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Solstice
My players are very fond of tossing grenades everywhere. So I thought of the idea of a thick weighted kevlar blanket that a response team might toss over a grenade. Stupid idea? Very possible. Think it might work? Should I be tossed over the grenade instead? Comments wanted from someone who may know like materials engineers or something.
Toptomcat
It'd work, if they tossed it right. Kinda tough to toss blankets accurately and speedily.
Also very heavy. And unreliable. And short-ranged.
Practicable but not well.
Mr.Sinister
I'm not an expert on explosives or anything, but your idea seems very valid to me. If a response team has a blanket type covering made of Kevlar material with maybe some hardened armor plates so it looks like a very heavy quilt - I think it would work. After all, there are many stories on the US Army's website about people who have won the Medal of Honor (posthumously) for diving on a grenade to save others. A really reinforced blanket made of Kevlar and hardened plates should be able to simulate a "body" and negate/severly reduce the effects of a grenade. Good idea!

EDIT: As an afterthought, I don't know how often the "blast-blanket" could be used. Twice, sure - three times, may reduce the blast, but not negate it - four times, well, it's not going to do much. Five, well, five is right out.
Toptomcat
I know that bomb squads use something similar.
Kanada Ten
I like it, but the chances of having the blanket on hand is low. Maybe some kind of Steel Lynx drone that leaps onto them or something? If you have magic security toss an Earth Elemental over it.

With magic, an LOS version of Fling works well against grenades. So does sealing it in a barrier, etc.
Mr.Sinister
Isn't "Fling" a Range:Touch spell that propels the item from the caster's hand? Levitate would work, and not even at a high level since the weight of the grenade is not that much. I can't remember off hand what the rate of movement of Levitate is, but it's actually quite fast.
Kanada Ten
QUOTE (Mr.Sinister)
Isn't "Fling" a Range:Touch spell that propels the item from the caster's hand?

Right, which is why you need an LOS version. Which can easily be made by upping the DL of Fling by one and then lowering it with Restricted Target: Explosives.
OurTeam
Make it Area Affect and you don't have to worry about targeting the grenade -- just seeing it is sufficient.
Mr.Sinister
QUOTE (Kanada Ten)
Right, which is why you need an LOS version. Which can easily be made by upping the DL of Fling by one and then lowering it with Restricted Target: Explosives.

Oh, brilliant idea!
Fortune
QUOTE (OurTeam)
Make it Area Affect and you don't have to worry about targeting the grenade -- just seeing it is sufficient.

That would throw every valid object in the area.
Arethusa
The blanket is a terrible idea. In theory, a small explosive charge can be pretty decently dampened by a heavy weight ballistic blanket. In reality, good luck getting that thing out, ready, and onto the target before your precious few seconds are up. This is beyond not-at-all-viable. It simply cannot work in any remotely practical application.

Best grenade countermeasure? Run away. Terribly fast.
Sabosect
I have a simpler solution: Fireball them. It's not original, but it'll serve them right when their grenades explode while still with them.

Of course, your idea is also quite interesting. May have to use it.
Arethusa
A fireball is very unlikely to cause grenades to explode. If anything, they should be more worried about ammunition cooking off and not beinga ble to put out flaming clothing. Or, hell, worried about a GM who feels he has a right to punish his players for properly engaging a tactical sitution.
Mr.Sinister
I don't know if it's all that unusable. If the group is known for using grenades, that info gets around. A tactical unit facing them would try to be prepared for them as best they could.

The tactical unit may have a com-specialist or a medic with them who could roll the blanket up and attach it to their backpack. When they get down to business, the pack comes off and set on the ground next to the user - as with a field radio or medic pack. The blanket can be set to the side and if that person sees a grenade, they could use a simple action to grab the blanket and another simple action to throw it - using their entire combat turn to try and cover the grenade.

