bought about four months ago was only $800 at BestBuy.
1518 hours, Eastern standard. Augmentation still unavailable.
eidolon
Jul 26 2007, 07:51 PM
Augmentation PDF: $25(?)
Printers: $2000
Enough ink to print Augmentation PDF: $100
Having a physical copy of Augmentation before the rest of these suckers: Priceless.
Demerzel
Jul 26 2007, 07:53 PM
Spiral binding at office max because I can own $2,000 in printers but not a $50.oo binding machine... Annoying
eidolon
Jul 26 2007, 08:06 PM
Haha. Ouch.
I worked in a print shop for a while at one point. When my oldest FASA copy of SR3 started to fall apart, I had them drill it for a 3 ring binder. Always regretted not doing a different binding. Oh well, that printing is old and outdated and I have others now.
Ravor
Jul 26 2007, 08:07 PM
Personally I'm not expecting the PDF to be up until Friday evening, but I'd be
very happy to be proven wrong on this.
Demerzel
Jul 26 2007, 08:08 PM
Yea, I really enjoy my copy of emergance I did in spiral. I did SM in a 3 hole punch and put it in a sort of report cover and I regret that... I'll probably reprint it and put it in a spiral binding soon.
Combs are for suckas...
Marwynn
Jul 26 2007, 11:46 PM
So everyone's waiting for it on BattleShop then? I wonder if they're doing a combo sale too.
Demerzel
Jul 26 2007, 11:55 PM
Yea, I'm refreshing their Shadowrun -> Game PDFs -> Rulebooks page about once every 15 to 20 minutes today, even though I'm a commando and will be able to download it free in a coupple weeks when John get's it for us.
DTFarstar
Jul 27 2007, 12:34 AM
Anyone know going rates at Office Depot/Kinkos for printing out such a file? I've got access to a binder(not sure how to work it, but I can find the manual on the internet if I need to) but I need to know how much printing it will cost to see if it's worth it.
Chris
ATimson
Jul 27 2007, 12:37 AM
QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) |
...is it today? |
Adam
Jul 27 2007, 12:38 AM
PDF:
http://www.battlecorps.com/catalog/product...roducts_id=1949Print pre-order + PDF:
http://www.battlecorps.com/catalog/product...roducts_id=1950I'll have a PDF preview and a blog talking about the book up in a few hours -- I'm fighting off a cold here, but I wanted to get the book live for you guys.
Ranneko
Jul 27 2007, 12:42 AM
EDIT: Adam beat me by 4 minutes, curses foiled!
Still, I now have another thing to distract me from work!
Marwynn
Jul 27 2007, 12:46 AM
Dang I just checked! Hehe, here we go!
I hope my cyber-armed mage gets an upgrade.
Ol' Scratch
Jul 27 2007, 12:49 AM
I just want to say that after a quick look at the new rules, Augmentation has changed cyberlimbs in pretty much every way I was planning on houseruling. Great job on it. I apologize for being critical all the time and never complimenting the good stuff, but this defintely deserves some applause so far.
Increases to starting attributes, extra capacity, customization options... even god damn "overclocking" as an optional rule.
<swoons>
Synner
Jul 27 2007, 01:01 AM
Thank you.
I know many people still won't be satisfied, but I am quite pleased with the way those rules came out. Customized cyberlimbs, the bulk modification, modular limbs, and the cybersuite rules should make cyberlimbs more attractive... and guess what? Fully compatible with the core rules! The "redlining" rule will even let you punch through a wall once in a while.
Enjoy.
[Sits back and waits till they get to the cyborg rules and start breaking out the pitchforks and torches]
jklst14
Jul 27 2007, 01:02 AM
Purchased and downloaded! Looks awesome!
Ol' Scratch
Jul 27 2007, 01:16 AM
QUOTE (Synner @ Jul 26 2007, 07:01 PM) |
[Sits back and waits till they get to the cyborg rules and start breaking out the pitchforks and torches] |
Looks like they're just rules for putting a rigger's brain in a drone. Nothing wrong with that as it's pretty much what every house rule I've ever seen on the subject ended up doing, this just makes it "official." I still don't see very many players going that route, though, and those who wanted to just jury-rigged some rules together to do so.
