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Draco18s
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Dec 4 2008, 12:37 AM) *
The rest were either clearly not fully formed or had complete entries but no subtotals. I didn't want to go through item lists and Qualities etc. one by one.


Thanks for that, at least. I expect that Kingfisher is correct, as I was using the excel sheet (though its math is off on occasion). I'd likely have to do it manually to check, and I don't fancy that, but as I was making things I was checking for accuracy (I found a skill box that for some odd, indeterminate reason didn't register the ranks, so I left it blank and used the next one).
Bobson
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Dec 4 2008, 12:37 AM) *
I thought someone might be sensitive about arithmetic. Of the ones that had category totals, I counted:

Syren: 840
Azael: 803
Count Blacula: 827
Sir Thomas: 743 (no contacts listed)

The rest were either clearly not fully formed or had complete entries but no subtotals. I didn't want to go through item lists and Qualities etc. one by one.

Peter


Yeah, Sir Thomas is low, although I didn't realize I'd left him *that* many points left. I have a hard time with knowledge skills, contacts, lifestyle, and the such, so I tend to leave characters with some BP left... In actual games, I usually sit with someone else to get them finished off. I'll doublecheck my numbers for his spreadsheet tomorrow, just to make sure he really has that many points left to spend, then I'll take suggestions from people for how ot spend the rest of it nyahnyah.gif

Draco18s
Knowledge skills are the hardest thing for me to do. I rarely end up with something that's useful.
ElFenrir
Hmm...3 points over on Azael, very odd number-usually it's something like +/-5-15 or something or other. (Or what I usually do anyway. I've gone too high/too low before, and it's usually by a more significant amount.)

Which means I'm going to have to do some harsh combing to find out where I went over 3 BPs, since I used BPs to build him with(only used Karma to initiate.)

I might just knock a Contact down or something, should be the most painless way of taking care of it. Honestly, I sometimes *prefer* when I go over by a nice 10-20 points, as it's usually much easier to catch than the 1-3 point needle in the haystack. Of course, it's also more painful to adjust if you go too far over.

I also realized I have to update his background to fit the Awakened version. It probably wouldn't be much different; perhaps he Awakened in prison, or in the pits. Or he was awakened before, and just ended up ''funneling his powers'' during those times of greater stress.
Ryu
Celestial Servant:

090 Race (65+25)
-10 Net quality BPs
350 Attribute BPs
130 Skill Groups
088 Skills + Specs
030 Sustaining Foci (100k¥, bound at chargen)
039 Spells (13)
031 Connections + Magical Group
016 other Ressources
----
764 before initiation, which is bad - the Initiate degree of 4 costs 40 karma. Looks like "other ressources" has to be taken down to 60k¥.
pbangarth
Well, Ryu, others are using assisted Initiation, why don't you for Celestial Servant?

Peter

EDIT: Duh. I see you already are.
ElFenrir
OH! I forgot to adjust the score for Assisted Initation for Azael.

That not only takes care of it, but leaves a couple of points left over. biggrin.gif Sounds good to me.
Rad
Not sure if this is still going, but at my GM's suggestion I'm ramping up my Razor Eddie build to 800 bp for this. Should be interesting, as he's pretty damn scary at 400. Razor Eddie's a melee-oriented possession mage, based on the god from Simon Greene's Nightside novels. Most of the extra 400 is going to go towards an ally spirit.

I'll also work up my idea for a possession-tradition hacker--basically a mystic answer to the technomancer.
pbangarth
This should be interesting!

Peter
Bobson
QUOTE (Rad @ Dec 8 2008, 09:35 AM) *
I'll also work up my idea for a possession-tradition hacker--basically a mystic answer to the technomancer.


I had had the idea to try an adept hacker, but I never got around to putting it together. I'd love to see one smile.gif
Ryu
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Dec 8 2008, 07:22 AM) *
Well, Ryu, others are using assisted Initiation, why don't you for Celestial Servant?

Peter

EDIT: Duh. I see you already are.

Yes, I have that angle covered so to speak. Thanks anyway.

What would certainly make that character way more effective is the fifth initiation instead of the "Though as nails(2)" quality. The metamagic of choice would be "Advanced Masking". The leftover BP could actually raise ressources a bit.
pbangarth
It would appear all characters are malleable until Jake says otherwise.

