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Dumori
Well may be but. Well they dont count (and some can't).

Ok quick Qs:
One any idea for a name(s) that you think we should use? Thats up to you guys
Two moral dilemmas how do you feel about killing children and religion? (these will effect how I branch out the plot if any one is really against me doing stuff like this tell me and I wont I don't want to offend people this will be such things as extremism and not just Islamic and child solders)
Scope_47
Hmmm, well, an adjetive and an animal name are pretty common for company names I think - do we have an Aussie in the group? Could name ourselves the "Drop Bears" then... Screaming Eagles, Smiling Jackals, the Rattlesnakes, the Last Battalion (Hellsing connotation actually not intended... this time), the Horsemen... honestly, I'm not that great with names.

As for moral quandaries: If you are asking about players, as a player I'm up for anything (I have a very strong separation of fantasy from reality). If you are asking about characters, Kiara believes that killing innocent children is wrong, but killing infidels (IE: Non-catholics) is the way to heaven - and children who are infidels are not innocent - and children who are not infidels but take up arms are not innocent... so as a Catholic-Extremist, I can see her going far far past the accepted norms of morality.

- Scope
Dumori
I'm asking about players.
BlackHat
1. On names, I'm also no good at names. Maybe something like, "Last Resort" or "Wildcards". Something that eludes to the fact that people hire us when the absolutely positively have no other choice, and want to see their enemies blasted off of the face of the earth. Maybe something with "Trump" in it too, but I don't like how that sounds by itself. If we went with Wildcards, or Trump-something we could all have a different card or suit or something on our gear.

2. As a player, I can handle most things if they're done tastefully. I won't be offended. IC, Overkill isn't going to be too picky about who he opens up on - but is a bit of a thrillseeker, so would like more of a challenge than making some kid's head explode from a mile away.
Cthulhudreams
QUOTE (Dumori @ Aug 18 2008, 11:54 AM) *
On a side not I'll require allies to be made "ingame" but you can save the karma and gear it would cost you.


Doesn;t that take like.. ages?

Can I just start with one lol.

Edit: I really need to start with it as I'm using familiar as one of my ordeals.

Edit2: Gametone - if its in an MA15+ I'm totally okay with it. So mowing down thousands of infidels after taking our shirts off and naming ourselves after gay porn stars is okay.

Mowing down child soldiers is 'gritty' but rape scenes are Not Okay.
Dumori
I like "Wildcards" or something card related then we've got Squad/person identifiers. 14 in total if joker, ace and 2-10 are used for individual callings then the other 3 could be used when we split in to groups or have squads attached. Plus we've got the suits for different roles such as magic, fire support, special weapons and vehicular. manb You could have fun witth that idea. "Dead mans hand" stands out as one name that is kind o' cool.
Scope_47
I like your idea, Blackhat, but we need to stay away from 'Wildcards' since that was the unit's nickname in Space: Above and Beyond... and they also each took a card for a handle. We could do something like "Dead Man's Hand" though. Or we could incorporate the word 'Knaves' somehow (the 'Jacks' were originally called Knaves)... if we do do playing cards, I call dibs on the 'Queen of Diamonds' card, as it has a connotation to Pallas smile.gif
BlackHat
Other card hand names (would make good codenames):

"Pocket Rockets" or "Bullets"
"Machine Gun"
"Blackjack" or "Ajax"
"Hunting Season"
"Ashtray"
"The Four Horsemen"
"The Three Wise Men"
"Cowboys"
"Royal Couple"
"Kojak"
"Unit" or "Fido" or "Canine"
"King Crab" or "Commander Crab"
"Ladies"
"Maverick"
"Computer Hand"
"Rock and Roll" or "Motown"
"Flat Tire"
"Thirty Miles of Bad Road"
"Magnum" or "Colt 44"
"Colt 45"
"Ducks"
"Marksman"
"Rabbit"
BlackHat
Isn't there some name in poker for like... pulling a win out of nowhere when the river(?) cards are turned over?

That seems like the sort of victory we could get for people.
DWC
QUOTE (Dumori @ Aug 18 2008, 06:15 PM) *
Well may be but. Well they dont count (and some can't).

