Hey all... I know I've been gone for- what? Two years? But I'm back, and I have questions... Specifically about Vampires and Regeneration.
I know Critters says that Regeneration automatically heals any damage that doesn't affect the spine or brain. But what about damage caused through Astral Combat? As an attack directly on the Vampire's astral form rather than physical, does that allow regeneration?
Cheers,

-JH.

Unless the character makes a called shot then I would say that the round just hits the general (body area). If I remember the regen rules correctly, it was 1-2 on a 6 sided dice when the creature takes damage that would kill it. Same would probably apply for astral combat. If it takes astral damage over D then it would get its regen hit, unless the spine or brain was targeted by a spells effects.

I'm all SR1 and SR2 though haven't played much 3

Such a pity, I was so looking forward to a Wreck (Brain) spell.

~J

I thought that they didn't regenerate any magical damage. Spells, astral combat, weapon focus, whatever.

You thought wrong Vamps are NASTY!

So Vampires regenerate different from other creatures?
Lame. Must read more.

OK, I double checked. Weapon foci will still kill them, but other magic is just like everything else. Wow, they can cast 30D fireballs all day long

The problem with SR rules is that (as you are well aware) they are sometimes (okay a lot of times) a bit vague with things. I'd leave up to the GM to decide what is or isn't appropriate. In the end he has the final say anyhow.

If HMHVV is magical, will the vampires that survive till the next downcycle become regular, mortal humans again?

a wreck (brain) spell is perfectly legitimate. you just need LOS on the targeted brain.

Yeah. You can get spells that target specific body parts (Criple Limb, for example), but as was said I'd guess you have to touch, or at least see, the part you want to hit, and it would be a specific spell for doing so most likely.

Anyway, killing vampires: Use a weapon focus and lots of dice/friends. Failing that, use lots of silver and powerful weapons til it goes down, then use the tried and tested method of standing over it and shooting/slicing til it stops regenerating.

Easy!

Vulnerability, wood. Your two club wielding physical adept should be able to make short work of them

Not particularily, Bearclaw, not unless one of the clubs was a weapon focus. Regenerating creatures still regenerate wounds from stuff they are vulnerable to.

That being said, a good adept would probably kick the Vamp's Ass thanks to sheer weight of dice. Unless the vamp was also an adept...

1. Never trust an elf
2. Never deal with a Dragon
3. Never piss off a Vampire you can't incinerate and bury it's ashes in cement

-Siege

A tricked-out adept could probably take a non tricked-out vampire but I don't think there's any argument that a combat vamp could kill a combat Adept. The +12 to Quickness and Strength pretty-much ensures that. My personal choice is to confuse them with a spirit and whack them with a few spells.

BTW: Anyone looked at the vampitic pawns entry closely? They have Immunity: Normal Weapons! Yikes! Remind me to sire a coupple of adepts/mages into them when I become a Vampire/Nosferatu.

BTW: Vampires are good for beginners, Nosferatu are what the pros use. 17 essence with the Compulsion, Fear, and Influence powers? Also: *all* of them have magical skills. Who needs +12 quickness?

Use a free spirit and have it some of that Hidden Life goodness in a character.

"Did you try to bite me? Stop that, it tickles."

Silver capsule rounds with FAB 3. One shot and run.

Drones, a lot of drones.

Unarmed combat with friends. Remember, in unarmed combat, skill counts more than strength or quickness. You may have a truck load of strength but it is useless if the TN to hit is in the clouds. Have a shapeshifter adept fight him.

i wonder if a shapeshifter adept could take a vampire..... God i hope so.

PAC.

Okay, well just so people know.

I actually used a Vampire against a group of players, (ummm yes I know many of you other GMs have done this too.)

Anyways with the vampire having 12 essence(because of the immunity to normal weapons,) it basicly has a 24 hardened armor meaning yes yes. Anything that doesn't have a power higher then 24, and I mean higher not equal to, doesn't do a thing.

Okay, so now what does work against that well weapon foci. Weapon foci can actually do something to the vampire.

Now the other thing, I believe spells aren't normal weapons. Or at least I don't consider them.

Finally the vampire has to not roll a 1 when it gets D damage.

If he takes nervous tissue type D damage that is either a 1 or a 2.

Needless to say the character's decided after firing HMG, Vindicators, and a few other things not to engage the vampire. Ohh and APDS doesn't improve the bullets ability to penetrate armor because the vampire isn't armored.

As I figured my inexperienced players did not try to do anything with the abundent amount of trees that were blown away. I mean nicely cut stakes were all over the place....

But an infected mage still takes damage if he is astral.

Force the guy to astrally perceive and there you have it.

Being the shaman I am, I must ask... wouldn't a nice big chunky stunblast knock the b'jesus out of the vamp?
Granted there's the resisting and all that fun stuff, but just HOW fast do they regen? If I blast it with a S base Stunbolt and Nova statrs pumping APDS into the thing and Gauge decides to grace us with his presence (fraggin deckers) and opens up with an ingram and Legs opens up with one of the beasts mounted on his vehicles, how fast will it jump back up to it's feet?

Kong

If none of you or if all your damage combined don't push it into the D zone? The next round. All damage is regen.

Literally, for vampires, you need a one shot, one kill capability. Doesn't help if some of them have Immunity to Normal Weapons.

If you manage to surprise it and can unload all that damage before it goes misty and fades away?

Maybe.

-Siege

let's talk mist then, can anything affect the mist? Is it astral? Can you use a wind spell against the mist? Is the mist dual? Astral? Why am I asking all these questions? because all my books are at Novas, so there.

Sunday

Wind should work at moving the mist (oopposed if the vampire is trying not to move...), and if you get thi mist in contact with something a vampire is allergic to, it becomes physical.

Can you freeze mist? Or vapourise it? Or can you catch a small part of that mist and seal it up to "split" up the vampire.

Ritual sample? yeah, it would work for that... but the vamp would know it... and I doubt your house is airtight... and you have to go home sometime

Just smack the fucker up with your friendly neighborhood 20Str dual Dikoted spur-wielding cyclops adept. And if he keeps running away, make a team of runners consisting of nothing but 20Str dual Dikoted spur-wielding cyclops adepts.

[Edit]Or actually, make those 22Str dual Dikoted spur-wielding ghoul cyclops adepts instead.[/Edit]

Only one solution ... Naval Weapon ... this inpronuncable 150 Kg Railgun
Slug in the head....

A double tap with a Light Naval Gun. It is the only one that fires in SA, so if your rigger has a VCR, he can double tap per initiative pass. Or bursts with an ANDREWS. And an ANDREWS isn't a normal weapon(as in Immunity to Normal Weapons).

Anyone who read through the ocean section of Target: Wastelands should know that wind DOES effect mist... <shudder>

Someone really needs to make up some crossfire and "missed shot" rules.

-Siege

But those "missed" rules aren't Canon.

Or cannon?

Granted, they'd be house rules to be sure, but it would make combat a lot more fun.

-Siege

Wonder if you could make special anti-vampire railgun rounds that were coated in wood, or had wood tips.

If you're a NICE GM (waits for the laughter to die down) you can say that losing a limb includes damage to the nervous system, and that limb can't be regenerated. Seems like if you're willing to ignore the numbers, a slugg-o bat to the back will leave your vamp in a wheelchair 'til the day he dies (for the second time). Light does extra damage, iirc, so use the laser spell. Otherwise, you just need to be tricky : ) Control thoughts, put silver tacks in his coffin, a realistic manequin filled with ketchup (imagine the look on his face when he bites into her!) Fun stuff like that.