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Scope_47
@Blackhat
If Malloc.1 wants to, he can crash with Jane and only pay for the increase that comes from having a roommate (so 1000 nuyen a month). Jane is paying her lifestyle with her money from her dayjob smile.gif Jane's lifestyle is in the spoiler
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- Scope
Ears
OK, I'll finalize Clamp then.

He's in Detroit and won't change anymore save for GM prompting.

@Tarantala, cndblank: I guess Clamp might have heard a little about Easy and Brick, wether they've already heard of yet another new runner could go either way. Perhaps he get's talked about as some kind of inside joke around real runners.

Anyway here's the full writeup:

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DWC
I think I'm finally done with tweaking him. Here's the final incarnation of Vice.

Background
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Stats
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Skills
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Resources:
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Contacts:
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Oenone
QUOTE (Gremish @ Aug 12 2008, 06:50 PM) *
It would work for threading


Nice, takes it from being an handy flavor ability to being a really major bonus to the characters core abilities.

@Gremish Any flaws you've seen with the character? Or am I okay to count her as finished? I was hoping I could use a Coffin Motel for her lifestyle, like the one listed in RC under the sample hotels bit. Preferably one without a person on the desk and ideally near to a busy bus/train/pedestrian zone.

Edit - Oh and how are you working Licenses? One for every bit of gear? Or would some professions get some included? I was assuming a Private Investigator one would grant some of the sensor packages, but if not I'll just have to keep them hidden in the Attache Case (providing they'll fit).

@Blackhat - Hmm I thought RC said innate programs are limited to the starting value at character creation?
I guess it works if we're counting the Karma spends as 'after they're technically done'? As opposed to still being in the character creation stage.

A general question, does anyone know if Mesh tags are re-usable? Or are they one use items? How big would they be and in theory could you spike someones food with one? (My random idea being you stick it in a targets food, then use the mesh tag to boost the signal of any cyberware implants so you can remote hack them via the tag.)

Oh and how big exactly is a rating 6 Vacuum packing machine going to be? Could you comfortably carry it in a back pack?
DWC
QUOTE (Oenone @ Aug 12 2008, 06:16 PM) *
A general question, does anyone know if Mesh tags are re-usable? Or are they one use items? How big would they be and in theory could you spike someones food with one? (My random idea being you stick it in a targets food, then use the mesh tag to boost the signal of any cyberware implants so you can remote hack them via the tag.)


That is both cool and terrifying.

Oenone
QUOTE (DWC @ Aug 13 2008, 12:19 AM) *
That is both cool and terrifying.



Never accept candy from a Technomancer.

rotfl.gif
Gremish
QUOTE (Oenone @ Aug 12 2008, 07:16 PM) *
@Gremish Any flaws you've seen with the character? Or am I okay to count her as finished? I was hoping I could use a Coffin Motel for her lifestyle, like the one listed in RC under the sample hotels bit. Preferably one without a person on the desk and ideally near to a busy bus/train/pedestrian zone.

Edit - Oh and how are you working Licenses? One for every bit of gear? Or would some professions get some included? I was assuming a Private Investigator one would grant some of the sensor packages, but if not I'll just have to keep them hidden in the Attache Case (providing they'll fit).


No issues from what i am seeing. Consider her finished as far as I am concerned for now.

I will give you a few minor licenses for things but for the most part you will still need them for the major stuff (anything over a pistol)
BlackHat
QUOTE (Scope_47 @ Aug 12 2008, 05:36 PM) *
@Blackhat
If Malloc.1 wants to, he can crash with Jane and only pay for the increase that comes from having a roommate (so 1000 nuyen a month). Jane is paying her lifestyle with her money from her dayjob smile.gif Jane's lifestyle is in the spoiler


Its Malloc "i" not "1" (pronounced Malakai). smile.gif And that lifestyle looks pretty cool too (and the price is right), but I still like the one I came up with. I expect Malloc.I will drop in on you occasionally, anyway, and if he ever has to bail on his current lifestyle, he'll consider moving in over there.
Intro
Background, Lifestyle, et al.