Peter
pbangarth
Check out Squinky's rendition of Uncle Zola:

http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?s=&a...st&p=756146

Peter
ElFenrir
That is made of win, as I like to say. He always does awesome work. grinbig.gif

Possessed by a snake, and yeah...that smile is rather fitting for a possessed dude. I do really like it. Creepy is right!

--

Gah, I'm kind of having a visual brainfart here, and I can't find the cost to assisted initiation, which our fellows seem to be doing(if the other fighter-folks are in for the fighting-group.) I want to actually see just how much Azael saves; it's more than 3 BP I have a feeling, and if so, I can actually toss something else onto him, perhaps.

*still shamefully la...erm, busy and needs to update the background to include the magic awakening.*
pbangarth
Street Magic, page 50: 20% off (rounded up) for group initiation, another 20% off (rounded up) for ordeals, for a total of 40% (rounded up) if you use both.

Peter
Draco18s
Mind that there's a 5 Karma cost for joining a group, so unless you initiate a second time you won't save Karma (and all of 1 if you initiate twice as group+ordeal).
ElFenrir
Hmm, so...

13k(level 1 initation), x.40(Group + Ordeal, i guess we're assuming ordeals?)=5.2, round to 6(since it's round up).
16k(Level 2): x.40=6.4, round to 7.

13 Karma saved

5 to join

8 Karma saved.

Brings Azael down to 795 points, of which I could put either on Contacts or to Resources, if I did the math right.

...for the record, I usually don't min-max this hard. grinbig.gif But I figure since I didn't add the group stuff in, why not?
Ryu
Yes, I at least am assuming ordeals. I´ve rarely seen undiscounted initiations in a game anyway.

Grade/Base/-40%/Sum of -40%

CODE
1    13    7    7
2    16    9    16
3    19    11    27
4    22    13    40
5    25    15    55
6    28    16    71
7    31    18    89
pbangarth
I decided not to use group initiation for Uncle Zola for fluff reasons. In New Orleans, the Zobop criminal organization appears from the literature to be corralling Voodoo houngans, so I figured the individualist Zola wouldn't get involved with something that might link him to them or worse, indebt him to them.

On the other hand, Bongo Slade and Syren formed their own group.

Peter
pbangarth
So, I have been playing with an adept I have had floating around for a few years. I wondered how he might fit into this group. I present him here for folks to have a gander and a chuckle. In his back story, he transforms from Kasimir the Ugly, to Borat the Indestructible, to...

Oro the Unstoppable

Backstory:

[ Spoiler ]


Stats:

[ Spoiler ]





Peter
Draco18s
Dear lord, that's insane.
pbangarth
It was just pointed out to me in another thread that I have been applying the Increase Attribute (xxx) spell incorrectly... conveniently ignoring the fact that it has to be cast at a Force equal to or greater than the base value of the Attribute being improved. So, for Uncle Zola, I have been improving his CHA and WIL and sustaining those effects with Foci too small. Now, he could sustain those spells anyway without Foci, but the improvement would be lessened by 4 (-2 dice for each sustained spell).

I am going to have to rethink him. Damn. He's still scary, dammit! Still scary!

Peter

EDIT:

Hah! Hah again I say! So they think they can beat me, over there in that other thread where they showed me my error? Hah!

So, I gave up on Uncle Zola being the most charismatic individual on Earth, but only by a touch. And I gave up sustaining the Increase WIL through a Focus. What I got in return, though, is pretty good. See Post #58 for the updated Uncle Zola.

What I did:

Drop Exceptional Attribute (CHA) Quality -- gain 20 BP
Change CHA from 8 to 6 -- gain 20 BP
give up the F3 (health) sustaining Focus -- gain 9 BP
TOTAL +49 BP

Raise Sustaining Focus 4 to 6
(to hold F6 Increase CHA spell, or Incr. Reflexes spell) -- lose 6 BP
Raise Power Focus from 3 to 7 (!!) -- lose 24 BP
Raise EDG from 3 to 4 -- lose 10 BP
Raise Counterspelling from 2 to 4 -- lose 8 BP
Add 1 service to bound Water spirit -- lose 1 BP
TOTAL -49 BP

So Uncle Zola is 3 dice weaker for Drain Resistance, but 4 dice stronger for all Magic related Tests; must sustain the Increase WIL spell if he really wants it, but gets 2 more dice to resist spells; gets another service from the spirt; and gets one more EDG to save his hoop. All in all, I think it's OK. He will have to be a little more conservative in his summoning now... that's the part that hurts the most.

