I'm happy to see Kickstarter going, "Frag that!" and bringing PC back! With Mac and Linux support, to boot!
Full Version: Shadowrun: Returns is live
Everything has its place, the problem is that marketing is aiming at Consoles almost solely now, with PC games being a port from a console-designed title.
I'm happy to see Kickstarter going, "Frag that!" and bringing PC back! With Mac and Linux support, to boot!
I'm happy to see Kickstarter going, "Frag that!" and bringing PC back! With Mac and Linux support, to boot!
Updated the backer rewards - so many character portraits to choose from, so many awesome characters we wanted to immortalise...but in the end, it was R4tH, the hacker and general creepy bastard that's rewarded the Kickstarter on behalf of Red Seven Security Concepts
-Here's hoping,
-Tir.
-Here's hoping,
-Tir.
huh?
QUOTE (_Pax._ @ Apr 10 2013, 10:23 PM) 
Steam solved an entire "problem" for them with existing tech. That problem was "how do we provide a searchable, safe repository of community-generated content for our fans?" The solution was, "the Steam Workshop."
Oh, Steam is no doubt the easiest platform, and putting a game on the most widespread platform makes perfect sense from an economic POV. But after they already make the game for half a dozen platforms and distribution systems, they could have gone the extra mile and added a fully functional version over a Steam alternative.
It's certainly not something to bitch about and demand your money back, but after all the talk about the joys of going independent it would have been nice to provide a full alternative for those who like to keep the number of eggs in the Steam basket small.
isn't steam trying to port everything to Linux ? as well as having OSX titles ?
and I see it as a VERY astute move to use "the peoples" channel to distribute your wares rather than either selling out to a publishing house OR trying to do it yourself and incurring massive costs and runnign the risk of it massively failing on day one !
and I see it as a VERY astute move to use "the peoples" channel to distribute your wares rather than either selling out to a publishing house OR trying to do it yourself and incurring massive costs and runnign the risk of it massively failing on day one !
Honestly the main draw to SR:R for me was the tablet option. I don't use my laptop for playing games (I used to play WoW on it, but got very tired of that game). I find the idea if a single player game on my portable device to be refreshing. When I want to play games or watch movies/TV I fire up my PS3. The only thing my PC sees for work now is email and P&P Shadowrun. I'll still create a Steam account and install my "free" backer copy of SR:R but I really don't know how much play it'll get. I'll probably play with the editor a bit though.
I really don't have room in my house for a full-on computer desk for game playing, and I find the chairs to be uncomfortable. Meh.
Still looking forward to June.
I really don't have room in my house for a full-on computer desk for game playing, and I find the chairs to be uncomfortable. Meh.
Still looking forward to June.
QUOTE (DMiller @ Apr 11 2013, 07:44 PM)
I really don't have room in my house for a full-on computer desk for game playing, and I find the chairs to be uncomfortable. Meh.
Got an HDTV?
Get a lap desk, and a wireless KB+M setup. Hook the PC to your big TV. Play from the comfort of your couch.
QUOTE (_Pax._ @ Apr 12 2013, 11:25 AM)
Got an HDTV?
Get a lap desk, and a wireless KB+M setup. Hook the PC to your big TV. Play from the comfort of your couch.
Get a lap desk, and a wireless KB+M setup. Hook the PC to your big TV. Play from the comfort of your couch.
This is more-or-less what I was doing with WoW. But using the keyboard is very uncomfortable in this position. I used a multi-button controller in my left hand and mouse in my right, both positioned on the arms of my recliner. It does work well, but the touch display on my tablet is much better and more comfortable.
Gaming on a PC means spending as much on the game system as I could on a used car. For that kind of money I'd rather travel than play a game. My laptop + PS3 + tablet cost less than most "gaming" desktops. Besides HDTV's have such low resolutions compared to even my laptop monitor, really not a great place to play PC-based games.
My HDTV just gives people a way to enjoy my games a lot better than I can. 
I have to suffer with just a monitor.
I have to suffer with just a monitor.
QUOTE (DMiller @ Apr 11 2013, 08:38 PM)
This is more-or-less what I was doing with WoW. But using the keyboard is very uncomfortable in this position. I used a multi-button controller in my left hand and mouse in my right, both positioned on the arms of my recliner. It does work well, but the touch display on my tablet is much better and more comfortable.
Gaming on a PC means spending as much on the game system as I could on a used car. For that kind of money I'd rather travel than play a game. My laptop + PS3 + tablet cost less than most "gaming" desktops. Besides HDTV's have such low resolutions compared to even my laptop monitor, really not a great place to play PC-based games.