Nothing to really flame about, though using the term "cyborg" and the rules that were promised therein was misleading. Cyberware suites are more in line to what people were expecting, I think... and surprise, there's rules for those, too! (Though no examples of a "cyborg suite" after a quick flip-through. Probably the only folly.)
I do dig the slang term for cyborgs, though.
Did find my first major beef, though. No index. :'(
EDIT: Though though though. Wanted to add a few more since I don't think I used the word enough in this post.
Ranneko
Jul 27 2007, 01:22 AM
Damn the cyberlimbs look cool, actually make me think about making a character with a cyberlimb or two.
I have had to stop reading though owing to you guys inconsiderately releasing this while I still have 5 hours left at work today =P
It's going to make it that much harder to keep gas transfers in my head when there is the potential for reading about shiny toys for my characters.
FrankTrollman
Jul 27 2007, 01:23 AM
Indices rarely appear in PDF versions of things because they can be searched by word inherently from Acrobat.
-Frank
jmecha
Jul 27 2007, 01:25 AM
This is looking sweeter and sweeter as I scroll through it
Marwynn
Jul 27 2007, 01:28 AM
Still reading. Awesome work!
Adam
Jul 27 2007, 01:33 AM
QUOTE (FrankTrollman) |
Indices rarely appear in PDF versions of things because they can be searched by word inherently from Acrobat. |
If the print version of a Catalyst product includes an index, the PDF version includes it as well. This particular book does not have an index because it had an incredibly short time period in layout, and we simply didn't have time to turn around final layout files to our indexer.
Wakshaani
Jul 27 2007, 01:56 AM
QUOTE (ATimson) |
QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) | ...is it today? |
|
$54?! And $25 for teh PDF?
Gadzooks!
I can only hope that this is in Canadian money, or Australian, or some other Moon-like measurement, rather than my beloved CAS Dollars.
...
American, I meant.
...
Yeah, American.
...
...
...
*cough*
imperialus
Jul 27 2007, 02:06 AM
YAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!11!!ONE!!1!!
Adam
Jul 27 2007, 02:11 AM
QUOTE (Wakshaani) |
$54?! And $25 for teh PDF? |
$25 for the PDF, $54.99 gets you both the book [regularly $34.99] and the PDF [regularly $25]. Same pricing scheme as previous Shadowrun books.
BTW: 25.00 CAD = 23.7306 USD
Welcome to modern exchange rates.
Zen Shooter01
Jul 27 2007, 02:43 AM
And choirs of modified angels sang. Adam, you name the truck stop and the brand of lubricant you prefer.
Zen Shooter01
Jul 27 2007, 02:44 AM
The Radar Sensor opens a whole new world of use for APDS shotgun slugs.
Ol' Scratch
Jul 27 2007, 02:47 AM
Yeah. Kind of sucks that it completely pushes Ultrasound off the map, though. There's no reason to use it except for synergy with other devices that use it (like Motion Sensors), but that's a pretty sad justification for it. Radar blows it off the map.
Ancient History
Jul 27 2007, 02:56 AM
Ultrasound is still relatively more stealthy (and not quite obsolete) because of its passive mode.
jklst14
Jul 27 2007, 03:12 AM
QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) |
I just want to say that after a quick look at the new rules, Augmentation has changed cyberlimbs in pretty much every way I was planning on houseruling. Great job on it. I apologize for being critical all the time and never complimenting the good stuff, but this defintely deserves some applause so far.
Increases to starting attributes, extra capacity, customization options... even god damn "overclocking" as an optional rule. <swoons> |
I'll second this. All the cyberlimb stuff looks great. I'm tempted to run out and have my character get a pair right now.
odinson
Jul 27 2007, 03:37 AM
QUOTE (Wakshaani) |
QUOTE (ATimson @ Jul 27 2007, 12:37 AM) | QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) | ...is it today? |
|
$54?! And $25 for teh PDF?
Gadzooks!
I can only hope that this is in Canadian money, or Australian, or some other Moon-like measurement, rather than my beloved CAS Dollars.
...
American, I meant.
...
Yeah, American.
...
...
...
*cough*
|
check the exchange lately. canada is almost on par with america. won't be long till we're on top.
