I ment Horrors of consequence, not the relatively small number of lesser ones that had made it though. That the ramping up of Horrors would/should take time (Duk's stopgap aside). I know that Drakes were added in Threats 2, but should it really be only a few years between new types of URGE coming online? Shouldn't it be more like decades? Some time back Harley was already able pull off some decently highlevel ED teleport magic. If magic continues to ramp up that quickly won't we be getting near to an ED level world by 2100?

Thanks! I musta had incorrect info - I miscalculated. Whew, that would have been embarassing - Horrors showing up earlier than I'd be prepared for No food set up, no guest rooms prepared.....

That is what I thought, a long time off.

I just seem to remember in ED that there being at least a few hundred years of dwarves and such before the first hint of the Horrors to come. The 6th world seems to be running on some sort of compressed timeline.

Did it rush the Horrors only, or the actual magic level increase?

EDIT: NM, AH gave the answer i thought it might be. So was it Dunk doing his thing that kept Halley's Comet from bringing in a raft of Horrors? Also shouldn't the comet's spike have set a new high water mark so we shouldn't see much in the way of new funky stuff triggered for a bit?

Not quite. All magical acts increase the mana level, however particularly potent acts (of which there are many) can raise the mana level in a specific area considerably enough to allow Horrors to come through on their own. The blood-sacrifices in both Aztlan and Hawai'i were actually bent toward summoning Horrors or opening a gateway-something far different than accidentally letting one through be casting a really big spell.

Cynic: Doesnae mean people should cry into my beer about it either.

"ONE" Verjigorm?!

I thought that Verji was a named horror... and by that, I mean... Unique... (hopefully!)

Where?

It's no surprise that I disagree here, since I have previously been quite vocal in my support of tying Earthdawn and Shadowrun together.

More importantly, since those connections are already implied in the canon, there is going to be some fairly major rewriting to be done if you're going to get rid of them without a massive increase in the Cheese Factor (I remember somebody coming up with the plot idea that actually Harlequin is insane and hallucinating about all this - amusing, but as an explanation for all that has happened, ultimately cheesy in the extreme). AH's excellent materials illustrate the references, very helpfully. (Random thanks to AH, btw, for making my life a damned sight easier "It is too late for me... Ancient History is my master now"...)

I used the Horrors and the cycle of magic backstory myself, for my high-end players (okay, they weren't high end by the standards of some of the characters I've seen on here, but 350 karma characters were pretty impressive by our standards ). Those characters were moving beyond the normal, well, run of shadowrunning and becoming involved with the people and events that shaped the world they thought they knew. Kind of an Epic Level Handbook for Shadowrun, much as I hate to bring the dread d20 up on these boards After all, sooner or later characters are going to run out of motivations for doing the old job. Conveniently, we have a whole new job scene for them.

(I also used the backstory obliquely in a standard Shadowun mission I posted here several months ago; I don't fancy trying to search the forums on dialup :/ , but it might still be there if you have a faster connection and greater intestinal fortitude than I )

That's actually got nothing to do with being the "ultimate Shadowrun." It's not really a Shadowrun. It's a comic book super-hero job, yes, but not a "Shadowrun." I would help MFB with the paperwork and down payment for his home, mantle, and a nice plaque for the head-mounting.

Not even ED offers such an adventure and it's completly unlikely in SR.

A bit on the supers side, isn't it? Besides, SR isn't about players changing the entire universe. I found HB beyond what I'd like to see already too epic, and Harley can really annoy me, besides, what good was my character's suffering if Dunky does the same and gets all the credit for it? That module would make HB seem like playing Glow City squatters. It would be slightly over the top for the likes of Champions. It's akin to CoC players blowing R'Lyeh apart, killing Cthulluh and mounting his head onto a giant plaque and expose it in the museum of natural curiosities in Arkham.

In other words, it's something I would never, ever play. No offense meant, but my style is more like 2XS in scope, at most.

According to the Draconic legends from the Horrors sourcebook, that's right. Whether that's actual truth, a legend, or just a way for the Eater of Cities to brag that Dragon was the first child of All-Wings, and the other metaraces were later, isn't clear.

I'd say it's just legend though.

My take on the Passions are that they're ideals that got strong enough that they became real, physical entities.

So basically totems.

Elves at least pre-tolken elves were what most of use would call fairies. They had a wide range of looks and themes, few if any were remotely human looking, and fewer still were imortal.