Ok quick Qs:
One any idea for a name(s) that you think we should use? Thats up to you guys
Two moral dilemmas how do you feel about killing children and religion? (these will effect how I branch out the plot if any one is really against me doing stuff like this tell me and I wont I don't want to offend people this will be such things as extremism and not just Islamic and child solders)


1) No clue, though I'm leaning towards something politically correct and corporate, like Tannenbaum Global Resource Management.

2) I'm playing a 10 foot tall former child soldier who beats people to death with a light machinegun when he doesn't feel like shooting them, and giggles a little bit inside when people fall out of a burning armored personnel carrier. He's a bad person, who grew up in a violent amoral world. I expect that as mercenaries working for the corporations that are raping the natural world to fatten the pockets of their shareholders, the characters are going to do bad things to good people for a mix of money and their own amusement. With that as a baseline, I figure things will get better and worse at times, but I'd be amazed if any of it bothers me.
BlackHat
Other ideas:
"Big blind" (forced bet)
"Cold Deck" (a stacked deck)
"Crying call" (Calling when a player thinks he does not have the best hand)
"Penny Ante" (Frivolous, low stakes, or "for fun" only; A game where no significant stake is likely to change hands)
Dumori
I like the card idea and so far its winning. Knowing what some of those hands are would help fluff wise (to but on gear and such). But marksman fit the sniper.
BlackHat
I thought you would like that one.
Scope_47
If we go with card hand names for individuals, I call 'Four Horsemen' due to the biblical connotation unless someone objects.

For our group name, how about 'The Last Hand' +giggles maniacally+
Muspellsheimr
In regards to the name, I would personally prefer something along the "end of the world" lines. Armageddon & Apocalypse are over-used, but maybe a translation of them from an uncommon language, like Hebrew or Latin.

In regards to morals:
In-Character, I look evil, I feel evil, I am evil.
Out-of-Character, I look evil, I feel evil, I am evil.

EDIT:
In regards to religion, if it is on my side, I tolerate it. If it is opposed, I obliterate it. If it is neutral, I merely destroy it. I hate religion - somewhat odd considering my fascination with mythology.
BlackHat
Another good one that someone might like:
"The Devil, Satan, Lucifer,
The Beast" (3 6's)
Scope_47
@Muspellsheimr
How about "Revelations"? Its all about the apocalypse but rarely used as a name in reference to it.
Also, I'm trying to figure out how our characters are going to interact without wanting to kill each other - we're both pretty much evil (ok, you're blatantly Faustian Evil, and I'm behind-a-mask-of-righteousness evil), but have vastly different world-views and are both rather vocal... any thoughts? Or should we just assume an 'agree to disagree' solution was made off-screen?
BlackHat
Well, as a mercenary group full of potentially evil or homicidal people... we probably have some sort of rule where... you know, if you kill someone... its open season on you and your stuff. I'm sure pretty much any of us could pretty much instantly kill and of the rest of us if we wanted to... so we should just channel all that... murdering elsewhere.
Muspellsheimr
I would assume some kind of "agree to disagree". We could even be friends, of a sort - in real life, my feelings towards religion, Christianity in particular, are very much like those of my character, yet two of my friends are Christians - of course, they agree that, typically, Christians are at best retarded...

Using "Revelations" as a name referencing the apocalypse does actually sound pretty original, & not bad.
DWC
QUOTE (BlackHat @ Aug 18 2008, 08:43 PM) *
Well, as a mercenary group full of potentially evil or homicidal people... we probably have some sort of rule where... you know, if you kill someone... its open season on you and your stuff. I'm sure pretty much any of us could pretty much instantly kill and of the rest of us if we wanted to... so we should just channel all that... murdering elsewhere.


Sounds good. "You open fire on anyone else, and you declare yourself and enemy combatant. And you've seen what happens to them."
Scope_47
Oh, I realize that - its just that out of the bunch of us, those two characters seem to have pretty much diametrically opposed world views, so I was wondering if they'd have been reconciled or would remain an undercurrent of bad vibes. Everyone is is made of awesome sauce... though thats probably not the best way to phrase the affection of a ghoul LOL. But seriously, she's normally very nice - its just that its hard to get along with someone who publicly states (unless this was changed and I didn't catch it) that all humanity needs to be wiped out... cause, you know, I think that everyone not-him counts as a human in that statement.

