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The Canterbury Tail
DriveThruRPG.com now has six Shadowrun books available for sale in PDF format. I for one am glad to see this, and they are watermarked rather than DRM'd plus are original electronic files rather than scans. Having downloaded the free one (the Quickstart Rules) the only complaint I would have is that the images are stored at screen resolution rather than print resolution, but other than that they're great.
Backgammon
HAHA! I like for the character dossier 4.99 is slashed and 5.00 is written in red instead. What a saving!
Kagetenshi
Indeed. Other than that, glad to see them but I hope they get a more extensive variety soon.

*Goes and hides before Adam hunts him down and gnaws on his femurs*

~J
Adam
QUOTE (Backgammon)
HAHA! I like for the character dossier 4.99 is slashed and 5.00 is written in red instead. What a saving!

Be thankful I lost that part of the pricing discussion. I wanted to the raise the price, as it has more value as an ebook, since you can print out multiple times. wink.gif

More books coming soon; just waiting for DTRPG to get them online.
mfb
a Matrix pdf with searchable text and bookmarks. Adam, you are my hero.

also, note that the Quick Start Rules (as well as Critters and the GM Screen) can be bought for the low, low price of zero dollars. free Retard Club Decoder Rings for everyone who doesn't grab these.
Connor
I'm very glad to see them start to show up. Although, I would have figured the core rulebooks would have all made it up there in the first batch. Hopefully SR3 and the rest follow quickly.

EDIT: Missed Adam's remark there...I bet those books are the ones DriveThru is still getting put up...heh.
Adam
I'm actually still working on the core rulebook. It should be up later today, but might slip to monday ... I'm not sure if the DTRPG staff work outside of office hours, and they're a few time zones ahead of me now.

Also note that Shadowrun books will be available through BattleCorps at http://battlecorps.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=28. BattleCorps does awesome work supporting the Classic BattleTech line with original content, so if you want to spend your money and help support FanPro and a company that supports FanPro products and helps extend them, consider making your purchases there. [They're a little behind DTRPG right now, but will be catching up soon]
Kagetenshi
QUOTE (Adam)
Be thankful I lost that part of the pricing discussion. I wanted to the raise the price, as it has more value as an ebook, since you can print out multiple times. wink.gif

So we are in fact permitted to do that (unlike, say, with photocopying the physical book)?

~J
Connor
Are the BattleCorps PDFs watermarked in the same fashion as DTRPG then?
Adam
QUOTE
So we are in fact permitted to do that (unlike, say, with photocopying the physical book)?

All of the books carry the "Permission to photocopy for personal use" tag.
Adam
QUOTE (Connor)
Are the BattleCorps PDFs watermarked in the same fashion as DTRPG then?

No, they are not.
Kanada Ten
I agree that the dossier is more useful in PDF format... especially since I can edit PDF files now.
Kagetenshi
QUOTE (Adam)
QUOTE
So we are in fact permitted to do that (unlike, say, with photocopying the physical book)?

All of the books carry the "Permission to photocopy for personal use" tag.

Interesting. I'd thought you said that that one book wasn't marked that way in a discussion about it a few months back.

~J
Cochise
For the record: I just love what I've got so far ...

But some questions:

1. How does DTRPG handle payment? The free books simply download and I can't seem to find a page on DTRPG that explains that in detail. Creditcard, Paypal, etc.?

2. Adam, since you promote BattleCorps:
a) How do they sell them? Without any watermark / DRM? *I find it rather nice seeing my name in the bottom left corner of every page in those DTRPG documents*
b) How do they handle payment?
Connor
QUOTE (Adam)
QUOTE (Connor @ Feb 4 2005, 03:03 PM)
Are the BattleCorps PDFs watermarked in the same fashion as DTRPG then?

No, they are not.

Well, does that mean they're DRM'd or just plain PDFs then?
Nikoli
Also, can we get DTRPG to drop that crappy brick image from the sides, their text color choice gave me a migraine last night trying to pick it out from the brick.
Adam
Hi. Uh, tons of questions, and I'm really busy, so short answers to questions I have easy answers for:

Payment options: Should be detailed on each site. That's their hassle, nor ours! smile.gif

BattleCorps PDFs: Just plain PDFs, no DRM.

DriveThru dropping that brick image: I complained about it when I was beta-testing the site before it launched last year. They said no. wink.gif

Kage: I'm not sure what you're talking about ... can you elaborate?
Nikoli
Well, it's either they drop it or I take business else where, cause if I can't read the text, i ain't clickin to buy.
Adam
I'd suggest BattleCorps, then. wink.gif
Kagetenshi
QUOTE (Adam)
Kage: I'm not sure what you're talking about ... can you elaborate?

Maybe it's just my late-Friday delirious haze, but I distinctly remember you saying at some point that the Character Dossiers, unlike other books by FanPro, did not have the right to photocopy for personal use given (except insofar as it's automatically given by Fair Use). Is that entirely false?

I also see you still haven't gained the magic mojo to allow selecting two-column text to work properly in Preview. Guess I'll bitch at Apple about that.