I think it's possible, but it's not a sure thing. The blanket, when thrown, may miss the grenade, or it may not land in time before it explodes.
Crimson Jack
Yeah, it seems like it would work if timing weren't an issue... which it is. Plus the whole 'having said blanket on hand' element puts a kabosh on the whole idea. Running away works for me. Its free and not very cumbersome.
Solstice
QUOTE (Arethusa)
. Or, hell, worried about a GM who feels he has a right to punish his players for properly engaging a tactical sitution.

You seem to have some kind of bone to pick with me. Well spit it out then and stop with your little under the table remarks. I thought it was a good idea and I hardly think that the opposition is restricted from developing new tactics and hardly see that as a punishment vs the players. Please explain if you think your point is really valid.
Solstice
To address the "hold on a sec while I unfold the blankey" issue:

If it does prove to be somewhat effective, then the tactic could be integrated into the units normal SOP with one person carrying the device maybe like a grenadier in a rifle platoon. In certain situations, like a standoff down a hallway or around a corner where they might not see a grenade coming, have that person ready the thing and be prepared to use it as part of normal operations. It would make sense to give up one person from combat to use the blanket than lose 2+ people plus injuries from a frag grenade.
Kanada Ten
QUOTE (Solstice)
If it does prove to be somewhat effective, then the tactic could be integrated into the units normal SOP with one person carrying the device maybe like a grenadier in a rifle platoon.

What about a splat gun filled with freeze foam?
Solstice
Hrmm interesting. I need more information though I'm not familiar with non lethal weapons really.
Arethusa
QUOTE (Mr.Sinister @ Jan 12 2005, 08:50 PM)
I don't know if it's all that unusable.  If the group is known for using grenades, that info gets around.  A tactical unit facing them would try to be prepared for them as best they could.

Known for using grenades? What insane world do you live in? You don't get known for using grenades. That's just patently ridiculous.

Even if it weren't so insane, what are you expecting? Word gets out to corps everywhere that, oh no, some guys use grenades! No one does that! Blankets are issued to everyone to deal with this new, very important threat! One night, a group attacks and lo and behold, they're recognized as those dastardly grenade users! Forget the rifles, boys! Grab blankets!

QUOTE (Mr.Sinister)
The tactical unit may have a com-specialist or a medic with them who could roll the blanket up and attach it to their backpack.  When they get down to business, the pack comes off and set on the ground next to the user - as with a field radio or medic pack.  The blanket can be set to the side and if that person sees a grenade, they could use a simple action to grab the blanket and another simple action to throw it - using their entire combat turn to try and cover the grenade.

Great, so one guy in an entire unit gets to carry a big blanket into combat. He gets weighed down with more gear than everyone else and can still only protect the few people around him, which will not be enough even when everyone's together, much less spread out around an engagement zone.

QUOTE (Mr.Sinister)
I think it's possible, but it's not a sure thing.  The blanket, when thrown, may miss the grenade, or it may not land in time before it explodes.

And there you have the biggest, simplest explanation of why this would be one of the stupidest ideas a soldier could ever try to employ. If it weighs you down, provides you with something else that can go wrong, and can't be guaranteed to work on any level greater than 'possible,' it's a waste of time— especially when running away is free and fast.

I cannot emphasize this enough: this is a terrible, terrible idea, and cannot possibly work in anything close to real combat. You do not have the time, the freedom to move without getting shot at, the freedom to carry tons of superfluous gear, and the freedom to waste all your time and effort on attempting to throw a blanket at a grenade that may not work, killing you and everyone around you.

QUOTE (Solstice)
To address the "hold on a sec while I unfold the blankey" issue:

If it does prove to be somewhat effective, then the tactic could be integrated into the units normal SOP with one person carrying the device maybe like a grenadier in a rifle platoon. In certain situations, like a standoff down a hallway or around a corner where they might not see a grenade coming, have that person ready the thing and be prepared to use it as part of normal operations. It would make sense to give up one person from combat to use the blanket than lose 2+ people plus injuries from a frag grenade.

