MJBurrage
Feb 11 2009, 07:53 PM
QUOTE (Kanada Ten @ Feb 11 2009, 11:31 AM)

When they call for donations, those donate are moved to the group Dumpshocked, and are then allowed to choose a title.
Is there a list of all the standard titles, and how many posts equals each title?
Kanada Ten
Feb 11 2009, 08:32 PM
QUOTE (MJBurrage @ Feb 11 2009, 01:53 PM)

Is there a list of all the standard titles, and how many posts equals each title?
They
talk about it, but the admins are a bit hush-hush about specifics, since we're supposed to act as if it doesn't matter. Which it doesn't, of course.
pbangarth
Feb 11 2009, 10:50 PM
QUOTE (Kanada Ten @ Feb 11 2009, 01:32 PM)

They
talk about it, but the admins are a bit hush-hush about specifics, since we're supposed to act as if it doesn't matter. Which it doesn't, of course.
So says "Beetle Eater".
Kanada Ten
Feb 11 2009, 10:55 PM
I paid real monies for that title, yo. 'Sides, I think they only started the title system to encourage Clockwork Lime to keep one profile.
Caine Hazen
Feb 12 2009, 12:51 AM
Think my post count is insane, look at Redjack's join date

I still gotta figure that one out.
Draco18s
Feb 12 2009, 01:03 AM
QUOTE (Caine Hazen @ Feb 11 2009, 07:51 PM)

Think my post count is insane, look at Redjack's join date

I still gotta figure that one out.
Joined: 1-July 89
89 years after year 0? Wow.
hyzmarca
Feb 12 2009, 02:29 AM
QUOTE (Kanada Ten @ Feb 11 2009, 11:31 AM)

When they call for donations, those donate are moved to the group Dumpshocked, and are then allowed to choose a title.
Since they changed the board software, you can input a personalized title yourself, just select Edit Profile Information on your Control Pannel.
Jhaiisiin
Feb 12 2009, 04:28 AM
Uhhh, negative on that omae.
toturi
Feb 12 2009, 05:56 AM
Only those who has surpassed a certain number (a really big number, by the way) of posts can change their titles. Given the frequency of (flaming) hot topics here, if you do not get banned/booted off/swear never to come back ever by the time you hit that particularly high number, I suppose you have shown a certain level of maturity and you get that privilege to change your title. But most of us who can don't really care about it and I have only edited my title once just for the novelty value.
martindv
Feb 12 2009, 04:41 PM
QUOTE (AllTheNothing @ Feb 10 2009, 06:45 PM)

And we have heard nothing about it; it gives me hope, that kind of inheritance would have generated alot of shadowbiz, yet nobody says anything about it: maybe Nadja is alive.
I assume there's a reason for this. However, I also assume that the reason has more to do with it not being a priority to cover rather than for any other reason.
That said, by all standards I can consider enough time has passed that there is a total presumption that she is no longer missing, but dead. And in the end the UCAS government has the most to gain by going through this roundabout process of "killing" her and taking her stuff.
AllTheNothing
Feb 12 2009, 04:54 PM
QUOTE (martindv @ Feb 12 2009, 05:41 PM)

I assume there's a reason for this. However, I also assume that the reason has more to do with it not being a priority to cover rather than for any other reason.
That said, by all standards I can consider enough time has passed that there is a total presumption that she is no longer missing, but dead. And in the end the UCAS government has the most to gain by going through this roundabout process of "killing" her and taking her stuff.
Killing her can be done but how would the government take hers stuff? She was the VP but hers stuff was hers own property, killing her would mean just that hers stuff goes to hers heirs, whoever they night be.
InfinityzeN
Feb 12 2009, 08:05 PM
Inheratance tax, even though I can't spell to save my life. Something like 1/3 today, most likely even more harsh in 2070.
Wesley Street
Feb 12 2009, 09:06 PM
Considering how neutered and inept national governments are in 2070, I find the existence of the inheritance tax in the Sixth World to be... unlikely. Corporations call the plays and governments merely take out the garbage. A corporate controlled world doesn't feel like one that permits laws depleting the personal wealth of its upper echelons. And Daviar was definitely "upper echelon".
martindv
Feb 13 2009, 07:14 PM
QUOTE (AllTheNothing @ Feb 12 2009, 11:54 AM)