~J
Adam
Most FanPro [print] books do /not/ have that right given. The character sheets in many do; the print version of the Dossier does not, the electronic version of the Dossier does.
Connor
Yeah, I definitely think BattleCorps is going to get my business on this deal.

Thanks for keeping up with the questions Adam!
Bigity
So I illegally photocopied the character dossier I paid for?
Fortune
QUOTE (Bigity)
So I illegally photocopied the character dossier I paid for?

Yep!
Kagetenshi
Yep. But you didn't have to share, you know wink.gif

~J
Req
QUOTE (Bigity)
So I illegally photocopied the character dossier I paid for?

Heh. Now they're gonna come for you.
Bigity
Actually, I haven't done that yet, since I really didn't like them, and my group is new, so they don't need something so complex.

Can they even legally enforce that? I can copy CDs I own all day long, for my use.
Kagetenshi
No, you can't actually. You can make one for backup purposes, but not use it unless your original kicks the bucket.

When I said "share", though, I meant share the info that you'd done it rather than the copies themselves.

~J
Bigity
As an owner of every SR book ever published (or at least a buyer), I'd hope it wouldn't matter too much smile.gif
Bigity
QUOTE (Req)
QUOTE (Bigity @ Feb 4 2005, 02:16 PM)
So I illegally photocopied the character dossier I paid for?

Heh. Now they're gonna come for you.

I'll just pile up all my SR crap in front of the door, and they won't be able to push the door open.
Adam
For the sake of my sanity and trying to get relevant questions answered, please take the extended copyrights/photocopying discussion to another thread. Thanks.
rumor
QUOTE (Connor)
Yeah, I definitely think BattleCorps is going to get my business on this deal.

Thanks for keeping up with the questions Adam!

And BattleCorps will do what it can to keep you as a long-time satisfied customer. smile.gif

Yes, for whomever asked. The BC editions of these Shadowrun sourcebooks are the same pdfs up on DriveThru, but without the watermark. We are also stocking the full line of Shadowrun miniatures from Iron Wind Metals, and hope to add several new Shadowrun promotional items in the very near future.

And if you happen to enjoy Classic BattleTech ficiton at all, along with any BC membership you get a starting 5% discount off all orders.

enjoy!

~R
Kanada Ten
The Quick Start Rules are FREE?
Good move, me thinks.
Kagetenshi
Another question: didn't you mention a few months back that the agreement with DTRPG was exclusive?

~J
Adam
Yeah.

It's not, anymore. smile.gif
Kagetenshi
Figured as much smile.gif just rare for deals like that to become unexclusive.

~J
Club
It appears BattleCorps does not take Paypal.

Any plans to change that soon?
Jérémie
Adam, are you planning on including the long gone Kage and others prozines issues in some batch at some point ?

QUOTE (Club)
It appears BattleCorps  does not take Paypal. Any plans to change that soon?

That's a question more relevant to BattleCorps, no ?
lazarius
Do the pdfs come with permission to print and bind?

Figure I should ask rather than assume nyahnyah.gif

Laz
Zolhex
QUOTE (Jérémie)
Adam, are you planning on including the long gone Kage and others prozines issues in some batch at some point ?

I hear this request and raise it by one I'd love a full set of the Ka'Ge mags. I tried to get on Ebay but can not find them all.
Vairdic
QUOTE (Club)
It appears BattleCorps  does not take Paypal.

Any plans to change that soon?

We should accept PayPal by monday (if not sooner)
Adam
QUOTE (Jérémie)
Adam, are you planning on including the long gone Kage and others prozines issues in some batch at some point ?

We've talked about it, but haven't reached any sort of decision.
The Canterbury Tail
I for one would love to get my hands on a set of Kage. I've never even seen one here in the UK.
Cochise
QUOTE (Vairdic)
We should accept PayPal by monday (if not sooner)

You pretty much saved my day with that statement notworthy.gif
mintcar
I just bought Matrix and the Character Dossier. I´m propably going to buy most of the books you add that I don´t already have. Saves me some money and a lot of space. I´m moving tomorrow, and the Shadowrun stuff fills a box of it´s own as it is.
Grinder
I moved two weeks ago and all my RPG-stuff had been a real pain - besides my way to huge CD-collection smile.gif

Still waiting for Bug City as pdf.
Aku
any eta on when/if Rigger 3 revised will be available?
Adam
None yet. As a book that's in print and readily available, it's lower in priority than other out of print rulebooks [Magic in the Shadows, Matrix] or older OOP stuff [Portfolio of a Dragon, Bug City, etc]
mattness pl
QUOTE (Adam)
BattleCorps does awesome work supporting the Classic BattleTech line with original content, so if you want to spend your money and help support FanPro and a company that supports FanPro products and helps extend them, consider making your purchases there. [They're a little behind DTRPG right now, but will be catching up soon]

Arrgh. Why you didn't say that on ShadowRN?
I already spread the news in polish RPG NET, but I gave them link to Drivethrou sleepy.gif
mattness pl
QUOTE (The Canterbury Tail)
I for one would love to get my hands on a set of Kage. I've never even seen one here in the UK.

Oh yeah. Kage - that's my holy Grail nyahnyah.gif - I saw one once, years ago...
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