And while we're on the topic of games, anyone know what the hell happened to Duality?

Just something to throw out: SR is entirely do able as a console FPS.

A friend of mine and I made a competent button config for the PS2 about a year ago. with a little work, you could incorperate everything in SR to Xbox without too much effort.

Would it be bitchy? oh yeah. Would it be fun if done properly? yup.

Lemme see If I can hunt down the text file I made with what we came up with (I dont think this is going to happen, as I've reformated some 4-5 times since then- but I'll still look)...

And, as a sidenote, SR as a FPS would alter quite a bit. Combat pool would probably be automaticly allocated based on a few presets. Gun skills would have a reduced karma cost(because they are infinitly less useful while you're aiming manually). I think the major thing a SR game would have to focus on is the style, and the content.

What the dev team for it needs to do is look at Vampire: Bloodlines. Ignoring thier shitty use of source, they did a good job of getting the feel down. Hell, Bloodlines felt like a SR game as often as not. Keep the Third/first view switchable.

As for spell damage staging- IIRC Xbox(and thus, xbox 360) has pressure sensitive buttons. light touch-> light damage smashing it in-> Deadly damage. not too hard to set up. spell targeting would require a bit more effort.

Wired reflexes would be bitchy as hell (If we want this to be multiplayer, and I for one do), Slowing things down doesnt work for multi- speeding things up doesnt work for people. I remember Perfect Dark solving this by having all players slow down, which was a really shitty decision, IMO. This would require some creative thinking. Speeding things up for the player(IE, move faster, faster tracking of the target reticle) might work, but that puts the player in a position where they need to be hyper alert to be able to control it at higher init levels(+3d6 and up). This would take work and playtesting. Lots of both.

Rigging is another thing that would be complecated at best. probably the best way to set it up would be to have something like a command map(Tribes 2 and Battlefield 2 both have these, dont know about anything else), who's contents relies on the sensors of the Rigger's network. with that you'd be able to issue orders to the AI somewhat well. Command Chair would be fairly straight forward. Still, its a complecated system that would take a heavy hit from not being done a DNI speeds. But that can be compensated for in a few, obvious, ways.

Decking( which I REALLY hope they put in) would be easy- if they got people who understand how the matrix in SR works. While it also loses lots from not being DNI, this is a problem for everyone, not just the decker.

Bottom line a great shadowrun game would have to be VERY comprehensive, and IMO heavily involve the SR community. But thats my two cents.

Personally, I think a few tech minded of us should get together and send them a big ole list of things they'd have to include, and a summery of how to do it. It would almost definitly be ignored, but it'd be a good time making.

I've just played Deus Ex for the first time (before reading this thread mind you), and I have to say it rocks. If they were able to make a game that caught the feel of both Deus Ex and the shadowrun setting, and threw in graphics and smart solutions to gameplay that match todays best FPSs as well as a large aand openended world with interesting NPCs, a bit like morrowind, fallout or arcanum I guess, it would totally rock IMHO. But I sincerely doubt they'll even make it half of what I want, and the first person view isn't very good foor melee, spellcasting, decking or npc-interaction imo (even deus ex "zoomed out" to 3rd person when you talked to people and changed the screen completely in the simple hacking you could do). And with that in mind they might be making a game that focuses less on melee, spellcasting, decking and npc interaction and more on one wired hero, with an APIII and a single linear plotline, wich is what comes to my mind if someone mentions a SR FPS.

I'd probably look into it if it ever came out for PC no matter what they made though.

for a FPS I always liked the original Thief and Thief 2. Haven't played the newest version yet.

The thing I loved about it was that you were best served by being sneaky. Stealth was the key, and for most 'runs it pays to be stealthy.

FASA Interactive (or I think it might be FASA Studios now?) is a division/subsidiary/owned by Microsoft, and is part of their gaming department.

Since not everyone was around for this, or wasn't paying attention at the time, the sequence of events goes a little something like this, if I recall:

The original company was FASA Corporation, makers of the tabletop games we all know and love. They spawned a spinoff company called FASA Interactive, which was created to handle the video game versions of your favorite FASA games. By having the video games handled by a separate company, they isolated the book publishing side of the business from disaster if the unthinkable happened and the video game business tanked. (Those Mechwarrior Virtual Worlds Entertainment arcades were a bit of a financial risk, after all).

However, because it was a separate company, they had to work out a deal that protected the parent company's intellectual property rights. They opted for the simplest solution possible: The parent company, FASA Corp, sold the perpetual right to develop electronic games based on FASA Corp's game settings, to FASA Interactive. (I say sold, but really, any moneychanging was little more than some accounting shuffling, since both companies were being run by the same people.)

So, around the same time that SR3 was hitting the shelves, FASA interactive announced the plans for a game called Shadowrun: Assassin. Details were sketchy, but supposedly the title character would have been a female elf assassin, and the game would have been various wetwork missions.

Soon after, FASA Corp. found themselves in need of an influx of cash, to buy themselves a few more months of solvency before they would go bankrupt. It just so happened that Microsoft Game Studios happened to really like the sales numbers they saw on the Battletech/Mechwarrior PC games, and decided that something that successful needed to be assimilated into the BorgMicrosoft collective.

Microsoft offered to buy FASA Interactive lock-stock-and-barrel. While it's true they just wanted the license to the Battletech/Mechwarrior franchise, and the programming team that had put together those particular games, once they'd made the offer for the company, it would have taken a lot of deal re-negotiation if FASA Interactive had wanted to try to sell back the rights to develop videogames for the other gameworld settings such as Shadowrun, back to FASA Corp, especially seeing as how they had a Shadowrun game in early production at the time.