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Stats
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So I think he's pretty finished unless there's something totally unforeseen that somebody points out.
Scope_47
Hi hi smile.gif

I finished Jane's background... she turned out to be one twisted little cookie, but should be a lot of fun. I've got to make a few more tweaks to her stats though (just equipment tweaks mainly). Enjoy smile.gif

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- Scope
DWC
QUOTE (Scope_47 @ Aug 12 2008, 09:37 PM) *
Hi hi smile.gif

I finished Jane's background... she turned out to be one twisted little cookie, but should be a lot of fun. I've got to make a few more tweaks to her stats though (just equipment tweaks mainly). Enjoy smile.gif

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- Scope


Suddenly, I'm extremely curious what mental problems Brick has. We're establishing a pretty brutal trend for defective vatjobs. This is not a group of people who are going to be healthy for each other to be around. I love this game.
Scope_47
Yeah... most people in cyberpunk are either crazy or well on their way anyway - especially runners smile.gif But its a good kind of crazy - the kind that can get the job done.

I'm still playing with equipment... basically at this point I just have to decide how bad I want to destroy Jane's (most of the time she'll be Jane... Julia for face stuff aside from negotiating with the Johnson... Enigma only comes out if we're doing something that requires the touch of a maniac with a tommy gun... thank goodness for theatrical makeup LOL) essence to free up more cash. Right now she's pretty fragile - body of 4 and ballistic armor of 11... I could free up the BP for the quality and buy her a pain editor, but that would get her down to like .015 essence or something along those lines - wouldn't affect her other stats since I'd drop her reaction and then up it again with reaction enhancers... I just have to be sure I want the cash bad enough to drop her from over 1 essence to next to nothing.

Right now she's a face and compliments Brick's tankiness with some shootiness... so they should make a good sammie duo at least. Anyone have opinions before I finalize her stats?

- Scope
crizh
QUOTE (DWC @ Aug 13 2008, 04:36 AM) *
Suddenly, I'm extremely curious what mental problems Brick has. We're establishing a pretty brutal trend for defective vatjobs. This is not a group of people who are going to be healthy for each other to be around. I love this game.


I'll not tell you about Granny's secret lusts....
Scope_47
QUOTE (crizh @ Aug 13 2008, 04:08 AM) *
I'll not tell you about Granny's secret lusts....


Jane: "You go girl! Old people need loving too!"
Enigma: "And the angel said unto her, ye shall know the flesh of kings and mortal men... yet flesh is but the beginning."
Julia: "Good lord, you people are insane... she's our damned den mother... I don't want to think of her in that context"

+grins+

This is going to be a blast rotfl.gif

- Scope
DWC
QUOTE (Scope_47 @ Aug 13 2008, 02:40 AM) *
Yeah... most people in cyberpunk are either crazy or well on their way anyway - especially runners smile.gif But its a good kind of crazy - the kind that can get the job done.


It's just a great coincidence. Jane has MPD, Vice is a pill-popping lech, Clamps is a thrill-seeking lunatic, and, well, I'm sure anyone who's missing all four of his limbs has to have something loose rattling around in his skull.

QUOTE (Scope_47 @ Aug 13 2008, 02:40 AM) *
I'm still playing with equipment... basically at this point I just have to decide how bad I want to destroy Jane's (most of the time she'll be Jane... Julia for face stuff aside from negotiating with the Johnson... Enigma only comes out if we're doing something that requires the touch of a maniac with a tommy gun... thank goodness for theatrical makeup LOL) essence to free up more cash. Right now she's pretty fragile - body of 4 and ballistic armor of 11... I could free up the BP for the quality and buy her a pain editor, but that would get her down to like .015 essence or something along those lines - wouldn't affect her other stats since I'd drop her reaction and then up it again with reaction enhancers... I just have to be sure I want the cash bad enough to drop her from over 1 essence to next to nothing.

Right now she's a face and compliments Brick's tankiness with some shootiness... so they should make a good sammie duo at least. Anyone have opinions before I finalize her stats?