Begby
Jul 27 2007, 03:42 AM
I can't justify buying the PDF and the download. What I'd like is to have a subscription to everything 4th edition from now till forever, charge me for the pre-order print and allow me to download the PDF. Columbia games did that for a long time. You basically subscribed to everthing they put out and got access to the PDFs.
Well, ima wait.
Cover is not up to Shadowrun usual standards, IMHO. Your interior contributing artists have come up with some amazing stuff tho, Mumah's junk is hot.
Don't mean to be a dick, don't mean to flame a soul, just my take on it.
jmecha
Jul 27 2007, 03:48 AM
Revitalization............what happens when you use Revitalization to heal essence damage done by other gene treatments?
does Revitalization undo the other treatments and replace essence......or do you get the essence back and still keep the effects of whatever gene tretments you had?
is it to early for questions?
Zen Shooter01
Jul 27 2007, 03:49 AM
Biocompatability is the new Most Popular positive quality. Ten percent off Essence cost of the implant technology of your choice, for a mere 10 bp. Wow.
Also adapsin, a genetech on pg. 90 that reduces the by 10% all future cybertech essence loss. 0.2 Essence, 30k.
Wow. I'm just playing
More Human Than Human on repeat.
BookWyrm
Jul 27 2007, 03:57 AM
What I saw from the preview has whetted my appetite. I hope the scheduled release of (end of?) August stays on track.
Adam, hope you get over your illness soon. You're doing a bang-up job. :applause:
Adam
Jul 27 2007, 03:59 AM
QUOTE |
I can't justify buying the PDF and the download. |
I'm assuming you mean "the PDF and the print."
QUOTE |
What I'd like is to have a subscription to everything 4th edition from now till forever, charge me for the pre-order print and allow me to download the PDF. Columbia games did that for a long time. You basically subscribed to everthing they put out and got access to the PDFs. |
We believe that PDF products have enough added utility [searchability, bookmarks, hyperlinks, portability] that giving them away for free with print purchase simply isn't smart business.
Some sort of subscription plan isn't out of the question, though.
I took a look at the Columbia Games site and could only find information about subscribing to several of their Hârn series of publications -- could you give me a link or a summary of how their subscription program works?
Ol' Scratch
Jul 27 2007, 04:09 AM
QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) |
Biocompatability is the new Most Popular positive quality. Ten percent off Essence cost of the implant technology of your choice, for a mere 10 bp. Wow.
|
It's little more than a "you can have beta-grade implants at character creation, but instead of the normal cost for beta implants, you have to pay a flat 50,000¥ fee and can only apply it to one type of implant [cyberware or bioware], not both."
Nice, but only for characters investing quite a bit of nuyen in implants. Not a bad investment for the longhaul for heavily cybered characters, but it's not a must-have quality. Especially for anyone who only wants a handful of implants. Basically comes down to "do I want to waste 10 BP at character creation for a 'I hope I get access to lots of implants after the game begins' or just using those points for something else and swallowing the nuyen cost for high-grade implants if and when they become available" quality.
I think even for heavily augmented characters, I'd rather use the BPs elsewhere. Course I have no plans on creating a walking cybermenace either, and in those cases I'd definitely get it just so I could squeeze the last few points out. Great for campaigns for "prime runners" where you get something ridiculous like 1,000,000¥ and 200 Karma after character creation.
Link
Jul 27 2007, 04:19 AM
QUOTE (jmecha) |
is it to early for questions? |
Not at all, it's been almost 4 hours since the digital book release.
Welcome to the information age.
Anyone recall SR in the last millennium? Overseas shipping, pre-www, snail mail. The basic unit of time was the month rather than minute. I still know people who do SR that way.
-Nyx-
Jul 27 2007, 05:23 AM
QUOTE (Synner) |
Thank you.
I know many people still won't be satisfied, but I am quite pleased with the way those rules came out. Customized cyberlimbs, the bulk modification, modular limbs, and the cybersuite rules should make cyberlimbs more attractive... and guess what? Fully compatible with the core rules! The "redlining" rule will even let you punch through a wall once in a while.
Enjoy.
[Sits back and waits till they get to the cyborg rules and start breaking out the pitchforks and torches] |
Some never will...