Gaming on a PC means spending as much on the game system as I could on a used car. For that kind of money I'd rather travel than play a game. My laptop + PS3 + tablet cost less than most "gaming" desktops. Besides HDTV's have such low resolutions compared to even my laptop monitor, really not a great place to play PC-based games.
You drive some awful, awful used cars. Like 600 clunkers.
A good, solid gaming PC does NOT cost thousands of dollars, or even one thousand.
But nothing wrong with that you want to do with your money
QUOTE (Bigity @ Apr 11 2013, 10:53 PM)
A good, solid gaming PC does NOT cost thousands of dollars, or even one thousand.
Truth. While yes, you can spend a tremendous amount of money on a computer (like I did), you don't HAVE to, tohave a machine capable of playing most games, at modest graphics settings.
On another forum I specced out a pretty decent machine - not bleeding edge, but reasonably-good for games if you don't mind the graphics being tuned to 4 or 5 (out of 10). Came to about $500, sans monitor. And not one piece of it was used, second-hand, or off-brand/garbage, either. Give me a few, and I'll try and track that post down, for a bit of cut-and-paste magic.
Aha. Here we go; the original post is here: http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?2...376#post2831376
In brief:
XFX branded Radeon HD 5450
Intel Core i3, 3.1GHz dual-core
4GB f Kingston RAM
250GB HDD from WD
80+ certified 600W Silverstone PSU (possibly more than needed *shrug*)
DVD drive
Thermaltake case and a few extra fans
.... that came to just under $500. Add $100 for an OS, then another ... $50, let's say, for a good Wireless KB+M.
...
And while I'm (still) not up to assembling something myself, that's not a horribad shopping list AFAIK. Not for an entry-level gaming PC, for sure.
In brief:
XFX branded Radeon HD 5450
Intel Core i3, 3.1GHz dual-core
4GB f Kingston RAM
250GB HDD from WD
80+ certified 600W Silverstone PSU (possibly more than needed *shrug*)
DVD drive
Thermaltake case and a few extra fans
.... that came to just under $500. Add $100 for an OS, then another ... $50, let's say, for a good Wireless KB+M.
...
And while I'm (still) not up to assembling something myself, that's not a horribad shopping list AFAIK.
Not for an entry-level gaming PC, for sure.
Looks like a decent system, and a fair price. I have built a PC from ground up (big box-o-parts into a working model). I just don't consider myself a video gamer anymore. I'm someone who enjoys playing games sometimes, but not a gamer.
Maybe that's why I like my PS3 for games so much. Turn it on, play, turn it off, go outside (uhoh... outside... what's that!?!
)
Thanks for all the input guys. I'll be doing the Steam thing (sigh), but I'll probably buy another copy from the Play Store and play most of the time on my tablet.
Maybe that's why I like my PS3 for games so much. Turn it on, play, turn it off, go outside (uhoh... outside... what's that!?!
)Thanks for all the input guys. I'll be doing the Steam thing (sigh), but I'll probably buy another copy from the Play Store and play most of the time on my tablet.
Honestly, I may buy a copy from the Play Store, too .... for my g/f's tablet, which I do occasionally borrow.
Yup, I'm going in for the PC and tablet versions myself.
Though I got Baldur's Gate on my iPad and rarely play it anymore.
Though I got Baldur's Gate on my iPad and rarely play it anymore.
Well, just got my email to confirm all my details for rewards. Uploaded a pic for the docwagon card, picked out my t-shirt (the "blue skull" shirt, if you're curious), filled out my mailing address, and .... now it's just a waiting game.
QUOTE (_Pax._ @ Apr 12 2013, 09:13 AM)
Well, just got my email to confirm all my details for rewards. Uploaded a pic for the docwagon card, picked out my t-shirt (the "blue skull" shirt, if you're curious), filled out my mailing address, and .... now it's just a waiting game.
Done the same myself, although I had to fight with the image, and got three shirts. 
I'm going to plop my DocWagon card down the next time someone asks me for my Health Card.
*nods*
did image and chose 3 shirts as well.
did image and chose 3 shirts as well.
The image was easy for me - I had three good "head shots" lurking in my FaceBook profile pics, so I just chose the one I liked best this week.
As for people screaming FOUL because of Steam:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/161326...ns/posts/453037
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/161326...ns/posts/453037
QUOTE
• To reiterate, our Backers don’t have to choose a DRM-free version of the game or a Steam version of the game. You get both.