And that little doll on his belt is F7 and REALLY scary now. And so is Uncle Zola!!

Peter
Glyph
I like Oro the Unstoppable's backstory. Are some of his powers from the Digital Grimoire? Because I don't recognize some of them.
pbangarth
QUOTE (Glyph @ Dec 19 2008, 06:03 PM) *
I like Oro the Unstoppable's backstory. Are some of his powers from the Digital Grimoire? Because I don't recognize some of them.


Yes. Heightened Concentration and Elemental Resistance are from the Digital Grimoire.

Thanks for the feedback. The story just flowed out and I had fun reading it as it came.

Peter
pbangarth
So, not much activity here for a while, so I thought I would drop in another character. How about a magician who can counterspell for up to 18 dice, and has 50, count 'em, 50 skills?

EDITED: 13 January 2009 - see discussion below

Introducing Stardust:
Background
[ Spoiler ]

Stats
[ Spoiler ]
pbangarth
It's been two days, and NOBODY has thrown abuse or anything hard at me yet about Stardust!

Peter
Glyph
Frankly, all of that double spacing on the stats made it almost painful to read. wobble.gif

Good background, eccentric but most of the builds here are far from "trenchcoat". SURGE might actually have fit his background (except that might take the focus away from his awakening as his big moment of change) - the metagenetic attribute improvement is better than exceptional attribute, since it is a bonus as well as an increase to the maximum rating.

Stat-wise, replace the counterspelling focus with a shielding focus - same cost, but works on all spells. If you can find a way to squeeze in another initiation, this build almost begs for reflecting. Why just jam it, when you can send it screaming back right at them? Are those two focus-disrupting spells from the Digital Grimoire? They seem incredibly limited, at least by the descriptions. I've never quite understood that tactic, actually. Why take out someone's focus, when the same amount of magical energy could take out them? I don't have the PDF, though, so for all I know, they could actually be pretty effective spells.
pbangarth
QUOTE (Glyph @ Jan 12 2009, 09:36 PM) *
Frankly, all of that double spacing on the stats made it almost painful to read. wobble.gif


Yeah, I am having trouble figuring out why I get that double spacing when I cut and paste from Word. Sorry. If someone knows, please tell me.

QUOTE
Good background, eccentric but most of the builds here are far from "trenchcoat". SURGE might actually have fit his background (except that might take the focus away from his awakening as his big moment of change) - the metagenetic attribute improvement is better than exceptional attribute, since it is a bonus as well as an increase to the maximum rating.


I'll look into that, thanks, though I wonder about the BP cost.

QUOTE
Stat-wise, replace the counterspelling focus with a shielding focus - same cost, but works on all spells. If you can find a way to squeeze in another initiation, this build almost begs for reflecting. Why just jam it, when you can send it screaming back right at them? Are those two focus-disrupting spells from the Digital Grimoire? They seem incredibly limited, at least by the descriptions. I've never quite understood that tactic, actually. Why take out someone's focus, when the same amount of magical energy could take out them? I don't have the PDF, though, so for all I know, they could actually be pretty effective spells.


The Shielding focus is actually half the nuyen cost! But twice the availability target, which is not an issue here. Shielding only works as spells are being cast, but the counterspelling focus Stardust has is for combat spells, and none of those can be sustained/quickened anyway. This is a great point, and may make one or both of the above suggestions affordable. Thanks again.

The focus disruption spells are indeed from DG. Stardust learned them for a theoretical reason. Their function conforms to his theory that he can learn about magic as it is being taken apart. He believes he can learn something from the way power disintegrates. This is not RAW, it's just Stardust. And he has two foci he can practice on... power and counterspelling.

