You have got to be kidding me. Some of the points are ridiculous.

The Ancient History of these ancient races are written in ancient texts. OMG get me Johnny Cochrain.

They both refer to Elderly vampires as Elders. Damn thiefs.

It is just cheap advertisement.

I'm fairly sure hiring lawyers and suing huge corporations isn't cheap, or 'free advertising.' Whether you think the suit is garbage or not, don't be silly enough to think that it's just a publicity stunt for White Wolf. There are cheaper ways to do that sort of thing, ways that don't involve risking looking like an asshole if they lose the suit.

Don't let Raccoon Avatar see that!

Sure, AV, like that.

Having read the book, and being the obscenely obsessive compulsive WW fan that I am, I have read the entirety, and quite a few of the listed numbers are complete and total BS, being totally generic, while others refer to a large number of "coinicidences" between individual characters.

Once the number of "coincidences" passes a certain threshold, I find it difficult to believe they're really coincidental. But then I've been accused of being paranoid.

wee!! LOL, i read through another on Friday and they literally took an entire paragraph every time they would have said the defendant's name in the foreclosure. it's downright insane. with computers these days they can just use a search/replace to write it but that doesn't help us read them any unless we get a softcopy of it to go along with the novel to reverse the process maybe i can invest in a good scanner that will scan to .txt


for those who don't have a job that "lets" them read such fun stuff, there's usually a section in the classifides for "Legals" that are very short versions, but you'll still get an idea of what he/we are talking about

IIRC, the Wachowski brothers directed the Matrix, not the Coen brothers...

If I'm giving an orange to a friend, I'd say "I'm giving you this orange."

A lawyer giving an orange to a friend might say:

"Know all men by these presents that I hereby give, grant, bargain, sell, release, convey, transfer, and quitclaim all my right, title, interest, benefit, and use whatever in, of, and concerning this chattel, otherwise known as an orange, or citrus orantium, together with all the appurtenances thereto of skin, pulp, pip, rind, seeds, and juice, to have and to hold the said orange together with its skin, pulp, pip, rind, seeds, and juice, for his own use and behoof, to himself and his heirs in fee simple forever, free from all liens, encumbrances, easements, limitations, restraints, or conditions whatsoever, any and all prior deeds, transfers or other documents whatsoever, now or anywhere made to the contrary notwithstanding, with full power to bite, cut, suck, or otherwise eat the said orange or to give away the same with or without its skin, pulp, pip, rind, seeds, or juice."

LMFAO!

sad... but true

ooops, double posted somehow.. no way to delete posts? sorry

i walked into my local comic store one night after a movie to see whats new. and theres a bunch of fruity lookin goths talkin funny and just... well, being fruity goths. anyway, long story short, its some kind of white wolf larp, i had to get out of there for my sanity. they were just talking in character, no action no nothing. it hurts to recollect

point: theres nothing worse than fruity goths roleplaying whiney, angsty immortal fruity goths.

reminds me of the old "goth talk" SNL sketches

*gasp!*

Not roleplayers roleplaying! We're dooommmeeeedddd!

You know theres is a lot of questionable things, but theres a lot of them. I think the most powerful evidence they have is the relationship the to characters have in common. They do seem very similar. Also the story seems to be the same. Is that an infringment? I don't know. It's why we have legale-speak.

Personally I think WW has a valid argument, even if it's untrue, they almost had to seek legale action. Think of it this way, if Underworld is successful, WW will never be able to make a movie because it's already been done. It's to unique of an idea to have to many movies come out about it.

"i'm azreal of the abyss, lord of darkness. i'm sad because i had to work a double shift at cinnabon!"

I think it's a good point that WW could be doing this to establish a tradition of defending the image.

Fygg, you should have just treated them like they were normal- don't bat an eye. They probably wanted some shock value, you should have just ignored it.

Such as WW's spelling of Jyhad, or their take on Gehenna as an event rather than a place of torment, perhaps?