Killing her can be done but how would the government take hers stuff? She was the VP but hers stuff was hers own property, killing her would mean just that hers stuff goes to hers heirs, whoever they night be.
Estates don't just fall into limbo when there are no heirs and no will. They get taken by the state.
Rotbart van Dainig
Feb 13 2009, 07:31 PM
You honestly think the the chairwoman of the DF didn't have a will?
Hagga
Feb 13 2009, 11:10 PM
Is she even confirmed dead instead of "just gone"?
Rotbart van Dainig
Feb 14 2009, 12:00 AM
Doesn't really matter, legally - in 2072, she's most likely declared dead.
AllTheNothing
Feb 14 2009, 12:11 AM
QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Feb 14 2009, 01:00 AM)

Doesn't really matter, legally - in 2072, she's most likely declared dead.
Not if she managed to survive, again hers death (actual or presumed) would have shaken the world almost as the Big D's one did; yet we know nothing, why?
Stahlseele
Feb 14 2009, 12:17 AM
'cause nobody thought anybody might make such a ruckus about lusty brown elven nipples?
Hagga
Feb 14 2009, 12:17 AM
It's possible that the government knows where she is and just keeps it quiet.
Edit:
Goddamnit, Stahsteele: I had to read that four times to make sure I wasn't hallucinating.
Stahlseele
Feb 14 2009, 12:20 AM
all sneaky like? ^^
InfinityzeN
Feb 14 2009, 12:34 AM
Well she does have really nice gams in addition to those lusty brown elven nipples.
AllTheNothing
Feb 14 2009, 12:41 AM
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 14 2009, 01:17 AM)

'cause nobody thought anybody might make such a ruckus about lusty brown elven nipples?
Weren't you into trolls?
AllTheNothing
Feb 14 2009, 12:44 AM
QUOTE (InfinityzeN @ Feb 14 2009, 01:34 AM)

Well she does have really nice gams in addition to those lusty brown elven nipples.
I realy hope I'm not going to regret asking this but, what gams mean?
Wounded Ronin
Feb 14 2009, 12:59 AM
I thought that gams were thighs.
hyzmarca
Feb 14 2009, 01:13 AM
Gams is a municipality in the Wahlkreis (constituency) of Werdenberg in the canton of St. Gallen in Switzerland and the German name for Kamnica near Maribor (Slovenia).
GAMS is a mathematical optimization computer program and a project of the National Institute of Standards and Technology.
Bad Gams and Gams bei Hieflau are municipalities of Austria
Gam and a slang term for the human female leg; the plural, gams, almost always refers to a pair of legs, and is used exclusively, except in cases of amputation.
Stahlseele
Feb 14 2009, 01:23 AM
QUOTE (AllTheNothing @ Feb 14 2009, 01:41 AM)

Weren't you into trolls?
i like PLAYING the Troll . .
and i frigging hate elves with a passion <.< . .
Rotbart van Dainig
Feb 14 2009, 09:58 AM
QUOTE (AllTheNothing @ Feb 14 2009, 01:11 AM)

Not if she managed to survive, again hers death (actual or presumed) would have shaken the world almost as the Big D's one did; yet we know nothing, why?
Because she disappeared in the second crash and the following coup d'etat gone wrong - and it shook the UCAS pretty bad then when both it's presidents ceased to exist.
What would shake the world would be her reappearance - not her being declared dead.
AllTheNothing
Feb 14 2009, 11:13 PM
QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Feb 14 2009, 10:58 AM)