- Scope


I spent quite a while wrestling over the same thing about shoring up Vice's durability by sacrificing some of his situational awareness. In the end, I figured a maxed out Reaction and 14 dice for soaking ballistic damage would probably suffice in most cases. Once things get rolling, a few minor cyberware alpha upgrades will free up enough Essence for more muscle toner, a trauma damper, and orthoskin. When it came to pulling up based on how fast his Essence was dropping, it didn't even cross my mind. Foresight and restraint are really not things he's going to do when he's trying to keep up with the Jones.
DWC
QUOTE (crizh @ Aug 13 2008, 04:08 AM) *
I'll not tell you about Granny's secret lusts....


Yeah. That brings up another question with two distinct, but probably equally hilarious answers. Has Vice known Granny long enough to know she's been Leonized?
crizh
QUOTE (DWC @ Aug 13 2008, 12:30 PM) *
Yeah. That brings up another question with two distinct, but probably equally hilarious answers. Has Vice known Granny long enough to know she's been Leonized?


Oh yes. I was just assuming previous introductions stood and we've successfully completed several runs together. I would imagine the change is extremely disturbing on several levels.
DWC
QUOTE (crizh @ Aug 13 2008, 07:50 AM) *
Oh yes. I was just assuming previous introductions stood and we've successfully completed several runs together. I would imagine the change is extremely disturbing on several levels.


Definitely the funnier of the two answers.
BlackHat
Well, I'm glad I passed on setting up shop in the mansion of the starlet who also happens to be bat-shit-crazy. smile.gif Everyone sounds like they are going to be a lot of fun to play with. I am looking forward to this.
BlackHat
QUOTE (DWC @ Aug 13 2008, 08:03 AM) *
Definitely the funnier of the two answers.


I, personally, think it would have been funnier if Vice did not know, but had gotten jiggy with it a few times, already.
cndblank
QUOTE (crizh @ Aug 13 2008, 03:08 AM) *
I'll not tell you about Granny's secret lusts....



Why Granny, why do you have a mountain lion on painted on the side of your Taxi Cab?
cndblank
Put the little one down last night and then crashed.

I'll get my gear out tonight.

I am dropping the substaining focus in favor of a power focus. The extra dice, higher force, and larger area of effect was just too good to pass up.

As I said any suggestions would be appreciated. I mostly GM and it has been while since I played a mage (and I've never played a SR 4 mage).



QUOTE (cndblank @ Aug 11 2008, 11:58 PM) *
EZ Rough (thought I had better post something).

Any suggestions?
Still working on the gear list, but he has a weapon focus 1 and a Detection Sustaining 3.

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Gremish
I am going to keep char gen open until Friday at least. We will most likely be starting a OOC and IC on Monday so please get your characters fleshed out his week so we can be rolling by early next week. I will have everything else ready by then (I hope!) I know there are still a TON of questions about the campaign however I like to be a little secretive.

Fire questions away though for me now so we can hash out everything.
BlackHat
I have a small amount of nuyen left to spend, but I think I am otherwise all set. I'll make sure I get to that today or tomorrow.
Tarantula
I just realized I totally spaced out on Brick's knowledge skills. I'll see what I can do to work on those today.
DWC
QUOTE (BlackHat @ Aug 13 2008, 07:05 AM) *
I, personally, think it would have been funnier if Vice did not know, but had gotten jiggy with it a few times, already.


Funnier for us, looking through the fourth wall, sure. But nowhere near as awkward from an IC perspective.
Tarantula
And here brick is again, now with knowledge skills!

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cndblank
Someone with his strength should have a throwing skill.

Also does he had a ride? I'd offer to share mine, but I doubt he would fit.


QUOTE (Tarantula @ Aug 13 2008, 11:01 AM) *
And here brick is again, now with knowledge skills!

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BlackHat
Someone mentioned something about folding him into the trunk.
Edit: Maybe he should get modular cyberlimbs, so we can pop them off for transportation.
Ears
But which skill covers Modular Troll Assembly? Industrial mechanics or vehicle mechanics?
We wouldn't want to put him back together the wrong way, would we?
Tarantula
He had one, till I squeaked up the cash for the pain editor... Now? I guess he just walks, those legs gotta be good for somethin how much they cost...
Oenone
QUOTE (Ears @ Aug 13 2008, 06:52 PM) *
But which skill covers Modular Troll Assembly? Industrial mechanics or vehicle mechanics?
We wouldn't want to put him back together the wrong way, would we?