A second reason may simply be he figures it may be useful someday to keep the mage alive, but weakened. Hey, Stardust is a little 'out there'. So are these spells. If I rethink the focus he has, I may rethink the spells too.

Peter
pbangarth
OK, I edited Stardust a bit, to do the following:
- switch the counterspelling focus for a shileding focus
- drop the disrupt counterspelling spell (but keep the disrupt power focus spell)
- reduce gear a bit
- drop Binding skill by 1
- initiate a third time, but not to take Reflecting (though it is cool) but to take Cleansing, as it is more up Stardust's theoretical alley, as it and the to-be-taken-later Filtering work in things like background count, and in fact -may- be effective against things like Astral Hazing. This last gives Stardust a broader magical skill set, which obviously fits his modus operandi, and allows him to study another kind of magical disintegration.

Peter
Glyph
As far as the BP cost for SURGE goes, it is actually cheaper. You buy SURGE II for 10 BP, get metagenetic improvement/Logic for your 20 points of positive SURGE qualities, pick 10 points of negative SURGE qualities (which don't count against your limit), and overall you've saved 10 BP, at the expense of having to pick 10 points of negative SURGE qualities, but those could enhance your concept if you picture him with an unusual look (silvery skin and slightly luminescent eyes, for example).
pbangarth
The SURGE stuff looks profitable, Glyph, but I can't see it fitting Stardust's story all that well. And I think I've played with his stats enough. So I'll keep that stuff in mind for another character.

Thanks,

Peter
pbangarth
Well, perhaps not with the same intent, but Dreamseed is the kind of experience Bongo Slade is seeking!

Peter
InfinityzeN
Wow, no one produced the ultra twinked out street sam from hell yet?!

I am greatly shocked and disqusted by you all...
pbangarth
QUOTE (InfinityzeN @ Feb 10 2009, 11:32 AM) *
Wow, no one produced the ultra twinked out street sam from hell yet?!

I am greatly shocked and disqusted by you all...


So, show us what we're missing! Then we can see if he/she can stand up to Oro.
Draco18s
BTW, something I noticed in my own build that may garner a few more BP if you haven't already found it:
It's cheaper to buy a maxed stat with Karma than it is with BP.

I recovered some 25 points, though I haven't figured out where they're going yet.
InfinityzeN
I'm thinking a 15 Agility twinked Elven Gunbunny from hell, just for you guyz that don't like el'vz. Though with a Human or Orc I could get up to a 13 Agility and be happy with it... NAAAAAAA... 15 Agility is the target.

(Fore ya ask, 7 base + 1 Genetic + 1 Exceptional + 1 Surge = 10 (15))
pbangarth
From Draco18:
QUOTE
BTW, something I noticed in my own build that may garner a few more BP if you haven't already found it:
It's cheaper to buy a maxed stat with Karma than it is with BP.

I recovered some 25 points, though I haven't figured out where they're going yet.


"Ahhh.. Grasshopper. When you can snatch the BP from my hand, then you are ready to twink."
pbangarth
QUOTE (InfinityzeN @ Feb 10 2009, 12:47 PM) *
I'm thinking a 15 Agility twinked Elven Gunbunny from hell, just for you guyz that don't like el'vz. Though with a Human or Orc I could get up to a 13 Agility and be happy with it... NAAAAAAA... 15 Agility is the target.

(Fore ya ask, 7 base + 1 Genetic + 1 Exceptional + 1 Surge = 10 (15))


Go for it!
Coldhand Jake
Well, you guys seem to be really loving this experiment. It's gotten completely out of hand! Good work.
Octopiii
I think we need some Fictional Shadowrunners to round out the builds.

Presenting: Karl Kombat Mage!
"You stole my soul, my family, and my future. Your life is fair payment!"

[ Spoiler ]


With only a magic of 4, Karl is going to do a lot of overcasting. However, aside from spirits and astral entities, he will be doing most of his destruction dealing with his his trusty SMG (which the Fluff said was used in Combat Mage: TNG; so I felt obligated to give him that) or his heavy weapons. Karl buffs himself up with Imp. Reflexes 4 and Combat Sense 6, which he uses his Foci to sustain. On the rare occasions when stealth is needed (right!), he can do the same with Imp. Invisibilty and Stealth.