That's great until someone chucks a second grenade down on top of your blankie.
Solstice
This behavior is quite interesting really. No one on this board has ever before balked at discussing some very questionable (in reality), sometimes esoteric concepts for days on end while vehemently declaring at every opportunity that said concept is valid regardless of reality. But now that I happen to have a theorhetical idea with some possible merit it's denounced as if I'd given birth to the anti christ...lol! eek.gif
Solstice
QUOTE (Arethusa)
That's great until someone chucks a second grenade down on top of your blankie.

Hey,
How bout instead of sitting there like your Mr. Combat Knowledge why don't you think of a valid way to stop a grenade. It's pretty easy to denegrate an idea, much harder to come up with your own.
Arethusa
You seem convinced you're the only person in this thread besides me. Let's review:

QUOTE (Sabosect)
I have a simpler solution: Fireball them. It's not original, but it'll serve them right when their grenades explode while still with them.


My response:

QUOTE (Arethusa)
A fireball is very unlikely to cause grenades to explode. If anything, they should be more worried about ammunition cooking off and not beinga ble to put out flaming clothing. Or, hell, worried about a GM who feels he has a right to punish his players for properly engaging a tactical sitution.


What could have possibly made you assume this was direct at you?
Fix-it
QUOTE (Solstice)
QUOTE (Arethusa @ Jan 12 2005, 09:05 PM)
That's great until someone chucks a second grenade down on top of your blankie.

Hey,
How bout instead of sitting there like your Mr. Combat Knowledge why don't you think of a valid way to stop a grenade. It's pretty easy to denegrate an idea, much harder to come up with your own.

Toss it back. cool.gif

/Fixit wins teh thread.
Solstice
I don't see magic as a vaild tactic. Besides you aren't bringing anything to the table besides naysaying crap so think of something good. biggrin.gif
James McMurray
Why not just pick them up and throw them back? With the way initiative and grenades work, you should be able to get to a grenade (running if necessary), pick it up (a simple action) and throw it (another simple action) before it goes off. If you're too far away from it to get there and pick it up, then you're better off using your movement to get away.

If the enemy throws several grenades at once, moving away is the best bet. If you're worried about them being able to pick it up and throw it back, just toss it somewhere that they can't reach and that doesn't hurt your team. And depending on how you interpret the delay rules, you may even be able to delay until just before it is to go off. If you don't want to use the delay rules like that, then toss it to a friend, who catches it and then delays.
Solstice
I don't think tossing it back would work that great. IMO anyone who is in a combat position would delay a slight bit before throwing to prevent it. I know it does happen but I was thinking of another way a more "clever" way if you will.
Mr.Sinister
Arethusa, it really seems like you're taking this too personally and the tone of your last reply towards my reply seems a little over the top. Let's try to discuss things in a civil manner, ok? Great.

Anyway, Solstice said in his post starting this thread:
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My players are very fond of tossing grenades everywhere

I expanded on this coming to the point where teams become known for how they act and things they do, it's their M.O. If using grenades often is known as part of their M.O., then teams going up against them should know this and prepare for it. I don't know if that's all that "insane".

The rest of your reply to me isn't worth my response. If you can't see the reasoning behind what I posted, then it's not worth my time explaining it.
Fortune
It's a team of Shadowrunners. How is anyone going to know for sure that this specific team (as opposed to any other shadowrunners) always throws grenades?
toturi
Wrong Party modifiers?
Necro Tech
Signature characters. Many teams have a single associate who stands out. You see this guy, know he hangs out with "those tossers" and bingo, you have an ID. Although you would have to use a LOT of grenades in really inappropriate places to become known for it.