- Scope
Muspellsheimr
Not all of humanity - the intelligent, & to a lesser extent, the strong, are to be preserved - aka the "best of humanity". This is all in an honest effort to cleanse the rot that infests the world - a rot that has been allowed to continue to the point that such a cleansing is the only way to remove it. ork.gif Said rot includes aprox. 99.97% of metahumanity.

Oh, and it is not something I publicly state - merely something that pops up rarely in conversations that border on such a topic.
Scope_47
QUOTE (Muspellsheimr @ Aug 18 2008, 09:51 PM) *
I would assume some kind of "agree to disagree". We could even be friends, of a sort - in real life, my feelings towards religion, Christianity in particular, are very much like those of my character, yet two of my friends are Christians - of course, they agree that, typically, Christians are at best retarded...

Using "Revelations" as a name referencing the apocalypse does actually sound pretty original, & not bad.


Sounds good - I can see them being friends as well - I mean, honestly, even Magneto and Dr. Xavier were friends (I really just showed my geek didn't I?). Besides, you want to cleanse the world, I want to cleanse the world... all you have to do is make room to let "God's Chosen" survive and we have the exact same goal LOL... and there is always the fact that we are I believe the only two HMHVV infected persons on the squad, so that's even more common ground. So friends works smile.gif

- Scope

<EDIT: you replied while I was typing this post... looks like we were on the same wavelength though... so we are both genocidal maniacs - just one in a 'I'm nice' package and one in a 'I'm evil!!!' package... sounds like they should get along superbly smile.gif
JoelHalpern
QUOTE (Dumori @ Aug 18 2008, 07:15 PM) *
Ok quick Qs:
One any idea for a name(s) that you think we should use? Thats up to you guys
Two moral dilemmas how do you feel about killing children and religion? (these will effect how I branch out the plot if any one is really against me doing stuff like this tell me and I wont I don't want to offend people this will be such things as extremism and not just Islamic and child solders)


1) I am probably a bit less comfortable with things than some of the other folks. But this is shadowrun. We are killers. But killing random folks, deliberately killing bystanders, or going after uninvolved children would really bother me. (Killing child soldiers is unfortunate, and might well bother my character more than it bothers me. As long as we keep the graphic level low.)

2) I do like the card names. I rather like "Maverick" (which, according to this Poker Hand explanation is QJ high.) I just hope I don't end up unable to hit any people smile.gif

Yours,
Joel / Tam
Mickle5125
FYI: I was so excited about the possibility of getting into this game... as well as full of a desire to play with Runner's Companion, that I've completed a character already... so, if anyone decides they aren't full of enthusiasm and excitement... *grins*
crizh
I'm still up in the air about tradition. On the one hand I like the fluff of both Black and Chaos Magic for this character but the mechanics are lacklustre. On the other hand there are some interesting traditions, mechanically, like Voodoo but their fluff is just wildly wrong for this character. Would you consider a custom tradition that welded the most interesting elements of all three? I've slapped together a skeleton example with mechanics and some basic fluff below.

[ Spoiler ]
Dumori
It looks ok nothing wrong with it.
crizh
OK, I'll go with that then. I'll re-jig my gear a bit, see if I can't afford a vessel somehow.
BlackHat
I think the biggest drawback to custom traditions is the reduced likelyhood that you'll meet anyone of the same tradition as you (either as mentors, group members, contacts, etc). So make sure you've lined something up ahead of time for any of those that you'll need.
Tarantula
I'm good with just about anything we end up doing as far as where the story takes us.


As far as nicknames go, I'm looking at Commander Crab, Steel Wheel, Saw Mill, Flat Tire, RPM, or Thirty (miles of bad road). Anyone think any are particularly fitting/horrible?
Scope_47
Hmmm it just occurred to me... people in military units usually have their callsigns given to them by their squad-members, right? So instead of picking our own call signs, why don't we have Dumori randomly assign each of us a team-member to give a callsign smile.gif It could be fun!

Otherwise... Tarantula, I think that Flat Tire would be good if we want to keep the card theme going... if we don't want to keep the card thing, then might I suggest 'Desert Fox'

- Scope
Dumori
I'm going with cards as it just that much fun. all i need is for soeme one to find out what the cards for that hand are if i dont know them/ if you've got any hands that would fit any one post them as im not a big card player.
BlackHat
I got most of the ones I suggested at: http://www.thepokerforum.com/handnames.htm

Still haven't selected oen for Overkill.
Tarantula
Same site I was at BlackHat. All the ones I posted for myself were hand names...