Because she disappeared in the second crash and the following coup d'etat gone wrong - and it shook the UCAS pretty bad then when both it's presidents ceased to exist.
What would shake the world would be her reappearance - not her being declared dead.
You realize that there is no way to prove that either of us is right, don't you?
Rotbart van Dainig
Feb 14 2009, 11:53 PM
My point is that you are missing the point that the public doesn't care anymore - it was big news back then, now everyone moved on.
AllTheNothing
Feb 15 2009, 12:22 AM
QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Feb 15 2009, 12:53 AM)

My point is that you are missing the point that the public doesn't care anymore - it was big news back then, now everyone moved on.
Yeah, but my point is that she was the most powerfull woman in the world, she had enough wealth to be considered an AA corp in hers own right, was chairwoman of an association which had enough clout to gain extraterritoriality, was a member of the director board of the Ares Macrotech, had been the voice of the Big D (which made her one of the most famous women in the world), was considered one of the most charismatic persons ever existed and she happened to be the UCAS's VP. While she was only the VP she was much more important than the president, because while formaly subordinate to him she was actualy equal in power (they both carried over the dragon's legacy, and she happened to be the one who knew the dragon's score better); it's not a question on why people don't talk about it now (2072) it's a question about why there isn't any note about hers death, when the president was murdered it was stated into the history books, yet it was said nothing of Nadja; also general populance has a memory spam of ten minutes but the shadows can't afford to forget (or overlook) many thing, and Nadja's death would have been a very big rock in the pond, yet runners said nothing of her. Big news stop being news just to become History.
martindv
Feb 18 2009, 12:22 AM
I'm going to have to side with AllTheNothing. People care because a) it's a mystery, b) it involves all sorts of crazy conspiracy nonsense (not even going into conspiracy theories themselves, and c) it is about the most powerful person in the world--second most powerful being behind Lofwyr--falling off the face of the planet. Nadja was Angelina Jolie with power; power to raise or cripple corps and countries being simply the most overt. This was a woman people emulated physically thanks to the miracles of modern science and who they had sex with through proxy in every conceivable form available in the SR universe.
Thinking that people move on is like saying that no one cares and thinks about the JFK assassination, Elvis, Marilyn Monroe or God knows who else. She was all of that combined into one person. Her disappearance after a failed assassination attempt in Seattle (based on the semi-conflicting timelines in System Failure) would bring out all of the crazies to say the least, let alone the tens of millions of starfuckers out there who cried when they learned Princess Di died in a car crash and followed the Anna Nicole Smith death like it was a national tragedy. It makes great media because people get to espouse every crazy idea they have without anyone to contradict them, and I don't think you are really grasping how much of a celebrity-obsessed culture this is now, let alone in the future where a Facebook pastiche rating is more important than your SIN and the media is ubiquitous and hungry to fill their 24/7 schedules with any information no matter how nonsensical because in the end people watch the news for nonsense and live their own pathetic lives by co-opting other peoples' misery, fame and glamour. This case brings it all together into one neat little package that even without consideration of the actual consequences this is something that would be news because the media says it is. I don't give a fuck about Dannilyn Smith but a) I still know her name, her father's name, and have seen photos of her on TV less than 24 hours ago because she's been without her mommy for almost two years now (which is another thing I know without ever wanting to).
To put it another way, how many people argued ad nauseum about the cause of the Crash of '29 for years until it was explained in the novels, and then still argued about it? And that's us, and that's a game plot point.
As for the will, why wouldn't she? Well, because who knows what she did or didn't want to do or think of doing. People are weird, and even this woman who put on a good show up until Dunk died was up to her eyes in shit she couldn't begin to fully comprehend or deal with after he died--something which I doubt passed with any haste. But consider this: If the UCAS government took her estate, then they control a voting block and seat(s) on the board of directors of their biggest (defense) contractor. It's not far to say that there was a lot of strange things that came to pass after she was gone that we know of, let alone the things that she did as part of Dunk's "seven-year plan" (which ended in 2064, coincidentally enough) or on her own. He had an agenda, and so did she. It would be foolish and poor style to let what could be a bagful of potential to sit on the sidelines and be cast off into oblivion.
hyzmarca
Feb 18 2009, 01:24 AM
QUOTE (martindv)
JFK assassination
CIA agent on the Grassy Knoll
QUOTE (martindv)
Elvis
Is still alive
QUOTE (martindv)
Marilyn Monroe
Really did accidentally overdose.
QUOTE (martindv)
Anna Nicole Smith
Communists killed her; it's a long story.
QUOTE (martindv)
Dannilyn Smith
Reptoid-hybrid, probably.
QUOTE (martindv)
God
Created beer first; was incredibly drunk while making the rest of the universe. Is currently incarnated as an Puertro Rican man.
And, yeah, there is going to be a great deal of controversy around Davier's disappearance. My current hyopthesis is that she delivered a coded message from Dunklezhan to Ghostwalker after escaping the White House. Ghostwalker read the message and informed her "It says that I should eat you". Her remains have not yet been found because GW keeps his poop heavily guarded to deter theft by treasure hunters and talismongers.
Nath
Feb 19 2009, 12:45 AM
Ironically, it reminds me of how the whole build-up with Dunkelzahn death and the Scott Commission ended with a one-liner in some sourcebook, VP Nadja Daviar saying something along the lines of "we'll never know and we should let my boss rest in peace." I guess sometimes none of the authors wants to take responsibility for ending another's plot before, too much time has passed.
I'd be really disappointed if the upcoming "Corporate Guide" doesn't address this, considering that Daviar personally owned a good fifth of Ares capital.
Draco18s
Feb 19 2009, 03:09 AM
QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Feb 17 2009, 08:24 PM)