That being said, when I Gm'd regularly my group got a rep for doing it. They bought grenades in bulk, both regular and mini. When a character empties and reloads an MGL-12 5 times in combat, he gets a reputation for over use. Then again, three months trapped in Bug city make you a little nuts.
Method
I don't think the idea is all that far fetched. If you google "bomb blanket" you'll find the real life thing, and they don't appear to be all that heavy (~13-15 kg), but are pretty spendy ($2,199).

Of coarse these are used by bomb squads when they have time to set them up. I think Arethusa's point is valid- they would be very difficult to deploy under combat conditions before the grenade goes off.

Having a dedicated blanket man isn't any dumber than, say, the guy with the door ram in a SWAT team (which by the by weighs about the same).

I think it has some obvious limitations, but then security and military forces very often employ tactics with obvious limitations simply because doing something, however ineffective, is probably better than doing nothing. I think any of the suggestions posted so far (running, throw backs, magic, etc) all fall under this category.

Cuz lets face it, if anybody thows a hand full of mini grenades into your "personal bubble" you're screwed no matter what you do.
DocMortand
Of course, this entire discussion becomes moot when you discuss the Grenade Link (which one of my group has, and is quickly converting everyone else). I'm still undecided on whether the badder NPCs should have 'em, but the efficiency of the Link makes both blankeys and fireballs moot.

How would you deal with that? Take your punishment?
Solstice
QUOTE (DocMortand)
Of course, this entire discussion becomes moot when you discuss the Grenade Link (which one of my group has, and is quickly converting everyone else). I'm still undecided on whether the badder NPCs should have 'em, but the efficiency of the Link makes both blankeys and fireballs moot.

How would you deal with that? Take your punishment?

Of course this is only meant for hand tossed grenades. Launched grenades are a whole nother issue and can't readily be "jumped on".
Fresno Bob
Best grenade counter?

Tennis Racket.
DocMortand
QUOTE (Voorhees)
Best grenade counter?

Tennis Racket.

Oh yeah, that worked REALLY well for Wile E. Coyote. It was almost like the Roadrunner had a Grenade Link for when he returned Wile E's Grenades...
Tarantula
QUOTE (DocMortand)
Of course, this entire discussion becomes moot when you discuss the Grenade Link (which one of my group has, and is quickly converting everyone else). I'm still undecided on whether the badder NPCs should have 'em, but the efficiency of the Link makes both blankeys and fireballs moot.

How would you deal with that? Take your punishment?

Thats when the mage is glad he delayed his action and interrupets the launcher by using the spiffy ranged fling spell discussed prior to make said nade not loaded in the launcher anymore.

Or, ya know, any other of a number of delayed actions people could do. Sniper delayed could shoot the guy.... etc.
Traks
Or spell "Wreck grenade" or even upgraded area "Wreck grenade" spell.

I must admit that my team also uses grenades a lot and enjoy doing that.
Austere Emancipator
The bomb blankets marketed for bomb squads are indeed mostly one-use items as I think was implied earlier by someone. The ballistic fibers are going to get pretty fucked up by a blast, and the nature of fragmentation grenades is only going to make the effect worse. In fact, many/most fragmentation grenades would easily rip a hole in bomb blankets such as this, because they send a lot of sharp, metal fragments flying very fast from a small area.

To reliably contain a single fragmentation hand grenade, the blanket would have to weigh at least around 8-10kg per square meter, and two grenades near each other would rip the blanket apart with ease.

To stand a chance of deploying it properly, one of the frontmen would constantly have to keep the heavy and bulky blanket at arm's reach, preferably holding it in his hands all through combat. Unfolding the blanket in any way should take more than a Simple Action. Even then, the grenade would either have to drop very close to the guy with the blanket, because he would not be able to race up to the grenade to toss the blanket onto it.