In the end, simplicity won out, and FASA Interactive, and the associated video game production rights, ended up getting bought out by Microsoft. FASA Corp took the fat wad of Microsoft's cash, and used it so that they could put their house in order, allowing them to close up shop with their accounts in the black instead of in the red.

Now unfortunately, Shadowrun: Assassin was immediately shelved by Microsoft after the purchase, because they were afraid that it'd compete with a similar title they had in development at the time. However, they kept the licensing rights, and as it's been pointed out, they even kept the FASA Interactive going as it's own little autonomous unit, renamed as FASA Studio.

That's more or less what I heard, though AFAIK they didn't sell FASA Interactive to shore up the pen & paper line but to start new projects of their own (thus creating WizKids). I also heard FASA Interactive sold for $70 millions, but I never confirmed that number.

Im so dissapointed that it will be a FPS.. that means _no_ good story.. I want another RPG.. heck.. I wouldnt mind a MMO out of SR.. SR certainly has the potential for it considering the pen n paper rpg.. =)

Why does that feel suspiciously like the start of a Megacorp entertainment cartel to me....


So what I want to know is, when does Bill Gates' BMW become a mobile block of extraterritorial immunity?

about the time we see food riots in new york...

OW MY TEETH.

I'm sure there will be a crappy port to PC. Or we'll just all pira^H^H^H^H buy a copy.


/emulation baby!

I'm sorry... I'm just a bit of an idiot today...

Has anything new come up about the game, or is it pretty much dead?

Sorry, didnt read the join date for once, i find them to be unreliable. After all, all these people joined Feb 2nd or something, like, over half the board i think. psh, yea right. I think some AI adam just randomly assigns some of them....

As for new knews, i have no idea, i didnt get the 360 yet, donno if i will

Google didn't turn up anything... damn, I was looking forward to this...

Joined to actually let people know what little information I just recently found. Hot off the rumor press : http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/10464/Artist...s-in-the-Works/

Used to play lots of PnP rpg's back in the day including SR. Hopefully they do it justice !

Pick a paragraph, any paragraph, and my first reaction is wanting to tear out my eyes while cursing the moon.

*mutter* damn moon... *mutter*

Eh, I now think that the only thing we need to make a Shadowrun video game is a really thorough patch of Deus Ex. I mean, since there's the SDK for it and everything I'm suprised that no Shadowrun fans have started to do it. All that you'd need to do is change the weapon skins, call it "cyberwear" instead of "nanotech", remove the reticle unless you have a smartlink, and you're good to go.

please someone tell me i have permission to gut the writer of that horrible article. I promise to make their demise as slow and painful as possible....



please

Permission granted.

What a pile of poo.

Good news, folks.
Can't wait for Christmas .

haha. My sentiments exactly.

<rant>Everyone knows that an SR MMO would kick the Pants off of most MMOs out there.. Look at what Stormreach did, and that's an honestly rather badly done MMO (not to mention there's no Solo content whatsoever, no crafting, no Monks, no Druids, no Halflings, no Dwarves... and 98% of players are Warforged barbarians, but I digress)
SRO Would be the next Anarchy Online. But alas, it's probably gonna be a First person shooter... yeesh, like we don't have enough of those...

It'd better come out for the PC. </Rant>

Considering how small of a market share SR has, I'm starting to wonder if any publicity is good publicity, though. Even a bad game may be good for us, if it creates brand awareness.

do i get any awards for starting the most-often-ressurected thread in the history of the boards?

Don't MAKE me resurrect the Horrors thread.

Hmm....*goes busily searching the archive for a long running older thread*

Echo Kage. Maybe it's like how in middle school "That's so baddddd" meant "really good".

Hm... Even an FPS probably won't kill the game.

Then again, after reading this, I'm not sure there'll be anything to kill by Christmas.

To quote Jon Stewart, "and now for your moment of zen."

Those numbers are misleading. They don't track direct sales, for example.

It's quite an unfortunate fact that the author has a much clearer grasp of basic statistics than any of you do.

Maybe, I don't know, it could have come in hand with SR4.

But, seriously, that's the best you can do? Thank god for Battletech.

/yawn/

Meh. I wasn't talking about "sales figures". I was talking about driving a game into abject suckitude in order to appeal to the kiddies.

[QUOTE=Valentinew,Mar 16 2006, 12:08 PM] [QUOTE=ShadowDragon8685,Jul 20 2005, 03:25 AM] The Sega game was a good SR game. [/QUOTE]
The Sega Game wasn't bad but was hard as hell. And Stormreach does have halflings and dwarves. Apparently they plan on adding much more to the set as well (things like druids and monks, maybe even prestige classes). I haven't played the beta much or read a ton about it but if the sales are good it could expand significantly (perhaps even psionics). As for the 360 version of Shadowrun, I've played some good FPS with decent storyline, think Halo 1 and 2 or System Shock (computer). At least Microsoft will make it look pretty if nothing else.

Please god do not think Halo. I haven't played through Halo 2, so I can't comment. Marathon, Pathways into Darkness, Deus Ex… there's a long list of strong-story FPSs out there. Halo is not one of them.

~J

I remember at one time getting to know your point of view about Halo rather thoroughly, Kage.

And for once I agree with you. Shadowrun requires more complexity and better story than Halo. (But Halo rocks anyway on it's own merits *ducks for cover*)

So you did

But yeah, the story was a place we were in agreement. I'm not going to bite your head off over the rest, don't worry.

That's what I have ninja for.

~J

never presume a man does not have ninjas at his disposal.