Ghostwalker read the message and informed her "It says that I should eat you". Her remains have not yet been found because GW keeps his poop heavily guarded to deter theft by treasure hunters and talismongers.
Haha! I like.
raggedhalo
Feb 19 2009, 10:11 AM
QUOTE (Nath @ Feb 18 2009, 07:45 PM)

Ironically, it reminds me of how the whole build-up with Dunkelzahn death and the Scott Commission ended with a one-liner in some sourcebook
Although the Dragonheart Trilogy went into quite some detail into the reasons for Dunkie's suicide and the aftermath...
Wesley Street
Feb 19 2009, 02:58 PM
I haven't read the Dragonheart Trilogy so I don't know all the details but from what I understand, Dunkelzahn's death was a set-up. He moved on from the "mortal realm" to engage in spiritual warfare. So was the point of him even running for President simply to get Haeffner and company into the White House?
raggedhalo
Feb 19 2009, 03:06 PM
Yeah, one of the adventures in either Super Tuesday or Shadows of the Underworld is basically rehearsing how to kill Dunkie! Although it's pitched as planting a listening device and nothing to do with the presidency.
The point of the Presidency was probably to give his will extra legitimacy for stuff like the bounties...
ravensmuse
Feb 19 2009, 03:30 PM
I thought what happened was that Dunk wanted the Presidency, but something popped up on his radar and he triggered Project: Assassination in response - P: Assassination being a contingency plan he'd thunk up at some point to put a halter on the coming of Horrors.
Also, maybe this is just me being a Dunkie fanboy, but I thought he genuinely wanted the Presidency. It would have advanced a lot of his plans and also lended some credence towards his project of social and racial equality in the Sixth World.
Nath
Feb 19 2009, 05:23 PM
QUOTE (raggedhalo @ Feb 19 2009, 11:11 AM)

Although the Dragonheart Trilogy went into quite some detail into the reasons for Dunkie's suicide and the aftermath...
We, players, know that (well... most of us). But SR book never adressed the fact that 99.99% of the Sixth World people were just told : move on. Just try to imagine Cheney or Biden saying "We'll never know who was behind the 9/11 attack. The Iraqi, maybe the Colombian cartels, who knows ? Let's let the dead rest in peace." That's basically what Daviar did (and she won the following election !).
I admit there is one difference : Dunkelzahn wasn't really the "UCAS beloved dragon". He won only by a narrow margin, with Kenneth Brackhaven right behind. On the other hand Haeffner got easily reelected two times.
AllTheNothing
Feb 19 2009, 11:26 PM
QUOTE (ravensmuse @ Feb 19 2009, 04:30 PM)