I'd have to say "unviable" on this one. Bomb blankets work, but not for this particular use. It's probably a better idea to just give the security teams better Impact-resistant armor than to have 1 out of 3-4 guys on "blanket duty" throughout combat.
Solstice
How bout advances in textiles? Could we concieve a better (lighter/stronger) material for use?
SporkPimp
QUOTE
Arethusa, it really seems like you're taking this too personally and the tone of your last reply towards my reply seems a little over the top.  Let's try to discuss things in a civil manner, ok?
Are you new to dumpshock, or just to Arethusa? He'll be civil the day DumpShock becomes a forum dedicated to Toon.
QUOTE
If you can't see the reasoning behind what I posted, then it's not worth my time explaining it.
Perhaps he can't see the reasoning behind it because it was never worth your time to originally post it.

It was dumb. Not just because of the "preparing for a specific team of runners" thing, which didn't help, but more because it was in defense of a really stupid idea (the combat blanket).

Edit:
QUOTE
How bout advances in textiles? Could we concieve a better (lighter/stronger) material for use?

Wouldn't a light material get blown upwards by the force of the explosion, even (or especially) if it was strong enough to survive the blast unscathed? Wouldn't you have to get closer to use it, since it won't be as easy to throw? Either way, it'd still be prohibitively large -- trying to deploy a blanket more than two feet wide in a firefight would be extremely impossible. Who has room to run around with his arms above his head?

QUOTE
Having a dedicated blanket man isn't any dumber than, say, the guy with the door ram in a SWAT team (which by the by weighs about the same).

The door ram man isn't throwing his ram over his teammates' heads. He's not doing it in combat, *after* a grenade has been thrown *at him*, and the ram isn't an oversized, unwieldy kevlar blanket.

It's a really stupid idea. I know that using the word "stupid" is inflammatory and hurts Solstice's feelings, and I know that Arethusa is being a huge asshole, but let's cut through the bitchfest and just agree that the bomb blanket is a really bad idea.

As someone else pointed out, the way you use a "bomb blanket" in combat is simple: you wear it! Armor and riot shields. And possibly a Barrier spell of the appropriate type, either to stop the grenade or the shrapnel. Or just cast Armor on your squadmates. And, by Shadowrun rules, you can often just pick up and throw a grenade back, or Fling it, or Levitate it... hey, can you Magic Fingers it? Like, hold down the "spoon" (I don't know its real name) and move it away from the team? You could just kick it away (there aren't rules for it, I don't think, but someone close enough should easily be able to kick a grenade away faster than he could throw it -- maybe even a Free Action).

Or you could duck back around the corner, which you should probably do even if you're throwing it back or wearing armor -- grenades hurt.

-Albert
Mr.Sinister
QUOTE (SporkPimp)
Perhaps he can't see the reasoning behind it because it was never worth your time to originally post it.

It was dumb. Not just because of the "preparing for a specific team of runners" thing, which didn't help, but more because it was in defense of a really stupid idea (the combat blanket).

So, discussing a topic to try and come up with a viable solution instead of just dismissing it outright is a waste of time, dumb, and stupid?

Or maybe discussing the idea that something in the future, say 2064, may be different and/or better than what's available now is a waste of time, dumb, and stupid?

Or maybe trying to help someone who has an idea and wants different thoughts on it instead of attacking someone else's thoughts on the topic is a waste of time, dumb, and stupid?

The game is about science fiction fantasy I don't see how it's a waste of time, dumb, and stupid to discuss things. It's not hurting anyone, it's not being counterproductive (unlike saying someone's thoughts are a waste of time, dumb, and stupid), and if your views are different, fine. Don't be a dick and rain on someone's parade just because you don't like it, don't want to discuss it, or disagree.
SporkPimp
QUOTE
So, discussing a topic to try and come up with a viable solution instead of just dismissing it outright is a waste of time, dumb, and stupid?
If that's what you want to call it, then yes, what you call "discussing a topic to try and come up with a viable solution" is a dumb, stupid waste of time.

I call it clinging to a bad idea after it's been shot full of more holes than a blanket placed on top of a hand grenade.

