[QUOTE]From teleportation, to the ripoff of WoD, to the "rolling percentile for Karma", to the 20 Attribute base, I see very little that involves any sort of Realism in the campaigns that you've described. Every time I read them, I think "This person really needs to play Rifts". [QUOTE]

Teleportation involves Magic, which is the ability to cast Spells which Bend the laws of Physics.

"rolling of percentile for Karma" is what my GM did, and what I do, mainly for well developed characters who usually last for more then half a run.

I'm not sure if yer aware of this but I've only described one campaign. Evertime I read a reaction like this to one of my posts I think to myself "open foot, insert mouth". I wonder how many of you actually stop and think things through before you react to them. Also I've decided to stop gunking up the posts with clarifications and reiterations. So I've decided to start this topic. <sigh> and now that the toothache has been calmed by the pain killers, I think I'm gonna head for the sack.

good point, man. i feel you.

edit: bah, he actually posted something, ruining my hilarity.

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Weredigo. No offense intended but do you ever stop and worry that perhaps you're making very little sense at all?

Too many painkillers, 'digo, if such a thing is indeed possible. This thread needs to die.

There is no such thing as too many painkillers.

Someone else reads Asimov, I see.

Edit: I'm an idiot, that was DNA. Similar to Asimov's humor in this particular instance, though.

~J

Kage, that was from Adams, not Asimov.

I realized that shortly after posting. See edit.

~J

Edit: Nevermind!

Leaving aside, for the moment, that what you're playing sounds more like a big mass of poorly-thought-out house rules than like anything that could be called "Shadowrun"... where did you get the phrase "on my board" as meaning "in our game"? I've been gaming for twenty-three years and I've never heard it from anyone but you.

You know every time I see someone say 'Not Canon' I get this picture of a funny little man with a funny mustache typing away at a keyboard.

There is one thing that makes anything a group decides to do 'canon'. I believe it is actually stated in the Core rules that if you don't like how something is done, or a particular ruling that you can ignore it all together.

Now I like most of the rules. A few of the changes from SR2 to SR3 I am not particulary happy about so in my campaign they never happened. Truthfully I can say my campaign is 'canon' in that it holds with the feel of old school ShadowRun.

I'm not saying my campaign decisions are any more or less valid than anyone elses. In fact not even the game developers have that privilege. You (and they) can express your opinion, but it is no more than that.

BTW: My old group used to do a percentage roll for karma. You got you RP reward, humor reward, drama reward, brilliant insight reward, chutzpah reward, and then the GM would set the base Karma reward. You could trade some of your other karma rewards for a 20% bonus (each point) on the die (open ended)and then you could roll the percentile dice and see how much of the base reward you got.

How is turning a book and rock to goo, then dropping the spell cause them to occupy the same space at the same time and cause the end of the world? Wouldn't the goo mix together and take up a total volume equal to the combined volume of the book and rock? Dropping the spell when they are mixed together would result in a rock with pieces of book mixed through it and a book with pieces of rock mixed through it. It would take up space equal to the space of the rock plus the space of the book.

And who is to say that the goo doesn't draw back upon itself to reform into the book and the rock? That was how we used to play it when cast upon a person. They didn't reform into a bunch of random flesh strewn about the floor.

Moreover, though it's popular to assume it would, who is to say that two objects occupying the same space at the same time would cause any sort of explosion? More likely the individual objects would be ripped apart as bits of the component atoms attracted and repelled each other, but from the outside it would probably be a fairly calm-looking process.

~J

Actually, they would never occupy the same space. They could possibly comingle but that't not the same thing. You'd end up with a screwed up book and a screwed up rock both stuck to each other.

Even a basic knowledge of chemistry will teach you that the primary component in matter is nothing. The secondary component are the interatomic magnetic fields, and the lesser components are the bits that appear solid when observed with best technology, but are also mostly empty in every mathematically sound model.

Even assuming that somehow the goo is immune to material physics (and for some reason doesn't immediately sink into the earth), dropping the spells has very little chance of getting two atomic nuclei to overlap. If somehow that still did happen, and the two overlap well enough that they don't just fly apart from each other, you have successfully fused two atoms, and released a tiny amount of thermal energy and radiation.

If more sci-fi authors had a basic understanding of science, pathetic statistically impossible assumptions like that wouldn't propogate themselves.

I would have assumed that, if anything, the book and stone might have melded together in some form. I'm not sure what your rationale for assuming an explosion of antimatter-esque proportions is.

Incidentally, all-time great uses for Turn to Goo: swift and no-pain stripping of cyberware from corpses (I forget how this worked, although it was explained to me at the time... something about the cyberware having higher resistance than the body). Yech...

Are you sure you don't mean "at my table"?

Turn to go doesn't even exist in SR anymore...

lorthazar you suck! Your ideas are crap!

I thought about saying something about your definition of canon, but figured we'd covered this recently and there was no real need.

Actually, I just expected someone else to do it.

Hey, guys, remember how I said this thread needed to die?

Like I always am, I was right.

Haven't you ever kept a thread alive out of sheer perversion?

And regarding the Goo spell, I can mix all kinds of crap together without vilolating the two objects - one space rule. Take a nice bowl of jello for instance. And if I were really really patient, I could get the water back out without blowing up the continental USA.

That's just what the terrorists want you to think. You're not a terrorist, are you?

*calls Homeland Security*

"Thank you fro calling Homeland Security. Please choose from one of the following selections: If you are calling about a dirty bomb, press 1. If you are calling about a poisoned resevoir, press 2. If you are calling about Dumpshock...again, press 3. If you are calling..."

Ooh, we get our own number!

*Runs off to the phone*
*3*

Grey is Ecclesiastes now, as you may have noticed over in the names thread.

~J

Wendigo, I'd like you to try something. Take two large cubes of ice. Place them both in a pan and turn on the heat. You should soon see them "turn to goo" and meld into each other. Now take the pan and put it in the freezer. As it resolidifies, RUN! IT'S GONNA BLOW UP THE EARTH!

JaronK

To be fair, when the ice resolidifies it doesn't spring back into cube form.

~J

Also, it's not on pain pills rendering it completely incoherent.

It's still a solid, turning into a liquid, then mingling with another ex-solid in liquid form, then returning to a solid state. On the atomic level, it's really no different.

JaronK

So we can now conclude that you would end up with a chunky rock/book solid mixture, of no real worth, but it might make a decent improvised club or something.