I made his enemy corporation Ares, but it can be swapped out to be anyone. He has an addiction and a weakness to two Ares created drugs, to give it that larger than life flare.
pbangarth
He lives! I was beginning to worry about you, Jake.

I've sort of issued a challenge to InfinityzeN... a duel (non-lethal of course) between Oro the Unstoppable and the best InfinityzeN can come up with.

I figure something like MapTool, with the contributors to this thread linked in as spectators; a plain, dusty-earth terrain, maybe some sagebrush, with two icons, Oro and Lightning-Elven-Gunbunny; the whistling theme from The Good, the Bad and the Ugly in the background. (Oowee-oowee-ooooooo...)
pbangarth
QUOTE (Octopiii @ Feb 10 2009, 03:14 PM) *
I think we need some Fictional Shadowrunners to round out the builds.

Presenting: Karl Kombat Mage!
"You stole my soul, my family, and my future. Your life is fair payment!"


Incompetent (Etiquette). I love it!
InfinityzeN
*Final Version 2.2*

English Name: Alan Orodano
Native Amer Adult Name: Hawk-Who-Watches-The-Night
Native Amer Childhood name: Little-Brave-Hawk
Working Name: "Watcher in the Dark", "Watcher" for short
Description: PCC Special Forces Sniper/Weapons Specialist, Medical Separation for "PTSD" (read: He went bat shit crazy!)

History & Background
[ Spoiler ]

Stats
[ Spoiler ]


Dicepools
[ Spoiler ]



Gear
[ Spoiler ]

Lifestyle
[ Spoiler ]


Notes
He normally wears the armored cloths and the FFBA. Switch the armored cloths to the armored vest in dangerous areas.
On mission, he wears the UE Suit over FFBA, with the helmet and PPP vitals protector [B: 13, I: 11]
Walk-around Weapons carried: Auto Knife, Colt Gov 2066, Defiance Taser

Quotes
AR Theme Music "Sound of the drums... Beaten' in my heart... The thunder of guns... Tore me apart... You've been - thunderstruck!" *BOOM!*

"So if I shoot your wife in the head, it actually hurts you? Hummm... interesting. This should be an interesting experiment. Be sure to tell me what you feel" *BLAM!*

"Oh I understand lust. Fucking is a biological drive, not an emotion. I just don't understand all that..."
"For the last time, I'm not letting you watch me fuck my wife!"

Draco18s
QUOTE (Coldhand Jake @ Feb 10 2009, 05:10 PM) *
Well, you guys seem to be really loving this experiment. It's gotten completely out of hand! Good work.


Nono, it's in hand all right.

Just the wrong ones.

Oh, and *snatches BP from the hands*
pbangarth
QUOTE (InfinityzeN @ Feb 10 2009, 06:54 PM) *
Wait a minute, what challenge? I never received a challenge.


Post #234. But it is "sort of", and I am teasing. Sort of.
pbangarth
Reading over Uncle Zola, I found a few errors. I fixed Foci, their costs, and some of the tactical clues text. Post #58.

*sigh* I think he's correct now.
Glyph
It's a good build, InfinityzeN - most of the other combat builds were close combat specialists, so a ranged guy is good. It's still kind of ... jarring... to see a ranged specialist, with all of that senseware, who will still need goggles or contacts to use his smartlink.
InfinityzeN
Ran out of space in the eyes, and Smartlink didn't make sense for the Suite. And he is not that bad at close combat, rolling 20 dice with 7P damage.

*EDIT*
Thought about it. He was in the SF, so he should have a military version. Updated.
pbangarth
Well, Watcher certainly fits this group. Insanely dangerous, and insane to boot! Welcome!

It should be fun to see how the magically active in this group (including all four I created!) respond to astral hazing in their midst. I guess it is good he can be the 'God shot' from afar.

It would be an interesting experiment to see how Bongo Slade's music affects Watcher.
InfinityzeN
Yea, its a good thing most people who work with him don't realize just how nucking futs he is. I gotta get around to putting together the rest of his gear and he'll be done.

I think next I'm going to tackle a plan run'o'd'mill hacker. It seems everyone is building awakened characters so a few mundanes should round out the group nicely.
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