No, i was wrong, it's not an MMO, there were plans to do it, but because of the whole legalese hassle, nobody really did it . . even if some people got started on one . . several times actually . .
And interplay only has the license to sell fallout 1, fallout 2 and i think maybe fallout tactics untill december 31st 2012 . . afterwards, all rights are completely in bethesdas side of the court . .
And the game i was thinking of, with MIT and Boston, is F4 it seems.

I would love to see an F3/FNV total-conversion remake of the first two Fallout titles. Love, love, LOVE to see that.

everybody would, but that is impossible to do . .

Nah, it's not impossible. It'd just be a whole HELL of a lot of work, plus the difficulty of securing the rights to it all. But if you got those rights, had the ability to create teh art assets needed, and could/would/did put in the time necessary to build all the locations and script all the content .... it's certaily possible.

...

I'd pay $40 or $50 for a F1/F2 conversion built on FNV's base. Maybe more.

I'd rather see the turn-based Fallout games stay exactly that thanks. The new ones don't do it for me.

*nods* i kinda miss that too . .
which is why i have high hopes in srr and wasteland 2 . . no idea how they are going to work with sro . .

Hey, I liked them too. But the new, first-person Fallouts do work just fine for me, and I'd love to revisit the old haunts, without having to revisit the old bugs, and while enjoying all the things my modern GPU is capable of.

Not any more. They had to show they were working on it, and were unable to do so in front of a Judge when they fought to get the IP back. (It's a long, convoluted story.).

So any Fallout stuff we see will be from Bethesda, and will likely be single-player, which makes me happy.

I knew about the lawsuit, hadn't heard that they were unable to provide evidence of work on the project. I'm happy that Bethesda has the rights then as I've enjoyed their first person installments of the series. Even if I am looking more forward to Wasteland 2 than Fallout 4.

You know... Every time I think of Fallout 4, I like to joke to myself that it'll take place in the snow-covered ruins of New York City or some other east coast city, just so they can reuse stuff that was developed for Skyrim. Wouldn't be such a bad thing far as I'm concerned. Less potato faces and more dual-wielding plasma pistols!

I'd rather they keep it Pacific oriented, but that leaves plenty of parts of California that snow, or if it's further in the timeline and assumes that the NCR still exists and has expanded, perhaps in Colorado.

Jacobstown looked like a nice place to live.

Even Deathclaws wouldn't hassle you there!

Well, the talking deathclaws were nice too . .

The talking deathclaws in V13 are all dead (save for maybe Goris, depending on how long Deathclaws live). What other ones were there?

none sadly . .
they cut off a good hook with them.
same with the robots in tactics.
and in F3 the enclave . .

... Boston, maybe. Gets more snow than NYC. Has some interesting features around it, that could be incorporated into the map (speaking of the map, I'm hoping for Skyrim-esque expansiveness. FNV was a nice size, but even it was awfully cramped, IMO).

The Navy Yards in Charlestown (and whatever twisted parody of the U.S.S. Constitution they put in there) would be interesting to visit.

There's also a plethora of old forts and other military installations in the immediate area - Fort Independance on Castle Island; Fort Warren on George's Island; Fort Andrews on Peddocks Island - and a namesake, but very separate, Fort Andrew in Plymouth, MA; Fort Banks in Winthrop (the Command Post for Boston Harbor Defense in WW2; later the site of Nike SAM batteries in the 1950s); Fort Heath on Grover's Cliff in Winthrop (the Air-Defense command post for Boston Harbor in the 1960s); Fort Revere in Hull; Fort Strong on Long Island (in Boston Harbor, not the big New York one!); the Watertown Arsenal (in use until 1968) ...

Yeah, pretty extensive list to choose from. Any one of them could become the center for a strong, well-defended community. Or a band of raiders.

MIT.
Brotherhood.

Definitely yes.

Also, McLean Hospital (psychiatric hospital with sprawling, wooded grounds and a dozen or more buildings). And Harvard, too.

Philadelphia. The home of liberty, and birthplace of America. Be a great place to end it.

Anyway, Interplay sub-licensed out the MMO to another company, and that company still has legal rights to make it, but Interplay doesn't. It's wierd.

Further, 'Interplay' is Chuck Cueves. The asshole who got attatched to multiple products that no one really liked, and the same guy who gutted the company both literally (he started carrying computers out of the building) and figuratively.

.... why do you want to END the Fallout franchise?!?

Also, Philadelphia is not IMO "the birthplace of America". That would be Massachusetts, and especially Lexington Green. "Short heard 'round the world" and all that, yeah?

Philly is certainly the birthplace of the Constitution, though.

Give me a blown out Los Angeles County through Orange County to sift through. The furthest south we really got in FO1 was Bakersfield (which was Necropolis). Although Adytum/Boneyard was supposed to be part of LA.

In my opinion (being a big fan of the first two games) Bethesda butchered FO. NV was good, but they also had the original team work on it, so, it made sense that it was good. I'd rather see it stay dead then mutilated further.



I mean, there's other places to claim it. Virginia, for instance. But going into google, the internet seems to agree with my personal visits to the area, Philadelphia is the birthplace of America. Still, i'm in no mood to start a dick swinging fight.

