Yeah I remember that, too. As I recall he was basically ignored. Apparently more attention was required.

I knew I shouldn't have bothered reading this thread.

AH, ignore him. Really.

The oh so sad thing is that he will never show his face again or actually take responsibility for the complete idiocy he has unleashed.

It looks like three people have voted Shake in as The New God. Assuming Shake himself is one, who are the other two? Come on, you can admit it... we'd never hurt you...

Don't blame me, I voted for Or.

I've had my laugh of the day. Thank you, Master Shake. You brought the funny.

God, I hope it was just for "the Funny"

Some three asshats.

Is it just me, or did anyone else have the horrible image of Master Shake, Frylock, and Meatwad controlling the Shadowrun Universe...

I didn't read the title very closely when I clicked on the thread, so I thought it was about modelling a character off of Shake at first.

My first thought was to start bobbing my head to a mental playback of the theme.

I watch that damn show too much.

If that happened I would vote to start a fund to pay for real shadowrunners to pay a visit to the head of a small game company....

So who said the people on Dumpshock can never agree on anything?

Christ.

Do us a favor, Shake, and pull your bottom lip up and over 'till you've swallowed your head.

Rob has been doing a damn fine job as it is.

Oh, don't bash MasterShake, he seems like he wants the best for SR. His best just isn't the best that is the best. Did that make sense?

I voted Or.

Where's MS's comments on the replys? Two days and nothing.

Thanos

It is absolutely clear that MS has a lot of passion for the SR universe and wants it to be a spectacular success. Kudos and more power to him.

I personally applaud the courage it took to post this stuff when he knows there are a lot of very opinionated and knowledgeable people on this board, as long as he didn't have to get drunk to do it.

I fault him only on the language of his delivery (Godhood? Over the top to say the least) and a relatively unrealistic view of salaries. Everyone has their opinions, and they are entitled to them. No one has to agree unless they want to.

On the plus side, everyone can run the mood of their game how they want. I like street level and relatively low power, others prefer elite and world altering. Some like Robin Hooding, others prefer playing criminals at best and sociopaths at worst. Shadowrun has more than enough room for everyone to do what they want in all the colors of the rainbow. The rules, while deep and complex at times, are only there for us to use as we see fit. I take a lot of pleasure out of using the rules as they are written and figuring out the logic behind them, others may see them as too complex and want to simplify them. Fine. There is no gaming cop that is going to stop me or you from doing what we want in the privacy of our own homes as it applies to Shadowrun. (Cons and sponsored events are a totally different story and should be dealt with in another topic if at all).

While I disagree with MS about the conclusions he has drawn about the universe needing new atmosphere and the job the line developer is doing, I fully support his right to say it. And I fully support his right to run his games however the heck he wants, with whatever alterations to rules he wants, and with whomever is willing to play with him.

I would love to hear MS's response to this thread's posts and I hope he is not completely turned off of DS by the negativity towards him personally. Perhaps I am too empathetic to MS than is deserved, especially if his intent was to start a flame war or just get some attention, but my impression is that he anticipated more support at least of the moral support variety that he recieved. Maybe next time his initial post will not be as inflamatory.

Do bear in mind that this isn't his first post on the boards ... he's been involved in some, ahem, memorable discussion.

He does have some interesting things to say, though, but I'd agree that the delivery is less than constructive.

Well, I hate to be someone to jump on the bandwagon so late in the postings, but what the hell?! Who is Shake anyhow?

M.S. is this guy. That thread in a nuthshell: "I've got it all figured out!" "Well, this bit here is debatable..." "No it's not!" "Yes it is!" "You're dumb!" "You're dumb!" "The two of you, here's how it actually happened: ..." "Fuck you, you're all dumb!" "Fuck you, you're even dumber!" "That's it kids, thread locked."

One could make a good case that M.S. is also this guy. And, more to the point, this guy.

I'd vote to have the Sons of Sauron AND Humanis lynch mob Shake should he ever become line developer.

Without knowledge passion is, at best, useless, and at worst, dangerous.

Next, someone will say that there's no such thing as a stupid question or idea.

Indeed, there is no such thing as a stupid question. Just stupid people.

At the very least we've got to give it to Master Shake for this rare show of unity. I can't remember the last time someone brought so much concensus to the Dumpshock community.

Master Shake = Target in mote than just number of posts. I vote this thread locked, to vanish into obscurity. I agree with a few of his statements, but hope he does not get the job he wants.




Synner, I think most people on the boards can agree on a few things. Pissing of dragons is bad. Deus was not out to help humanity. Demon rats do not make good pets. [edit] Maybe for rat shaman

Crimson, I disagree that passion is at best useless unless you intended the without knowledge to be part of that (i.e. "passion is useless without knowledge"). Also, passion is useful even without knowledge. Think of all the easily manipulated people we can use if we make them passionate for our cause...

[insert evil laught here]

Again, I disagree that I am building on quicksand.

How do you think political parties, popular movements, and pretty much any fad product works? A lot of people's passions are inflamed by a knowledgeable few, and those passions are channeled into whatever action/direction the knowledgeable few want it to be.

Your argument to me then may well be that the knowledge involved is not possesed by the passionate person in my example, and therefore your point is made by your adverse party in this little mini-debate. I am putting a finer distinction in place, that the knowledge does not have to be posessed by the person who is poassionate for it to be useful.

That is my take on it.

Sorry about the alliteration.

It wasn't. You've covered my major bases; I'll go back over it in more detail after work.

~J

I stand by my statement without further explanation.

i think i'd throw my hat in with Kagetenshi (and Moon-Hawk's) views on Deus...

besides, it makes for a much more interesting story, and a common theme in science fiction...

oh, and you have to use Ohio now for voting examples...we did much better than them this time...