Cybertechnology perhaps?

And would it be bad if I said yes, yes we would? What could be funnier than putting the trolls arms on the wrong way around! At least up until he figured out who was to blame for such hijinks and got revenge by swapping your meat arms around....

Edit -

@Glyph. I don't suppose you've had any good ideas on a connection yet? Aside from friend of a friend or perhaps visiting the same kind of parties I'm low on ideas. Although I guess a TM might try make friends with mages to find out if the two things are in any way connected.
DWC
QUOTE (Oenone @ Aug 13 2008, 04:16 PM) *
Cybertechnology perhaps?

And would it be bad if I said yes, yes we would? What could be funnier than putting the trolls arms on the wrong way around! At least up until he figured out who was to blame for such hijinks and got revenge by swapping your meat arms around....


"I don't have to outrun the bear. I just have to outrun you."

Just sayin'
Oenone
QUOTE (DWC @ Aug 13 2008, 09:55 PM) *
"I don't have to outrun the bear. I just have to outrun you."

Just sayin'


Sadly Brick is in possession of considerably more firepower than most bears! Shifters with gun fetishes aside. smile.gif

Intro
QUOTE (DWC @ Aug 13 2008, 04:55 PM) *
"I don't have to outrun the bear. I just have to outrun you."

Just sayin'

And if the blame should just happen to fall on the dwarf carrying around heavy weapons, outrunning him shouldn't be that hard to do.
Ears
QUOTE (Intro @ Aug 13 2008, 09:00 PM) *
And if the blame should just happen to fall on the dwarf carrying around heavy weapons, outrunning him shouldn't be that hard to do.


If you think of outrunning the dwarf you're thinking not fast enough. Outrunning the shockwave from his explosives once he goes boom will be when it gets interesting. grinbig.gif

Besides he'll actually sprint faster then a certain low strength no running mage. wink.gif
cndblank
QUOTE (Ears @ Aug 13 2008, 04:46 PM) *
If you think of outrunning the dwarf you're thinking not fast enough. Outrunning the shockwave from his explosives once he goes boom will be when it gets interesting. grinbig.gif

Besides he'll actually sprint faster then a certain low strength no running mage. wink.gif



Who makes sure he loses enough in poker that the troll will be carrying him.

Got to be prepared.
Scope_47
QUOTE (Ears @ Aug 13 2008, 05:46 PM) *
If you think of outrunning the dwarf you're thinking not fast enough. Outrunning the shockwave from his explosives once he goes boom will be when it gets interesting. grinbig.gif


Jane: "Now THAT sounds like a party!"

- Scope
DWC
QUOTE (Scope_47 @ Aug 13 2008, 06:24 PM) *
Jane: "Now THAT sounds like a party!"

- Scope


Shockwave surfing? Neat. Probably works better in the water, though.
Glyph
QUOTE (Oenone @ Aug 13 2008, 01:16 PM) *
@Glyph. I don't suppose you've had any good ideas on a connection yet? Aside from friend of a friend or perhaps visiting the same kind of parties I'm low on ideas. Although I guess a TM might try make friends with mages to find out if the two things are in any way connected.


I'm not sure. I know Weaver's history, but not too much about what kind of personality she has, so I don't know how she and Viper would mesh, or clash. She might have met her through her hacker contact, Piro. Partying seems most likely, if Weaver is the partying type at all. Viper is definitely a party animal. Maybe she could be the "crazy friend who always gets you into trouble." And a mage and a technomancer would be a pretty potent mix for getting into trouble.
Scope_47
Alrighty, here is what I hope is the final incarnation of Jane's character sheet. I ultimately decided to rape her essence since a low essence makes sense for her backstory - and I gave her a pain editor since honestly feeling the pain of broken bones isn't something Sim-audiences want... so it makes sense that Horizon would have shoved one in her to save costs on post-production.