QUOTE
Or maybe discussing the idea that something in the future, say 2064, may be different and/or better than what's available now is a waste of time, dumb, and stupid?
Were you doing that? I didn't see you doing that. The only person I saw bring that up was Solstice himself, and my response to him was flat and unemotional -- that the things that are needed to solve the problem (being big and heavy) are the very things that make it an unviable solution (throwing around big, heavy things is not something you do in the middle of battle).

So again, if what you're doing is what you call "discussing the ida that something in the future may be different and/or better than what's available now", you are indeed wasting your time in a stupid manner that is dumb.

QUOTE
Or maybe trying to help someone who has an idea and wants different thoughts on it instead of attacking someone else's thoughts on the topic is a waste of time, dumb, and stupid?
Defending an idea that doesn't work doesn't help the person, it helps the idea. The forums are here to help people, not ideas. We have helped people who thought that the CQB grenade-blanket was a good idea by blowing their idea to death and back. Repeatedly.

If you think that defending an idea with an infinite series of ad hoc hypotheses is the same as "helping someone who has an idea and wants different thoughts on it", then *you* are a stupid, dumb waste of time.

QUOTE
It's not hurting anyone, it's not being counterproductive (unlike saying someone's thoughts are a waste of time, dumb, and stupid), and if your views are different, fine.  Don't be a dick and rain on someone's parade just because you don't like it, don't want to discuss it, or disagree.

Arethusa is a dick, I'll admit, and I can be as well. I'd apologize on his behalf if he wouldn't go fuck it up within minutes. We are running into the "Doc Funk Dilemma", in which someone is posting factually accurate information, but doing it in such an inflammatory manner as to render his contributions to the forum nil (since hardly anyone can bear to read his posts).
To that extent, which I have priorly acknowledged, you are correct. And the only solution, other than burning effigies of Adam on his doorstep until he bans everyone with a naughty sentiment (Disclaimer: please do not do that), is, like I suggested, to get over it. Your feelings are hurt? Well, bitching back at the guy who hurt them probably won't make him stop. Your idea wasn't good? Well, let it die.

That goes for this thread as well, unless someone really has an idea other than "put something between you and it, including distance" or "destroy it with magic". I think those bases have been amply covered, by golly.

-Albert
Arethusa
QUOTE (Solstice)
How bout advances in textiles? Could we concieve a better (lighter/stronger) material for use?

No. Advances in textiles can, conceivably, eventually give you a more resilient blanket and a blanket that need not be as thick as current blankets, but no matter how much technology is involved, you will never get past the simple fact that an explosive force will require a heavy blanket to dampen the blast. Use really light ballistic cloth and your blankie's going to pop right off, leaving you at ground zero to make friends with a lot of shrapnel.

As SporkPimp outlined, there's only so much advanced technology can do. You can't get past basic mechanics.

QUOTE (SporkPimp)
Are you new to dumpshock, or just to Arethusa? He'll be civil the day DumpShock becomes a forum dedicated to Toon.

Toon? I don't follow.

QUOTE (SporkPimp)
It's a really stupid idea. I know that using the word "stupid" is inflammatory and hurts Solstice's feelings, and I know that Arethusa is being a huge asshole, but let's cut through the bitchfest and just agree that the bomb blanket is a really bad idea.

Aw, be nice. To me. I don't really care about anyone else.

Seriously, I can agree with aggressive, and admittedly and apparently not helpfully so, but I'm not so sure beyond that. I would not say entirely unwarranted.

QUOTE (Mr.Sinister)
So, discussing a topic to try and come up with a viable solution instead of just dismissing it outright is a waste of time, dumb, and stupid?

Or maybe discussing the idea that something in the future, say 2064, may be different and/or better than what's available now is a waste of time, dumb, and stupid?

Or maybe trying to help someone who has an idea and wants different thoughts on it instead of attacking someone else's thoughts on the topic is a waste of time, dumb, and stupid?