• Backers who want a DRM-free experience with Shadowrun Returns (on Windows, OSX, and Linux) are getting the game, editor and all, and will be able to transfer community-created story files and update executables manually. (It works just like a non-Steam version of Skyrim: you can install mods manually or via a 3rd-party tool such as Nexus.) The DRM-free version will not require any internet connection or any form of online authorization to play. In addition, Backers who like the convenience and reliability of Steam and who want automatic updates, easy-to-browse content, and a DLC store are getting them.
• We said that post-Berlin Campaign DLC would only be available on Steam but we never said why. We regret the omission. The reason is that our license to develop Shadowrun Returns actually requires that the game and its DLC be distributed under DRM. This didn’t come up earlier because the situation was complicated by the number of parties involved in the license and because the process was “ongoing”. Ultimately, we were able to successfully negotiate an exception with Microsoft for us to provide our Backers with a DRM-free version of the Kickstarter rewards (specifically the game and the Berlin Campaign) but that exception does not extend to non-reward DLC. So unfortunately, we cannot sell or give away DRM-free versions of the game or DLC on stores like GoG, and that’s why any future Shadowrun Returns DLC will only be available for purchase on Steam.
• We will be updating/bugfixing the DRM-free versions (Windows, OSX, and Linux) of Shadowrun Returns, maintaining them along with the Steam versions. These updates will require Backers to re-download the game from the Harebrained Account Website, since it will not include auto-patching functionality
• Backers who want a DRM-free experience with Shadowrun Returns (on Windows, OSX, and Linux) are getting the game, editor and all, and will be able to transfer community-created story files and update executables manually. (It works just like a non-Steam version of Skyrim: you can install mods manually or via a 3rd-party tool such as Nexus.) The DRM-free version will not require any internet connection or any form of online authorization to play. In addition, Backers who like the convenience and reliability of Steam and who want automatic updates, easy-to-browse content, and a DLC store are getting them.
• We said that post-Berlin Campaign DLC would only be available on Steam but we never said why. We regret the omission. The reason is that our license to develop Shadowrun Returns actually requires that the game and its DLC be distributed under DRM. This didn’t come up earlier because the situation was complicated by the number of parties involved in the license and because the process was “ongoing”. Ultimately, we were able to successfully negotiate an exception with Microsoft for us to provide our Backers with a DRM-free version of the Kickstarter rewards (specifically the game and the Berlin Campaign) but that exception does not extend to non-reward DLC. So unfortunately, we cannot sell or give away DRM-free versions of the game or DLC on stores like GoG, and that’s why any future Shadowrun Returns DLC will only be available for purchase on Steam.
• We will be updating/bugfixing the DRM-free versions (Windows, OSX, and Linux) of Shadowrun Returns, maintaining them along with the Steam versions. These updates will require Backers to re-download the game from the Harebrained Account Website, since it will not include auto-patching functionality
Important part: The license requires the game to be distributed with DRM, the backer rewards (and only those, not any further DLC) are an exception. Though I reserve the right to believe they did not just take so long to spill the beans because "the number of parties involved in the license and because the process was 'ongoing'"
On the plus side, manual mod sharing/installation is confirmed.
On the plus side, manual mod sharing/installation is confirmed.
Read the FAQ too.
Backers get at least 3 Steam Keys for both the Game and the Berlin DLC.
Backers get at least 3 Steam Keys for both the Game and the Berlin DLC.
To be fair ... no, we probably get only one KEY. But, that single key will give us ownership of all three versions of the game - PC, Mac, and Linux.
That's how it works for at least one game I already own - Civ IV (and it's various iterations). I bought just the PC version, but I also got the Mac version as well.
That's how it works for at least one game I already own - Civ IV (and it's various iterations). I bought just the PC version, but I also got the Mac version as well.
Damn, that looks nice. I only wonder why they renamed Agents into ESP, except for a few jokes about hackers running ESP...
It looks a bit like TRON, that's enough for me ^^
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 27 2013, 09:32 AM)
It looks a bit like TRON, that's enough for me ^^
Needs more Lightcycles.
QUOTE (CanRay @ Apr 27 2013, 04:55 PM)
Needs more Lightcycles.
Maybe Community can can create some O.o
I would not put it past the IT Crowd at least ^^
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 27 2013, 03:32 PM)
It looks a bit like TRON, that's enough for me ^^
I still hope to see a full 3D matrix to float around in at will some day...but SRR never was the game for that and the Tron-trix is a billion times better than just an AR overlay, so I'm happy
Just preordered it on Steam, for only €12.59.
i'm tempted to do that as well, but i'll probably rather buy it via paysafe card and then gift to my buddies who are not kickstarters . .