Also, maybe this is just me being a Dunkie fanboy, but I thought he genuinely wanted the Presidency. It would have advanced a lot of his plans and also lended some credence towards his project of social and racial equality in the Sixth World.
Canon seems to agreed with you, weren't for the Azzies activating that fragging locus, whatever might it be (hey, it was said that it's a device that generates mana/powers spells .... I don't remember, but did they tell anywere what the frag it is or how does it work?), and attempting to create another spike the Big D would have made ALOT of good things for alot of people (mainly the ones that usualy get the short end of most of deals).
Said that, I must admit that I too had liked the dragon (and I've found deliscously taunting that wyvern in Chicago).
Stahlseele
Feb 19 2009, 11:29 PM
it's a frigging big huge chunk of obsidian through which several veins of orichalcum seem to be woven that lies on a converging point of 2 or more ley-lines . .
basically, it acts like a rechargeable battery would act if you could the years power output of a nuclear powerplant in one . . only it does that with Mana . .
it is a leftover from the previous age of magic(Earthdawn) . . and no, it's not the only one of it's kind . . i think there's at least one dozend of those around the
world . .
AllTheNothing
Feb 19 2009, 11:59 PM
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 20 2009, 12:29 AM)

it's a frigging big huge chunk of obsidian through which several veins of orichalcum seem to be woven that lies on a converging point of 2 or more ley-lines . .
basically, it acts like a rechargeable battery would act if you could the years power output of a nuclear powerplant in one . . only it does that with Mana . .
it is a leftover from the previous age of magic(Earthdawn) . . and no, it's not the only one of it's kind . . i think there's at least one dozend of those around the
world . .
A capacitor? You know I had thought about capacitors and wondered what would happen if the conductors were made of orichalcum and elettrical energy was fed to it, normal capacitors would store the energy into an elettromagnetic field within the dielettric layer until the capacitor is filled, would coductors made of orichalcum also store the energy into a mana field? If so could the process reversed and lead to use some orichalcum device to produce electricity from mana (think about the power output that one of this things placed into a manawarp could have).
Stahlseele
Feb 20 2009, 12:16 AM
there's mana-storms, just construct good enough lightning rods and hold them in there? O.o
i . . don't think mana/tech works the way you think it does in shadowrun . . but i like your way of thinking *g*
pbangarth
Feb 20 2009, 07:18 AM
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Feb 19 2009, 04:29 PM)

it is a leftover from the previous age of magic(Earthdawn) . . and no, it's not the only one of it's kind . . i think there's at least one dozend of those around the
world . .
Does any reference exist, telling us where those are?
Grinder
Feb 20 2009, 09:14 AM
No. Vivane had one, as stated in Prelude to War or Barsaive at War, but other then that no hard facts had been given.
Stahlseele
Feb 20 2009, 09:17 AM
i'll guess more or less scattered around the world . .
one or two of the bigger dragons probably have one or at least have a good guess about their whereabouts . .
maybe the floating island held one or two to keep afloat?
Grinder
Feb 20 2009, 09:20 AM
It's assumed that any major theran city has at least one and maybe the behemoths one onboard. But as typical for FASA-ED, it has never been stated exactly. And I doubt that the dragons use the loci at all.
Ryu
Feb 20 2009, 09:33 AM
I would conclude from the Aztlan SB that the loci managed to destroy Thera by storing too much of what was left of the ambient mana.
AllTheNothing
Feb 20 2009, 10:34 AM
QUOTE (Grinder @ Feb 20 2009, 10:20 AM)

And I doubt that the dragons use the loci at all.
Realy? If so than how it's explained the whole "Never Trust an Elf" fiasco?
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