I saw one or two on ebay last year I think...didn't get them.

What kind of protection do the Battlecorps .pdf have ?!
None at all ?
Isn't that hazardous ?

Yes. Apparently a hazard FanPro is willing to risk.

Edit: which I give them kudos for.

~J

Trust. It's so crazy, it just might work!

What basically means Battlecorps has an edge over DTRPG.
I'm getting some very positive input - and people waiting for books to be available at BC even though they already are at DTRPG.

Okay, I guess we have to wait a few days to see if these (light-sized, only a few megs) .pdf don't end up on Kazaa too quickly and if the sales are good.

Adam - this can be done cause these are OOP or soon OOP products, right ? Better make them available online than waste money on a new printing ?

It wouldn't be safe with newer products ?

What would you think of selling new SBs translated into other languages (for instance SoE or DotSW in French) this way ? Is it a safe way to go, if they don't have a printed equivalent ?

Well, several of the products already made available are in-print still: Shadowrun Character Dossier and Sprawl Survival Guide, for example.

When they show up on file sharing networks, well, that sucks, but it's going to happen. People who want to support FanPro will buy them, and others won't. Is that cool of them? I don't think so, but FanPro would rather do what is better for our paying customers than for people who aren't our customers at all.

Foreign translations aren't any of my business, and my understanding is there's some instability in the French Shadowrun license right now anyway, so I really don't have anything to say on that subject.

Incidentally, FanPro currently has 8 Shadowrun products up on DTRPG ... and up to seven of those are in the DTRPG top 20 list at the same time over the last few days. It's currently only six, though ...

I was going to say the same thing ;> People who steal them 99% of the time would have stolen them anyways, meaning theres little in the way of lost revenue because its unlikley they would have purchased the original regardless of the situation.
(Same concept of why the emergance of MP3 file sharing coinsided with increased profits for music labels, you can't lose money you never had).

I'll check out these later, though I already have scanned copy PDFs of all the SR books I already own(nearly all of them). See if the price is worth the convience of professionally done PDFs.

I think the largest potential loss is going to be in groups where previously mulitple players plus a GM would buy the same book - I can imagine a lot of groups now sharing more materials (although having said that, my groups have never owned more than one copy of any book for any game - with rare exceptions). If the focus is on producing PDFs on the OOP or hard to get hold of books then I can only imaging it will be good for everyone.

The quick look I've had at the selection (at both sites) and the pricing results in a big thumbs up from me!

Seeing SR3 rulebooks and sourcebooks available in PDF, I'm wondering: will reprint OOP SR3 products, or will you manage all your OOP books via the PDF online distribution?

Battlecorps & miniature related question: will there be any preview of the miniatures available? Because I don't know the look and feel of these miniatures, but if I could preview them, I may be interested in buying some.

Print reprints will be done when they make business sense, the same as they always have been.

bwahahaha - i have all the KAGE's in my possession!!

sorry, just had to brag - back to the thread...

Will BattleCorps be adding a "pay by check/money order" option? Is this something DTRPG already has?

Since someone brought up the character dossier, what is the chance that the character dossier will have editable lines like other forms. This way you can simply open the document, fill out the information and print/save it? And if this can be done, is there a chance that it can be done with the other character sheets as well?

I haven't checked yet. Do either take Paypal?

i don't think pdf's are capable of doing that, fester.

PDFs are more than capable of doing that. Trick is, you need Acrobat if you're going to save, but for just printing it's definitely possible.

~J

PDFs in general are capable of doing that, much like cars in general are capable of moving faster than 15 KPH. You can find examples of ones that don't, but that doesn't mean that everything in category PDF or category car is like that.

~J

So, if it was fully editable, what would it be worth?

Obviously, if fans are interested, we'll do what we can to accomodate them.

My view on pirating PDF's is a bit skitz:

I have quite a few pirated PDF's. Mostly old adventures and OOP sourcebooks. I own a lot of those in paper. However, if I use any of the data in the pdf's, I consider myself obliged to buy said book if I can find it. I have no guilt about pirating something 15 years old an highly sought after; that is probably the only way I'm going to find it. If I do run into a physical copy for sale, well, honor demands I get it.

There really no reason to pirate anything printed in the last 5 - 7 years, as I can find or order that in.

Example: the PC's wanted a safehouse. I printed a couple pages out of Divided Assets (The suiox safe house). I now own that book.

Thanks for sharing, but what relevance does that have to the thread?

~J

In brief: Read again

A bit longer:

Ask Adam ...He wanted to know what we (as potential customers of fully editable PDF versions of the Character Dossier) would be willing to pay, if such PDFs were to be made availible on DriveThru (or BattleCorps for that matter) ...

[edit] or are you talking to Club?[/edit]

Talking to Club. You even quoted Adam's question

~J

I'd go as high as 40% more for an editable version.

Mainly because if you don't do it, I'll have to make it so myslef and I've only got so many years left before carpal tunnel reduces me to club-fisting the keyboard.

If the versions avilable were only available in pricier editable files I wouldn't buy any of them.

i'd pay more for an editable version. as it stands, i personally won't be buying the character dossier at all; i play pretty much exclusively online, so the dossier, cool as it is, doesn't do much for my games. an editable version, on the other hand, i could--and would--use.

BattleCorps.com now is accepting PayPal payments on it's site as requested.

We're also working on getting the images of the Shadowrun Minis up as well. Hopefully will be done later today or tomorrow.

Enjoy!

I would pay a few dollars more for an editable version of the Dossier, myself.

And I must say, Fanpro, and everyone associated (esp Adam) thank you. I can finally get Matrix for a decent price, and I won't have to pay shipping or wait for it.

i prefer a well-scanned pdf to paper, and paper to a poorly-scanned pdf.

Would thesesheets be editable with just Acrobat Reader, or would I need the full Adobe for that?

If I can just use reader, it would be worth a couple-few more dollars.

You would be able to edit and print in Reader, but not save your data into the sheet.

Sweet, definately useful for character sheets.

How would errata for the more current sourcebooks be handled? I don't suppose we would get updated versions after buying a ebook?

Also, if an ebook was purchased, and I had Adobe (full version), would I be allowed to modify the eBook (with errata, personal notes, etc)?

I know it's been touched on already, but what are the chances of getting older books (lie 1st + 2nd edt adventures) put out on PDF. I know it's not going to be a priority, since there are a LOT more useful books out there, but having some of hose older modules would be nice.

Is this even a possibility for the future?

Wow! that was quick!
Thanks for the info!
Better some time than no time!

Sounds good. Thanks for the responses Adam.

Mmmm... bookmarked non-pixelated font PDF goodness... I think I'm in looooovvvveeee!

Any idea on the ordering of what's not yet PDF but soon to be so Adam? This has REALLY made my day.

Well, I just bought one of everything but the Character Dossier. Call me an addict, I guess

Any idea when they're going to get the rest of the stuff up? Us junkies are getting restless!

~J

Currently looking at battlecorps pdfs and other stuff.
As I prefer paper version, probably I'll buy only few pdf books. But hey, every dollar counts, no?
On unrelated note, Shadowrun minis without any pictures suck. They should make at least crude representations what they look like.