I'm a huge fan of FO1, and of FO2. I am also a huge fan of FO3, and FNV. I like the FPS approach, and while FO3 is an admittedly rocky start to the franchise, I thoroughly enjoyed it nonetheless.



*shrug* Maybe my opinion is based on actually standing on the same street-corners where things like Patrick Henry's "give me Liberty, or give me Death" speech happened; ducking through doors in Paul Revere's own home; walking on the grass where the first shots of the Revolution were fired. To me, that's where "America" was born.

Philadelphia certainly has the distinction of being where the First Continental Congress convened, and where the Declaration of Independence was penned.

But I value blood a bit higher than ink, so for my part I shall go with "where the first patriots put their lives on the line to fight British oppression with blood and steel" as the proper birthplace of the Nation.


Nor am I. What, I can't disagree without it being a fight?

This is the Internet, it has to be a fight, because SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET!!!

I played the original two games afore I played FO3, and despite a few reservations (Mostly about the glitchy engine), I like all forms of it. The FPS version gives a better immersion for the character in my mind, but the 3/4 view allows for better tactical control.

I've just played Fallout 3/NV to death, and really need a distraction right now...

Were you playing it on the PC with JE Sawyer's mod that I had linked previously? The wasteland will never feel safe again

I find myself unable to assign less than 110% agreement to this.

The only problem I have with 3 and NV is that I tend to lone wolf. I hate dealing with party members, and in general would rather just not. 1 and 2, well...I gotta have someone to sacrifice on my run down the coast to get my power armor.

Even in 1 and 2, I went Lone Wolf. Was always just too much of a PITA trying to keep some crap-for-brains NPC alive; having a companion actually made most combats HARDER for me, as a result.

RIP Dogmeat.

Only in FO. in FO2 he was ungodly. (undogly).

But yes, NPCs in FO were just as likely to hit you (love of burst fire) as they were the enemy. In FO2 you had a little more control over them and one of my favorite things to do was to have Goris, both cyberdogs, and Dogmeat.

i liked having the fallout boy as a companion . . and the paria dog was an incredibly assholish thing to code in, but also kinda fun . .

Oh gods, that damn Pariah dog. Although a 10 luck, jinxed, unarmed or melee character could be really successful in FO2.

I'm re-installing FO3, plus a ton of mods. Since I haven't played it in a few years, I feel like the mods, harder difficulty setting, etc. should make it feel like new to me.

I also realized my kid is big enough to play Fallout 1 now, so I"m downloading and setting up that and Never Winter Nights for him to choose between (I was going to do Baldur's Gate 1, but the amount of 'explore this empty space' I think might bore him).

I know my constant spear-wielding FO2 character went quite far in FO2!

Yeah, "If i have to suffer, i will make DAMN SURE that YOU have to suffer too!"

Heh, the best part of Fallout 1 and 2 were the humor things. the random encounters. but for that, you have to know a bit of random trivia to enjoy it . .

yeah, a bit sad that there was so little to mod close combat weapons . .
the only higher end close combat weapons were the ripper(imi chain knife) and the power-fist and the super sledge . . not that you would ever need more than this, but still sad that there was no modding for these . .
the ranged weapons could be modded with some stuff even back then already . . and the variety was much bigger . .

Power fist in FO2 -> Mega Power Fist. It owns.

ah, right, i forgot about that one . .
to be honest, i never much bothered with close combat stuff in f1 and f2.
as soon as i had a relatively good supply of ammo, i was shooting everything.
guns, in fallout, are the big equalizer . . so the deathclaw can kill you in one hit?
who cares, if you let it get too close with guns available, it's your own fault <.<

Gauss rifle was the big equalizer for small guns users, but you couldn't get any until San Francisco. Unless you were brave enough to try and get a G11E from Mel or the one Morton brother. Whereas for energy weapons you can just take a plasma rifle over to good ol' Algernon in Reno for a turbo plasma rifle.

Actually, that reminds me to gripe about power armor in FO3 and NV - it bothers me that it slows you down significantly. Maybe if you stripped the servos in it or something, but otherwise once you have proper training to wear it you should be moving normal speed, after all, you never lost APs for wearing it (well, or any armor) in FO or FO2.

get the plasma to turbo, then go to mel or the morton brothers, kill who's in the way and take the gauss rifle.
there is, literally, no question that can not be answered by a bolt of super heated gas to the face.

@Stahlseele
Well, close combat sucked hard in fallout 2, if you ask me. Only starting the game hand to hand combat had some value to beat up rats, radscorpions and ants.

The gauss rifle was just to darn superior to even consider. And if you made your way to the avarage firearms, there were no unarmed or melee to match them.

I mean the way of combat:
Fallout1:
Unarmed, guns (after having read some magazins), ENERGY FOR THE WIN (modified plasma rifle was over the top))
Fallout2:
Unarmed, guns, energy, guns (Or if you followed an other playthrough: Unarmed, guns, guns, guns)
Fallout tactics:
Guns, Guns, guns, Energy+guns.
Fallout 3:
What you found.
Fallout New Vegas:
What you found.