But at least until now it seems like the masses are quite happy... you must have found "the right touch"...
*bows.slightly*,
Nyx
MYST1C
Jul 27 2007, 06:13 AM
QUOTE (Adam) |
BTW: 25.00 CAD = 23.7306 USD
Welcome to modern exchange rates. |
With Emergence and Augmentation out and no sign of a new German SR licensee I'm seriously considering buying ebooks for the first time...
BTW: US-$ 25.00 = EUR 18.21
knasser
Jul 27 2007, 06:16 AM
Yes! Downloading now!
EDIT: "Redlining..." wow!
EDIT2: Customised cyberlimbs. Bulk modification. More than I hoped for!
You can tell which section I went to first, can't you?
Synner
Jul 27 2007, 07:38 AM
One thing I'll note is that while Customized limbs allow you to increase your basic cyberlimb Atts at an additional cost, the Bulk modification is only available for obvious cyberlimbs (we just thought it was more cyberpunk that way).
As for genetech Revitalization (I see someone is skipping ahead to the new stuff): a couple of things to keep in mind is that strictly speaking geneware treatments aren't implants and (in case your GM allows it anyhow) the treatment only works if you first remove the implant that caused the Essence loss (meaning in this instance getting corrective genetherapy to cancel the previous treatment first).
Ol' Scratch
Jul 27 2007, 07:39 AM
Pfft! Synthetic limbs suck anyway. Obvious(ly cool) or bust!
Begby
Jul 27 2007, 07:47 AM
QUOTE (Adam @ Jul 26 2007, 10:59 PM) |
QUOTE | I can't justify buying the PDF and the download. |
I'm assuming you mean "the PDF and the print."
QUOTE | What I'd like is to have a subscription to everything 4th edition from now till forever, charge me for the pre-order print and allow me to download the PDF. Columbia games did that for a long time. You basically subscribed to everthing they put out and got access to the PDFs. |
We believe that PDF products have enough added utility [searchability, bookmarks, hyperlinks, portability] that giving them away for free with print purchase simply isn't smart business.
Some sort of subscription plan isn't out of the question, though.
I took a look at the Columbia Games site and could only find information about subscribing to several of their Hârn series of publications -- could you give me a link or a summary of how their subscription program works?
|
Well, it's now here:
http://www.columbiagames.com/cgi-bin/query...an-waritems.txtThey've changed their system to a voting one I see, calling it Gameplan. I haven't been loyal to their games for a couple years, so I'm way outside the loop.
The way it worked was: when they came out with a new product, you were issued an email, notifying you of when the latest product would come available, and if you were subscribed, on what date you'd be charged. Their strategey behind this was to more accurately gauge initial printing quantities, and as a spiff for pre-ordering and this level of commitment to their product, you could recieve the PDF. It was for Harn and Harnmaster products. I believe that the only way you could get their PDF's was by this manner. It always seemed to me that the reason they offered the PDF was because they kept your pre-order money for quite some time: like a couple months, and that was used to satiate you till you recieved the hardcopy.
This wouldn't be valuable to a company that could accurately forecast first unit sales, obviously. They're a much smaller company, so really, their business model would be far different from yours anyway.
I guess I do see your point regarding increased searchability and so forth, and that probably is more defined for users with laptops. I unfortunately do not have one, so maybe that has another factor in wincing at the price of both. Obviously, the Augmentation PDF has a defined value as here I am, complaining about wanting it!
I'm also not the type to pull it off of a newsgroups service, to me as a graphic artist and freelance writer, that is plain theft.
Anyway, kudos with your new product release and I'll sadly wait for it's release in print.
And yes I did mean "PDF and PRINT." I apologize, thanks for blocking my tard-fu.
Kyrn
Jul 27 2007, 10:22 AM
Holy crap-face! Type O System is wicked. Cyber adepts everywhere are going to be sweating the points for this one.
And Move by Wire...wow. Just wow. They actually made this sicker.
Rotbart van Dainig
Jul 27 2007, 10:30 AM
Cellular Repair is fun - You can get back Essence sucked by a vampire... but Revitalization... evil stuff.
Now... telll me - where's the Guardian Angel implant? Or the cheaper variant?
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