I will not be there till about 6:30ish.

That is all.

i have to be at a family dinner, so ill be there as soon as I can

if some one could rum my char till i get there, i would appreciate it.

Str 7 -2
Dex 18 +4
Con 12 +1
Int 14+2
Wis 16+3
Cha 14+2
Speed 4(2feet)/6(4 feet)
Bab +5
Force point 6
Des. point 4
Fort 18
Ref 23
Will 19
HP 65/65
acrobatics 11
initiative 11
perception 5
pilot 11
stealth 16
Use the force 14
starship ininiative -1
Attack +9 2d6 x2
Special
nimble: use acro. for jump
Intuitive initiative: re roll initiative, keep worst result
Talents
Telekinetic Savant
Telekinetic prodigy
deflect
feats
force sensitive
force training
skill focus (use the force)
strong in the force
weapon finesse
Force powers
force slam-1
move object-2
Surge-1
rebuke-1


use force power be fore running in to melee, who ever plays char. and acts like an idiot will him will suffer a painful fate.

So, we more or less did this last session, didn't we?

Money and awesomeness and awesomeness and money, man that session kicked ass.

Money is worthless to jedi.

Plus, it means I don't have to worry about blowing up your ship.

oh, i bought a new ship. In character i would have more reason to buy one of my own to support my organization instead of chipping in on a group one. Dan was going to help me pay for my ship and we would now have two ships. Why don't we go with the legitimate financing route and get a loan to buy a cruiser, the legitimate financing rules are actually kind of nice for buying a ship.

Do you mind reminding me what ship you're going to buy? If you're getting one with lots of passenger space, I can fill it with my soon to be created organization of mercenaries, and we can have mass boarding battles
Which, btw, I'll be sending some info to you, tom, just to see if I can get your approval. No point in creating one if the GM just keep on killing all my hirelings.

a used CR90 Corellian Corvette, very large passenger bays.

I'm guessing you're going to convert it into a battle cruiser of some sort right?

with 6 medium turbolasers, 2 heavy turbolasers, and 2 point defense heavy lasers i believe it is well armed.

I believe it is. With the gozanti cruiser and this, we'll probably be able to handle most pirates from now on. Anyway, tom, how much does it cost to hire about....200 nosaurians, train them into soldiers/scouts/etc. and equip them properly?

we won't be using the gozanti cruiser a whole lot anymore i believe, i believe that we will have a second frigate flying next to this one, or a cruiser if they use the legitimate financing option in SOTG.

I assumed that we would be getting larger and more powerful ships for flying around the galaxy in, but the Retcon would still be our primary ship for flying down to a planet's surface in.

i somewhat assumed that, the corellian corvette has a faster in atmosphere speed though.

Yeah, but you don't risk your main ship when you don't have to.


So, are we going to have fighter bays on that? Cuz I was thinking of spending my cash on either a TIE Defender or a custom starfighter. I know the TIE's military, but with our connections I'm sure we can wrangle somebody to sell us one.



Good thing I went rouge.



On that note, a few questions:

1: What would it take to commission a custom Space Superiority Fighter from somebody? I know I don't have the skills or resources to build/design it, but with all this cash and nobility, couldn't I pay someone?

I was figuring I could either grab the TIE Defender and explain it's advanced systems as being a cutting-edge custom job, or work up a truly custom ship using the stock ship templates.

2: A stock space-superiority fighter is only 50k, before shields, weapons, and such. If you'd allow it, I'd like to slap on the advanced template, but the cost for that is basically: "GM Says". So, how much would you rule for an advanced fighter costing ~ 60-80,000 credits, with an availability of either restricted or military? (Depending on whether I can slap a torpedo launcher on there... )

3: Ion weapons vs shields - what happens there? Do shields subtract from the damage before or after it's halved? What about when comparing the full damage to the ship's threshold?

The way I understand it, if I fired a medium double ion cannon and rolled 80 damage (about average), you'd subtract the target's shields and DR from the full 80, compare that to the ship's threshold, and then halve that number before subtracting it from the ship's HP, is that right?