The game is about science fiction fantasy I don't see how it's a waste of time, dumb, and stupid to discuss things. It's not hurting anyone, it's not being counterproductive (unlike saying someone's thoughts are a waste of time, dumb, and stupid), and if your views are different, fine. Don't be a dick and rain on someone's parade just because you don't like it, don't want to discuss it, or disagree.

SporkPimp has beaten me to just about all of my criticisms of you and your handling of this debate, but I think the most important bears repeating: you desperateley need to learn to differentiate between criticism of ideas and attack on a specific person. There is a distinct line between ad hominem attack and debate (yes, even heated debate), and failing to understand this can lead to all kinds of overly personal messes that have no place here or in any other forum, real or digital.

Beyond that, all I can really say is that while I will admit you have a right to disagree and hold your own opinion, you have no reasonable right to expect any respect for it after it has been "shot full of more holes than a blanket placed on top of a hand grenade."
SporkPimp
QUOTE (Arethusa)
Toon? I don't follow.

Toon, the Cartoon Roleplaying Game is a roleplaying game about cartoons published by the wonderful folks at Steve Jackson Games.

Steve Jackson Games: We *are* the conspiracy.

-Albert
Fortune
Nor do we have any less of a right to express our opinion that the whole grenade blankie idea is, in fact, stupid.
Mr.Sinister
I can fully accept someone saying (and backing up with reasons) that an idea or thought process I've had was wrong, inaccurate, misguided, and so on. If they want to have a disussion about it, great - I'm able to see the other side and admit that I'm wrong when I am.

You feel the idea is stupid, fine, I don't have a problem with that. However, I won't gracefully acknowledge someone calling me stupid because I want to continue the discussion to try and understand in more detail, or depth, or maybe just for the sake of doing so. Many times, useful ideas come from discussions about things that aren't so useful. Many times nothing comes from it at all.

Is the bomb-blanket something that could be made and used in game? Yeah, probably. Is it the greatest idea to do so? Probably not. But those are the two main questions Solstice had from the beginning. He wanted input, and he got it. Hell, he may have even gotten his questions answered and more.

I don't think it had to turn ugly and personal the way it did, there was no real reason for it.

I say we call the issue dead and all move on.
TheBovrilMonkey
QUOTE (Kanada Ten)

What about a splat gun filled with freeze foam?


Running with this idea, I reckon that if for some reason people don't have the sense to run away, a one-shot underbarrel splat gun would work pretty well.
It'd be small enough not to get in the way, easily accessable since it's already in your hands and would probably be fine for severely reducing, if not stopping, a grenade's explosion.

My next choice would be a mage attached to the squad with an absurdly high control actions spell, ready to make someone dive onto the grenade. I'd just make sure to stand behind him where he couldn't see me wink.gif
Austere Emancipator
IRL, something like freeze foam would absolutely not "severely reduce" a hand grenade's explosion. Based on how hard freeze foam is described as being in the fluff, that'd be a bit like having the grenade go off inside a small ½" thick wooden box -- in SR terms, all it should do is maybe drop off 1 or 2 Power, depending on how much of the foam could be deposited around the grenade.

In canon SR, though, this would work wonderfully. Freeze foam has a Barrier Rating of 12 (twelve!), on par with Structural Materials -- a light layer of freeze foam is supposedly as hard to break as ~20cm of concrete. This means a single splat gun shot of freeze foam would be enough to completely contain any explosive up to and including 4kg of C-12, unless you go silly with the Blasts in Confined Spaces rule.
SporkPimp
QUOTE (Austere Emancipator)
This means a single splat gun shot of freeze foam would be enough to completely contain any explosive up to and including 4kg of C-12, unless you go silly with the Blasts in Confined Spaces rule.

Plausibility can not be achieved with fewer than one dozen dice rolls.

Carpal tunnel is the price of verisimilitude.

-Albert
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