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Thoughts? Too much, not enough, or just right?

- Scope
BlackHat
Alright, I can't think of anything to really buy with the leftover cash - so lets say 900 goes to getting a +9 on starting cash rolls, and the rest is tied up in various datasofts Malloc.I has managed to collect. Otherwise, I think I'm good to go.
cndblank
My only suggestion is instead of having disguise (which anyone else with a high stealth skill group can do for you ) get the Stealth group 2.

Jane doesn't need much help with inflitration and palming (Still 12 dice is better than 9 dice), but it will make a big differance on the Shadowing (from 2 to 5) while only reducing the Disguise by 4 dices (from 9 to 5) until she can specialize again. And any one who has had to ditch the Paparazzi as much as Jane would be very good at loosing a tail or tailing someone.

QUOTE (Scope_47 @ Aug 14 2008, 01:15 AM) *
Alrighty, here is what I hope is the final incarnation of Jane's character sheet. I ultimately decided to rape her essence since a low essence makes sense for her backstory - and I gave her a pain editor since honestly feeling the pain of broken bones isn't something Sim-audiences want... so it makes sense that Horizon would have shoved one in her to save costs on post-production.

[ Spoiler ]


Thoughts? Too much, not enough, or just right?

- Scope

Gremish
QUOTE (cndblank @ Aug 14 2008, 09:57 AM) *
My only suggestion is instead of having disguise (which anyone else with a high stealth skill group can do for you ) get the Stealth group 2.


And if she is movie star type of girl she most likely always has her "makeup" done for her by a personal assistant anyway =)
Oenone
@Gremish - Silly question, but would you rule a Vacuum packing machine R6 will be easy to carry about? In say a backpack. Or would it be large and bulky? I know with modern technology they're generally a bit too big to move about. If it's big I might drop it as I see Weaver carrying everything she owns in her back pack.

QUOTE (Glyph @ Aug 14 2008, 05:10 AM) *
I'm not sure. I know Weaver's history, but not too much about what kind of personality she has, so I don't know how she and Viper would mesh, or clash. She might have met her through her hacker contact, Piro. Partying seems most likely, if Weaver is the partying type at all. Viper is definitely a party animal. Maybe she could be the "crazy friend who always gets you into trouble." And a mage and a technomancer would be a pretty potent mix for getting into trouble.


Hehe that works for me.

The reasoning behind which I've spoiler tagged, so anyone who wants to keep IC personality as a surprise!

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And below is her Lifestyle. Edited in.

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Edit number 2. After reading DWC's post I remembered I need to roll my starting cash. Which I've stuck under spoilers below.

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DWC
A little more Vice tweaking, because it's a quiet day in the office and I caught a math error.

Background
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Stats
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Skills
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Resources:
[ Spoiler ]


Lifestyle
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Assets:
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Contacts:
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Edit: Just noticed that I'd taken fake permits for Forbidden items, and hadn't specified what the concealed carry permits were for.
Gremish
QUOTE (Oenone @ Aug 14 2008, 01:08 PM) *
@Gremish - Silly question, but would you rule a Vacuum packing machine R6 will be easy to carry about? In say a backpack. Or would it be large and bulky? I know with modern technology they're generally a bit too big to move about. If it's big I might drop it as I see Weaver carrying everything she owns in her back pack.


Backpack works for me
DWC
QUOTE (Gremish @ Aug 12 2008, 05:00 PM) *
Once it is set in stone where everyone is I will hand out the little surprises!


Looks like we're solid on who's where, aside from some roommate details.
Glyph
Viper's starting cash:

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Scope_47
Starting cash for Julianne/Jane:

4d6=17

So 8500 nuyen to start out.


As for the suggestion on changing to a skill group - I'll look into it, but it is made a bit difficult since I paid for disguise with BP and the specialization and palming with Karma. She has the skillsoft for infiltration right now... I could swap that to disguise (she really needs it on her own so that she can change personas without help), and go with the skillgroup though... it'd drop her infiltration a little bit (from 15 to 12), but she can stand it.

- Scope
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