Flat tire is kinda ironic, being that I have treads... might be a good story to why I upgraded.
BlackHat
QUOTE (Scope_47 @ Aug 19 2008, 10:38 AM) *
Hmmm it just occurred to me... people in military units usually have their callsigns given to them by their squad-members, right? So instead of picking our own call signs, why don't we have Dumori randomly assign each of us a team-member to give a callsign smile.gif It could be fun!


I like this idea, and as no hand jumps out to me as befitting Overkill, the first person to post one can select his. I can't garuntee he'll like it, but we can say that the name stuck, for whatever reason, and he uses it. biggrin.gif
Gremish
I know I have been slacking here but I will do my best to get something set up today, i already have the character concept but I am trying to get Last Stand rolling at the same time as writing a character, been a bit rough with work being a overload.

Hopefully I find some free time to write it up =)
Scope_47
QUOTE (BlackHat @ Aug 19 2008, 12:31 PM) *
I like this idea, and as no hand jumps out to me as befitting Overkill, the first person to post one can select his. I can't garuntee he'll like it, but we can say that the name stuck, for whatever reason, and he uses it. biggrin.gif


American Airlines (AKA: Double Ace), because somebody made the joke "Yeah, time to fly the unfriendly skies!" while we were being paradropped into a hot LZ.
BlackHat
I like it. Consider it done.
Dumori
So far

scope your jackal (J,A,7) it works and fits you
Balckhat your American Airlines (AKA: Double Ace) I like it too or the overkill have a royal flush.
Tarantula fat tire or Convoy are good ones
Me I'm marksman (2,2,2,A,A)
John mind being AK-97 (A,K,9.7) say it was your frist rifle
thats my ideas so far

And when i teams we can use thing like four horsemen to refer to the groups
JoelHalpern
QUOTE (Dumori @ Aug 19 2008, 02:10 PM) *
S...
John mind being AK-97 (A,K,9.7) say it was your first rifle
...


I think you intended this to refer to me. If so, I don't mind.

Joel / Tam
Intro
I kinda like Hooks (J,J). Decent name, and I like the connection with knaves. (I know, the card knaves were named for the servant sort of knave, and not the untrustworthy sort, but still...)

Alex
DWC
Not much of a poker guy, so I'm drawing a blank on hands to use for DC. If anyone has any suggestions, please feel free to toss them out there.
crizh
OK, more tweakage to reflect a possession tradition...


[ Spoiler ]


As to a handle I'm at a loss, anybody got any good ideas?
Dumori
well you can make one up as well but ill have a looksie for ones that fit you two later
BlackHat
QUOTE (crizh @ Aug 20 2008, 12:04 PM) *
As to a handle I'm at a loss, anybody got any good ideas?


Well, you're a bird, so how about "Jay Birds" (two Jacks)

@DMC

Not sure of a good one either, maybe "Big Slick" (a stretch, but DangerClose is a big troll, right?) (Ace+King)
Intro
Decybered stealth/face guy a bit, and rounded out some other equipment and skills, adding assorted heavier firepower, just so we have one more big explosion on the first IP, if necessary. I'm pretty satisfied, so he's pretty final. Just need to come up with a name that I'm really satisfied with.

[ Spoiler ]
DWC
QUOTE (BlackHat @ Aug 20 2008, 05:36 PM) *
Well, you're a bird, so how about "Jay Birds" (two Jacks)

@DMC

Not sure of a good one either, maybe "Big Slick" (a stretch, but DangerClose is a big troll, right?) (Ace+King)


Yeah. He's definitely a rediculously large troll. Big Slick works fine.
Dumori
Well where just waiting for Gremish now and Cthulhudreams to finish off.

@Cthulhudreams:
Sure you can start with one if you need to then. Just limt of magic force or what your DP allows buying hits what evers lower.
Dumori
Game Plan Update:

Right Then IC news I would like to have the OOC up before Wednesday.
DWC
QUOTE (Dumori @ Aug 21 2008, 05:31 PM) *
Game Plan Update:

Right Then IC news I would like to have the OOC up before Wednesday.


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