QUOTE (Seriously Mike @ Apr 30 2013, 02:13 PM)
Just preordered it on Steam, for only €12.59.
Standard version is $17.99US, or $31.49US for the Deluxe.
I'm quite happy with the return-value for my $60 pledge through kickstarter - essentially, Deluxe version, plus t-shirt, extra DRM-free standalone copy, Docwagon card, and in-game DocWagon benny. Oh, and whatever the KS-backer special ability is.
I might be in Micronesia for a while. Does anyone know how they're planning to host a non-steam download?
As I understand it:
Kickstarter backers get emailed a download link fora DRM-free standalone version.
Non-backers can't, for the forseeable future, get a non-Steam version. At all.
Kickstarter backers get emailed a download link fora DRM-free standalone version.
Non-backers can't, for the forseeable future, get a non-Steam version. At all.
QUOTE (_Pax._ @ May 1 2013, 12:27 AM)
As I understand it:
Kickstarter backers get emailed a download link fora DRM-free standalone version.
Non-backers can't, for the forseeable future, get a non-Steam version. At all.
Kickstarter backers get emailed a download link fora DRM-free standalone version.
Non-backers can't, for the forseeable future, get a non-Steam version. At all.
Cool, I'll watch my email then.
.... next month, you mean? Game doesn't launch until June.
Pre-purchased but you can't pre-download
Oh well, not like's it is going to be a 7 GB monster or anything.
Oh well, not like's it is going to be a 7 GB monster or anything.
QUOTE (Bigity @ May 4 2013, 09:59 PM)
Pre-purchased but you can't pre-download
Oh well, not like's it is going to be a 7 GB monster or anything.
Oh well, not like's it is going to be a 7 GB monster or anything.
Wait, WTF, 7 GB?
QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ May 5 2013, 05:29 PM)
Wait, WTF, 7 GB?
High-end old skool graphics and voice work for everything! It's *NOT* 7 Gigs is what is being said.
QUOTE (CanRay @ May 5 2013, 06:51 PM)
High-end old skool graphics and voice work for everything!
It's *NOT* 7 Gigs is what is being said.
It's *NOT* 7 Gigs is what is being said.
"Yeah, we recorded all the voice lines as .wav files...."
I hope it doesn't turn out absolutely ginormous. As it is it took me almost a week to download DMC...
QUOTE (Sengir @ Apr 27 2013, 10:19 AM)
Damn, that looks nice. I only wonder why they renamed Agents into ESP, except for a few jokes about hackers running ESP...
There were no Agents in 2054.
Back then they were called either Frames (Smart Frames and Dumb Frames) or Semi-Autonomous Knowbots. Depending on the edition of Virtual Realities you were using.
Which doesn't explain the ESP thing. *shrug*
QUOTE (Bull @ May 9 2013, 06:26 AM)
There were no Agents in 2054.
Back then they were called either Frames (Smart Frames and Dumb Frames) or Semi-Autonomous Knowbots.
Back then they were called either Frames (Smart Frames and Dumb Frames) or Semi-Autonomous Knowbots.
Right, must have forgotten that we are in old-school land for a moment. But if those ESP turn out to be the equivalent of SKs, I'd be fine with the name change
new shadowrun game. cool beans
QUOTE (Hocus Pocus @ May 10 2013, 11:14 AM)
new shadowrun game. cool beans
Yeah, it got Kickstarted and we jacked the Stretch Goals up quite a bit!I'm wondering how the "Dragon Eating A Kitten" mission will go!
Phew... nearly missed the deadline for the photo-upload for my Doc-Wagon card. Had to self-photograph myself with my smartphone. I hope you all sent the information for your cards and T-Shirts and stuff?
Well, i think of this as 60 dollars well spent... Oh don't they DARE to mess this up *g*
Well, i think of this as 60 dollars well spent... Oh don't they DARE to mess this up *g*
I vote we pelt Mitch a hell of a lot more if they do. As he's the one that was part of the OTHER "Shadowrun" type game that was totally messed up, it's gotta be his fault!
Wonder if he realizes that he is the scapegoat for hire on that team . .
Character customization update! http://harebrained-schemes.com/post/chris-...ary-characters/
Thanks for mentioning it, i would have missed that otherwise.
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.