4: Finally, since we're rebuilding cuz of Jedi Academy, can I retcon my Long-Handled lightsaber to be a Great Lightsaber, and pay the extra cost? I would have had the cash for it at chargen. And if I do, can I still describe it as looking like a long-handled lightsaber? Because I friggin love the imagery.

Advanced probably costs a lot more money than just what you have listed. Garret has the starship designer feat if i remember right. Didn't you want a long handled lightsaber so that you can finesse? A greatsaber can't do that.

I know it costs more, what I listed is the base price. The build I'm looking at is probably about 72+ k, less if I go with the ion cannon instead of the laser. Still, that's mainly just my fallback if Tom says I can't have the TIE Defender.

As for finesse, I'm not using that any more. My earlier build used finesse, but I ended up taking the Noble Fencing Style talent instead. Still, after going over the stats for the great lightsaber, that won't work either. Oh well, it was only +1 damage over what I'm doing now.

I will take the feat whenever people ask me to. If you guys want some custom ships now, I'll take it now. Otherwise, you're waiting 'til 9th level.

I know Andrew wants you to take it ASAP so you can pimp out his Basalisk War droid.

It's Droid, and a spaceship, and a air vehicle!

Also; No, Reiko, you can't have a tie defender. It was SOTA at the time of the Battle of Endor.

Garret can make an advanced ship. It costs the cost of the starship x 50, and takes the same time and DC as designing a brand new Ship. It's very hard.

Garret can also turn a ship into a prototype ship with bit of work. It takes 10,000 credits base, a number of days equal to the cost divided by 5000, and a DC 10+Cl Mechanics check.

Mmkay, then I'll take Starship Designer with my new level. Now I just have to decide between dropping Careful Aim and Deadeye...

Oh, by the way, since everyone seems to be misspelling my name at this point - my name has 2 t's, not 1.

No it doesn't. We changed your name.

Check me on this: Is it just me, or does the S-250 Chesla-class starfighter have a crazy potential amount of emplacement points?

Getting rid of the fire-linked, medium (I'm assuming) concussion missile: 6 EP
Get rid of 1 point of armor: 2 EP
Correllian Engineering Corporation ship: 5 Ep

Total EP: 13!

That can't be right.

I disagree sir!

so what is the ship that is being bought to carry the rest of the group?

i changed it around and am now getting a used Sabaoth Destroyer instead.

Ouch. With that thing, you might be stupid enough to take on Ares 22. I'll have to stat is up. I take it Dan is filling it with Mercs? I'll have to use the Mass battle rules sometime.

the stats for it are on page 220 of CWCG, and i assume that he will be filling it whilst i use several OOM-series droids to pilot it.

Yup, though how much depends on the price Tom gives me per units.

Hah, didn't think I was going to get away with that.

Also, it's Reiku. u, not o. Get it right. I am tired, cranky, and just spent 12hrs on a train after having two teeth pulled--I will slay you.

P.S.: See you guys tomorrow at the Biz.

i might be a little late tomorrow, there's some stuff i have to do.

I changed Garrett's name, and now I'm changing yours.

Hey, mines easy, just type Jer

And can we buy crystals for lightsabers, or not? I read that the Jedi did have repositories, and I'm going to have to go back to either Dantooine (Where I was trained) or to Corescant for my Trails (I'm becoming a knight after next level, and at 7 I'm building my own lighters (plural)). Probably going to go dual wield, not sure yet, I need to plan my levels out a bit farther and see what I can fit in within a reasonable time frame.

Also, I'm only here in SLO until the end of the month, then I shall be moving.

You know thats a clone war era ship, right?

What part of slay you did you not comprehend?

At the biz now. See you guys when you get here. PS: I have a sword in my office.

i made a comment about that a whilie ago

So, I just looked at the books and the errata, and it seems a starship's size modifier only applies to it's Reflex Defense, Initiative checks, and Pilot checks--not to attack bonuses or anything like that. So unless you can point me to something that says otherwise...

...also, how teh fuck do you determine the "Grp" bonus of a starship? Can't find rules on it anywhere & can't remember what Tom told me. Can't manage to reverse engineer it from the listed stats either. Also, the skill bonuses in the stat blocks don't seem to add up right. (Specifically Pilot) The only things affecting them should be the ship's size modifier and the crew modifiers, right? But it doesn't add up that way...

