There are designers on Dumpshock too. I should know, I am one. I'd love to take a poke at redesigning Shiawase and Mitsuhama.

Funny thing; I've never felt that Horizon was goody goody. They strike me as pretty spooky really. I don't think there's a lot of percentage in predicting the metaplot, but I reckon they have their fair share of skeletons.

The thing which winds me up about SR4 is the focus on syndicates, although that might be down to my running the Missions games, the vast majority of which involve runs instigated by Criminal Organisations. What I'd really like to see is more political wrangling, and an updated Tir could be really good for that, with new parties vying for control in the senate/parliament/whatever.

Hermit, TKD, stop flinging poo at each other.

I'm getting tired of watching threads devolve into snide cheap shots back and forth. If folks really wanted to argue, and not just show off to everyone else how witty they "really" were, they'd keep their griping to PMs. That's not said only in regards to this particular thread either.

And the topic veers wildly back on track!

A new Tir book, with a political intrigue Mission campaign backing it up? Sign me up to that petition!

The Denver Missions were deliberately set up to be criminal syndicate based. The upcoming New York Missions will have a different focus.

I'd love to see the next Missions setting location, whatever it is, have a focus on political/government plots. Portland, DeeCee, London, Atlanta... any of those would be great. Only time, and the devs decisions, will tell.

Thanks K10! I'm not alone!

I'd like to see a companion to Vice and Corporate Guide focussing on more traditional governing bodies. They must make up the majority of the controlling forces, since the corps must have someone to be extraterritorial from. They're also interesting Shadow employers, since profit is of no interest to them, they're driven by power and ideology.

@Wesley
I got the impression that the Denver missions were intentionally focusing on Syndicates, perhaps to test the faction system. I thought that was rather a shame, since Denver offers so much in the way of political conflict, having 4 states in 1 city. I got hold of the Denver boxed set before running the Missions, and envisaged great potential for political plotting, rather than mobwar. My own fault for not writing my own stuff, I guess, but the Missions save a lot of time, so I am grateful for that.

That'd be nice, though I see little reason to revisit a setting that has been FUBAR'd like the Tir has. Tir na nOg might be interesting though.

You can always fix a FUBARed setting. I'd personally like to see the Tir fall into a failed state for a little while (during actual gameplay time and not skipped over time) and encourage a new generation of more radical, more racist elves.

I think you're overstating the Tir "devastation". Firstly, the coup prevented a full out civil war, which means most of the civil institutions are intact. Only the Princes are gone, and once order was reestablished after the Crash, we could assume Tir was put back into near martial law. Now assume - as you must due to your view of the authors - that Horizon's ad campaign is successful. Parts of Tir would become a tourist paradise, a caged tourist paradise, like Jamaica. The country would be flush with cash, with lots of different interests in the Star Chamber pushing their agendas. Then you have MCT - the primary mega operating in the nation expanding it's power base (with resources pulled from Tsimshian no less). Then Horizon trying to get its feet in from its toe hold (and MCT trying to push it back out, using Tir's own anti-extraterritorial laws against them!). Then you have Telestrian, the largest company in the Tir using the Leasa syndicate as it's muscle. Then there's the Princes in Seattle, who would continue their method of proxies to affect change as they saw fit. Plus you have the pro-elven and pro-equality classes butting heads in courts and in the media. It might even be the setting to show Horizon's weaknesses.

Besides, would you really trust them with Tir na nOg?

Uhm, wasn't there somethinga bout the Star Chamber now being an actual parliament with real powers, unlike the fig leaf it had been before?


Since when? That used to be Gaeatronics.


Uhm, so your idea of the Tir is basically Yet Another Failed Civil War State? I find that terribly unoriginal Streamline a setting that used to be original into a McRunnerstate. Yay.


No, but one can hope they eventually realise making the entire world McRunnerstates makes for a pretty boring setting.

It's always been MCT - and thus the Yakuza. Remember the picture, shown from inside the store, of the ork beating up the guy against the glass doors, while a breeder lights the cigarette of the Japanese elf in a suit, with a troll bodyguard behind them blocking the street view? I don't even think Gaeatronics is mentioned in the Tir book.

Anyway, no "Yet Another Failed Civil War State" isn't what I'm talking about at all, but I must be unable to communicate my thoughts, since that's not even remotely what I'm suggesting.

Wasn't Cities of Intrigue supposed to be Portland and London? That'd be a good place to find out what's happening in the Tir.

I think CoI is still only in pre-production at this point and no locales that it would theoretically cover have been announced. But Portland would be appropriate.