@X-Kalibur
You could get a gauss pistol in the Military base. And I found a gave which hold a gauss pistol or a gauss rifle.


Well, fallout 3 and new vegas made a big jump considering armor and weapons in general.
In the older Fallouts the more high tech it got, the more bang you got (and the later you found it in game)
In Fallout New Vegas it may happen, that you finish half of the game with never changing your weapon...

... Red Ryder LE BB Gun. The only effectively silenced gun in the game.

Alternately, the .223 FMJ was a pretty damned effective gun.


See Fallout 1.


Crafted dart gun. Ultimate cheese, made from old toys and bug parts.


Oh, yes. Very much so.

With New Vegas it really depended on what sort of "build" you were going for. By the time you hit the strip and get the chip you can get whatever weapon you want. This includes getting past deathclaws with a stealth boy and heading straight to the strip; namely because you can easily have 4 snowglobes for 8000 caps. (goodsprings, fort mormon, test site, vault 21).

The BB was good, but quite hidden. Sierra depots last level using computer...
Actually by the time I found it I had around 3 Power armors and at least 2 Gaussrifles...
Great for NPC, though. Cheap and light ammo.

Did not play it so long... So as I had the Questgiven Plasma rifle, I stick to it. (Oh, and I stoll the laser pistol from the big boss..)

@X-Kalibur
Well, it also depends on the mods/packeges you used.
The auto-recharger pistol from the gunrunners arsenal was quite handy for close range combat. Long range would be the gauss rifle or an modified or special sniper rifle.
If you got mods to mod special weapons all hell broke loose...

.... or get lucky with the right Random Encounter.

If you're relying on getting lucky, Alien Blaster, all the way.

Only if you planned to work Energy Weapons up. If your Small Guns is seventy or mroe points higher than Energy Weapons ... I'll take the .223 or LE BB gun, any day.

I much preferred the upgraded holorifle to the gauss rifle, even the special one. For one (well, 2) main reasons. Holorifle with full mods doesn't degrade, even after patches, so you can fire max overcharge cells without worry, and you only reload it after every 4 shots instead of every shot. Also, Gauss scope always felt off to me, even in FO3.

The special recharger pistol was nice, can't remember if it counts as a laser for the Laser Commander perk, otherwise the special laser rifle from Vault... 12? 5? The one with the plants. Along with the Laser Pistol from collecting the Star Sunset caps were ridiculously powerful and the only plasma weapon that could compete was the Plasma Caster.

For regular guns it again depended on perks. Going the Cowboy route? Brush gun and a ranger sequoia handled most problems (also Lucky and Mysterious magnum to round out ammo usage, and even That Gun is considered a revolver). Grunt route of course you have the All-American and Light Shining in the Darkness as stand outs along with the Battle Rifle (forgot survivalist rifle, it rocks). Putting snipers into their own category for a moment, only 3 come to mind - Gobi (degrades slowly, no silencer), Cristine's COS (silenced, degrades quickly) and the Anti-materiel rifle (with GRA mods - sound suppression).

I will note, that Chance's Knife, already considered one of the best melee weapons in the game - boosted by both Grunt AND Cowboy. I still love using an unarmed character alongside logan's loophole though. Hit whatever drugs you want and go to town wailing on them with a power fist or ballistic fist or your goddamned bare hands if you want. You want to be a real man? Kill a deathclaw bare handed!

@X-Kalibur
Yeah, it did counted for laser commander.... (Add to this the bonusdamage from having ED with you...)
(And as the gauss rifle a great damage per AP ratio...)
My holorifle always degraded....Anyhow, I always used vigilant recycler. Optimized energy cells had even less weight...

gauss rifle has a good damage per AP... Good range, too.



Yeah, I made my second playthrough with the rebalance mod... (meaning no HP per level only body bonus)
Deathclaws pretty much killed you with 1-3 hits. So hand to hand with a deathclaw was never an option for my. Espacially playing on very hard...


You could find that early on, if you can avoid cazadores ...

But I ought to say, if you go melee go gehenna with pyro...
@almost normal

Alienblaster ain't that good. Gauss has much higher range and better armor penetration...

Implant GRX and/or turbo. Bonus time from Logan's Loophole, Day Tripper, and Chemist. Plus those expand the amount of slowed down time. Turbo only lasts 2 or 3 real seconds, but time is stretched while you use it. Combine that with the slayer perk, penetrating strike, and some psycho and you're looking at a good chance to down a deathclaw with your bare hands. (As for the holorifle, for some reason with all 3 upgrades on it, it will never decay at all, but only with all 3 installed. Even after every patch.)

The advantage to the alien blaster was the low AP cost and close, but high, damage range. Assuming you're talking FO1 and 2 which also meant you needed luck to find it. I'd never waste the trait on it for New Vegas (limited ammo) but it was awesome for FO3 if you didn't have Mothership Zeta installed. You could grab it at a super low level and run to any place with deathclaws and make short work of them.

@X-Kalibur
I am not doubting that... But deathclaws come in packs most of the time...

So it takes quite a bid of preparation. Find single death claw, make sure it is alone, do drugs and then attack.