So info and/or page numbers on how to calculate starship stats would be helpful...

I would be wrong there.



Grapple boni? Page 153 BAB+STR or DEX+SIZE.

Ships DEX also adds to Pilot.

Ah, very helpful. Looked at the grappling section of the combat rules but didn't see any bonus formula listed. Of course, I was very tired at the time.

So, I've got two ship designs almost statted out, and it occurs to me I have the money to buy both of them. I might do that, but first, I wanted opinions about what's more useful for starships in this system.

My first model is a custom interceptor, it's smaller (Huge), faster (better speed, initiative & Dex/Reflex Save), and has 1 more emplacement point, but it's shields, HP, and Str/Fort Defense/Threshold are lower. The other is a custom superiority fighter, with much better shields and improved HP, Str, ect, but it's larger (Gargantuan), significantly slower (4 less initiative and ref defense, -2 squares speed), and has 1 less emplacement point. Other stats are more or less identical between the two, I'll post the blocks in a minute for comparison.

Both ships are probably going to have Sensor Baffling and Sensor Mask, allowing them to make stealth checks with a +10 bonus without requiring any kind of cover, and are generally designed for a "disable the enemy from hiding" approach. So would it be better to be fast and agile, or slow and durable?

Two more questions:

1) Can I select the "double weapon" option for the prototype benefit, and then swap the second weapon system with a different one that uses the same number of emplacement points, paying the difference in cost? Or would I have to pull it out afterwards and replace it?

It's basically the difference between getting full value for the cloned weapon, and having to sell it at 1/4 cost instead, which doesn't mean much when you're walking around with 1.2 mil in your pocket.

2) I take it space mines just use their own attack bonus, and are unaffected by the ship or pilot's attack boni?

[edit] Stats for the two ship designs:





These aren't the full stats, mind you--just the things that directly affect which ship is better. I might throw in customized controls on both of them just to get that extra +1 to piloting.

[edit2] OOH! Shiney!

I just checked the rules for hardpoint modifications. It says one hardpoint mod gives you 4 hardpoints, which can each hold one missile, mine, or torpedo...

...unless it's a weapon restricted to ships of Colossal size or greater, in which case it uses two of the 4 hardpoints instead of just one.

Soooo, does this mean I can use hardpoints to strap a pair of heavy concussion missiles to my starfighter?

Rad, your grapple is off. It's BAB + (STR or DEX) + Size, not BAB + STR or Dex + Size. The only or in there is for str or dex, not bab and strength or dex and size.

1. Yeah, you have to strip and replace.
2. Yeah Space mines just have a set attack
3. Yeah, they are meant to work

i was working on a backup character and was wondering if droids become bat-sith crazy. According to the rules they still do, but i was wondering if it would still be playable being as well it is a droid and is less likely to go crazy like a meatbag.

Droids also go Bat-Sith Crazy. They turn into HK-01 and try to exterminate all organic life

Another telecommuting player?

Yeah, screwed up there and forgot to apply the size modifier to the BAB, fixed.



Motherfucking WOOT!

I am definitely going with the interceptor then, since I'm using the extra emplacement point for a hardpoint array. Gives lotsa' versatility, but there's something to be said for coming out loaded for bear with 9d10x5 missiles on a stealthed fighter.

Final stats:



Also going to grab a hyperdrive ring, probably, and max out the ammo capacity.

There is one drawback for hardpoints. They are both outside of your ship, and therefore outside of your shield generator.

Called shot to missiles, anyone? *Boom*

i believe the proper term is *fzzzzz* as the explosives are unarmed, unless you plan on making an improvised krath chaos fighter.

This isn't Shadowrun, where detonating explosives is impossible, outside of a detonator. Star Wars missles explode when shot. Esp when they are hit with autofire.

Really? I seem to recall (in Shadowrun) a troll with an explosive backpack who died very messily when said backpack was attacked.

Oh, by the way, I'd like to suggest that we start using ConnectNow for webcams and (if Tom ever needs it) screensharing while we play.

it seems as though they would use electronically triggered explosives that would only explode from a spark and not from the burning of the lazor.

With a missile. The missile didn't kill him, the explosives did.



"Laser" cannons in star wars a plasma based weapon.