Exactly

If it's in the film - I didn't catch it in the previously listed points - that's what's probably straight theft, if anything is. ("Probably", because anything could conceivably be coincidence ... even the extremely improbable. Hence the frequently used "reasonable doubt" phrase.)

First one to post on the film having seen it- woo-hoo!

The film was ok, basically my memory of it is dark and noisy. Vamps and Werewolves basically go at each other with guns. Guys will drool over the lead character running around in latex. All I could think of her after a while was "chaffe city."

I won't give away anything but the plot is propperly twisted, it is NOT a big romeo julliet line and I think the law suit is dead in the water. You see very little of humans apart from the opening bit and virtually nothing of the "special powers" of vamps. Apart from acrobatics like "Crouching Tiger'" leaping over things they seem just like humans with attitude, more bored yuppies than princes of the night.

Underworld blew absolute complete chunks. Sam and myself nearly walked out, it was that bad. The setting was half-baked, the characters flat, the script nasty, the action forgettable, the effects tolerable, the acting terrible. It was some 14 year old's first Vampire: the Masquerade game gone bad, with a budget and corsets.

And yet, as we walked out, eagerly ripping the movie to pieces, someone ahead of us said to a friend: "That movie was so scary! It's the best movie I've ever seen!"

Just wait for the sequel.

I am shivering with giddy anticipation!

Or the office is just a little cooler than usual today.

I didn't think it was quite that bad -- not incredible, but still amusing enough.

And yeah, the whole latex thing just looks silly. Maybe with a tad more contour.

Is it just me, or did the 'wolves seem completely inable to hit the vamp assault squad in the last sequence?

I will point out that given the tiny budget they had to work with (relatively), it wasn't half bad.

-Siege

I certainly don't object if they have a bigger budget and don't absolutely mangle what passes for a story line.

It was a neat fluff piece for goth kids to visualize vampire games and the like.

-Siege

I liked it, but it wasn't great. What was missing from this that was done better in even Blade 2 was the sense of other. THe only ones who gave you a sense they were more than human were this really big black guy werewolf from the opening shoot out- very big very nasty, Victor when he's pissed and weirdly enough, the little blond harpy. Other than that it could be a shadowrun as much as a fight between occult baddies.

I think the law suit is toast.

I actually liked it better than Blade 2 -- for as much money as they did spend on the special effects, the camera work for the gun fights was just _bad_.

Granted, the fight sequences weren't much better.

-Siege

Ugh, Underworld. It seemed like it was longer than Bad Boys II, and they didn't even invade Cuba.

ok, now i like leather/vynle/latex WHATEVER (catwoman was my first love) but JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST she owned nothing else, wheteher killing werewolves, drinving around shooting or cooking jiffypop thats all she wore.

if she wore a hockey jersey i would be happy.

now that is sexy

I think that's her combat suit (and a bit more functional than the little red number in "Resident Evil."). At several points for the party/reception she's told to change and at one point the little blond harpy brings a dress into her. I don't think it was so much tight budget or poor writing but they were actually making a statement here. She walks among the glittering party in their fine gowns and she's dressed like death/street sam/punk.

p... p... punk?

Down boy.

The whole black laytex look in a formal dinner party.

You'd wear soemthing like that not for a "Black tie" affair, but a "black tie down" affair.

Stop. You're reminding me of an old Madonna music video.

Still failing to see how it's punk. Rebellious, yes. Punk, no.

[BTW, correct spelling is 'latex', although 'laytex' is an amusing play on words...]

Well, she's supposed to be a "soldier" with the other deathdealers. Which explains why she's constantly in near-combat kit, I suppose.

And the fumbling affections of Kraven? would keep her out of anything vaguely approaching "non-kit", although I think she did wear a non-leather/laytex top at some point while looking up the archives.

-Siege

I said "punk" as attitude, not fashion.
Kraven tells her the whole soldier thing is getting old when he wants her to get dressed.

Would "Militant Goth" perhaps catch the correct mood?

I meant that she was striking out from the culture around her, effectively giving them the finger instead of following their accords.