And yes, for that reason, I will not buy the game. If it did not have the Shadowrun name on it, I would likely buy it. As it stands, I'm not going to dirty my karma with it. If they made an SR game that represented SR, I would likely buy it.

It's not that I see something you don't, it's that it might be an awesome FPS. And I am just as pissed as you are about them attaching the SR name to it.

Nope. I'm not signed up on their forum, and don't plan to be. Instead, I'm just going to get the word out to people I know who might now or at some point own either a 360 or Vista and poison the game in their minds.

Think globally, act locally. Viral marketing is where it's at these days, didn't you get the message?

Edit: athros, if you believe it might be awesome you're seeing something I'm not. There isn't a whole lot of gameplay information there, but little of it looks good from where I'm sitting.

~J

Not really. I use to play FPSs, and nearly exclusively PVP, but these days I don't nearly as much as they are hard on my wrist. Otherwise at this point i'd certainly still give it a chance to show me what it can do, as just a game, in the final release. It looks like it has some interesting possibilities for game play in it.

Counterstrike with a twist of spells? Ya sure, i'd check it out.

Ok, then let me rephrase. I think that because they are attaching the SR name to a game that does not accurately represent Shadowrun, it is going to suck absolute ass. It might be a good/awesome FPS, and I am inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt with the limited information and actual gameplay footage, but I will not buy something that disregards what SR is.

Agreed. The fact that X-men and Spiderman has made for much more successful movies than that Daredevil sludge is a small testament to the very scarce but o so sweet existence of justice and good taste in this world.

Was kind of joking mate.

An overly dramatic conjuration of a spirit, or command to manifest an elemental is what it seems to me. Or were you talking about turning into smoke?

Something else that bugs me about this is that it's set in 2021, yet there are apparent elves in the tribal team. And so it came to pass... has UGE not starting until 2011 -- so they're 10?

Where have I read that before?

Actually you know. Corporation as clear-cut Good Guy? In this day and age that really is daring and different!

I know there must be another case of a benevolent Corporation somewhere in fiction, but I just can't think of one! Anybody?

I cringe at the thought of him getting near our beloved game. Ugh.

As for the Console game... what do you expect? Its a console game! Dumb down the interface, dumb down the story line, more blood this is the cry of console gamers. PC games are "too complicated" whatever. There are so few good games released on consoles I am not surprised it will suck. Heaven forbid they make a Shadowrun game about Shadowrun.

I think this puts SR4 into perspective. It actually is the same game in very much the same world. With a similar tone.

Sure there are some storytelling backflips and a few MINOR adjustments, but all in all the biggest change has to do with removing huge hunking wads of tediousness (tediousness that many people apparently liked) and the patchwork created by the first two major revisions and a decade and a half of additions.

To start with there is the obvious effort that was put into doing so. FASA didn't even give "trying" lip service.


P.S. I really don't get the Corp is the clear-cut Good Guy out of what they have. What i see is the the Corp is NOT the ultimate picture of evil, but still they did manage to destroy 1/2 a city (causing uncounted deaths) through incompetence (hello Ares!) and are forcibily repressing the rest of the city. It doesn't take much scratching to get below the their PR slogan of "making the world a better place through commerce" to see the naked selfinterest below.

Nor are ancient protectors particularly altruistic. They come off somewhat above Winternight (which is obviously not a corp) and give the IE running that show a real dirty edge.

I think that i one thing of SR that they managed not to irradicate. No clear good guys.

The Batman TV series. That was a ultra-camp, public broadcast sanitized bastardization of Batman. But it has become a somewhat successful and culturally accepted take on Batman. Not the only one, but one of them.

How many people are there these days calling for Adam West's head on a platter for his part in that?

Whether the game is in the end judged as a quality, fun video game in it's medium (squad PVP FPS) or not still remains to be seen.

That's a complete and utter lie, and you know it. For all its flaws I don't want to compare SR4 to this monstrosity, but it is not remotely the same world, the same game, or a vaguely similar tone.

~J

blakkie, for chrissake, pay attention.

mfb, for chrissake, pay attention.

This has nothing to do with the game. I'm just discussing the tone of the discourse. As soon as I saw one of their shills use the word blinders and constantly condescend about how they know more, I swear I was reading a freelancer's or playtester's (or both) posts back in late spring and summer of last year, especially in light of re-reading all of RPGpundit the other day looking for his Kenson-bashing quotes.

And the critical posts are just as vicious (although, like the complaints here, hardly as ignorant as claimed by defenders) as they were last year.

The games themselves? Irrelevant to me.

But, you see, Adam West was excellent in the role. He pulled it off in a way that most other people couldn't (George Clooney, if I ever see you I will ask for my money back). Camp isn't easy to do well. Adam did it well.

Now, it isn't just that Shadowrun is bastardized. It is that what we have been shown doesn't look link anything but standard genre fare. If it has the quality and appeal of Adam West's Batman then mor epower to them. I havn't seen anything to suggest that it will. This looks more like the Batman and Robin of Shadowrun.

If they would do THAT then I would start collecting money from all DS’ers so that we could buy the rights for the Shadowrun RPG and make our own Shadowrun game – SR5 with a HUUGE disclaimer telling future gamers that SR4 never existed and that it was just a myth.

Have you actually looked in the forum?

It is almost entirely filled by angy angy people.

yep, badly labeld context switching is a bitch...