I think it was a Shadowrun reference.

Why would anyone expect people to pick up on those here?

ah that.
sorry, i am really bad with remembering dates and numbers in general <.<

Given that he brought us the Nadia, apparently ... well, the word we're looking for is "idiot".


Not to disrespect wny of what you say, Bull, but that sentence makes my eyes bleed. But yes, it sums up perfectly what a Line Developer should do, if not what Jason does.

Suffice to say, the Line Dev's job should begin with choosing freelancers to contribute.


Read the dog totem's descriptions, think of the number of mwomen Twist ditches. Consider the number of pacifists who embed themselves with the US special forces. And that's not even beginning with the absolutly bizarre excuse for dumping Tsung for Hart (who, by the way, isn't quite a pacifist), or his willingness to sacrifice dozens of people to maybe cure his sister. Very pacifist thing, those human sacrifices.


Did Meiers have any part in writing Artifacts Unbound?


Of coruse, killing off major characters too frequently, or illing the wrong major characters, isn't quite a good idea either. Take George R.R. Martin's Song of Ice and Fire as an example. This series is liek the most lethal fantasy novel, ever. There are more survivors in the 40K heresy novels than there. To the point where there just isn't any character left I care for. They're all either dead or so fucked up by the horrors they were put through I just shrug about them.

Shadowrun is going the same direction, only a lot less elaboratly planned (though admittedly at a faster pace than one book every seven years).

And seriously, Aina Dupree is more annoying than Nadia "luscious brown nipples" Daviar? Is there some reason behind that, or is this just a dismissive comment because you felt entitled to them?


And that's really not what I see happening at CGL.


And then came Attitude and not la terre Lakota de France is international canon, too (see Cree&Dido for details).

A German, bad at math? Who'd have thunk it? Next you'll be telling me you don't overengineer everything, Stahl.

*looks around*
dude, i am sitting here, with 6 computers in arms reach ^^
math just is an asshole <.<
never been good with numbers of any kind ._.
if i weren't lazy as fuck, i'd be speaking 5 languages fluent by now instead i guess . .
i am more of a DO kind of guy than a THINK kind of guy i'm afraid x.x
and i have the sense of direction edge. if i listen to my feet, they tell me where i am and where to go.
i have only got lost ONCE in my life. and that was because they tore down buildings that i expected to still be there ;_;
my brain is just wired a bit different, i guess O.o

This is Dumpshock, the Internet, and People Like Us, Stahl.

We're all wired differently. It's what makes us such good company here.

i'd drink to that!

We keep talking abut Dupré and Daviar, and it's like everybody carefully avoid to talk about Ryan Mercury
There really is in southern France a track of land the owner donated to the Lakota Nation in 1991. France Sourcebook only make it much larger. I don't know if the Lakota Republic care for it though. And considering US bashing have been even more popular in France these days than French bashing can be in the US, it wouldn't be surprising to have French NGO welcoming tribal people fleeing the Reeducation and Relocation Act between 2009 and 2017.

The way Attitude mentions the Lakota-French fictional character doesn't say anything about a Lakota Land in France. People who know about it may link the two. But those who don't will just think he has one Lakota and one French parent. Those who don't want the Lakota Land to exist in their game should simply do the same. Maybe the author never reads France and simply is a fan of actress Karina Lombard.

Dog does not leave people behind, that's different from ending a non-platonic relationship. Also, dogs are not exactly known for being monogamous...


Already addressed this:

Imagine how bad it would be if he had been an (Alley) Cat Shaman?

Like sleeves of wizard cat shaman

As a writer, I stayed away from plenty of characters and plots I disliked, so I agree with Nath on this. And the Line Developer should always be there to steer the writing towards a good story instead of any writer's personal feelings on a character or idea. I know I wanted to kill many an immortal elf, but unless I had a damn good story reason for it, I never even brought it up, because it'd be silly.

Though I also think Shadowrun's metaplot has gotten so tangled and massive that it's getting very hard for the writers to avoid characters and plots they don't like. I know I had trouble with it towards the end and found myself avoiding more writing opportunities than I'd take because I didn't want to touch this idea or the other.



Otaku do lie about their looks a little, but it's a self-idealization still firmly rooted in their physical appearance. I know Puck's picture in Street Legends is actually very close to how I always imagined him and I think Renraku Arcology: Shutdown's authors probably imagined him similarly. I know it matches up pretty closely to descriptions Dave Hyatt gave me way back when we were working on Brainscan. I always imagined real-life Puck as being paler, skinnier, and having a constant nervous edge that came from growing up in the Squeeze in London, but otherwise looking similar to his icon. And though it's not mentioned in Street Legends, it was Dave that originally came up with Puck's attraction to the ocean in a piece of fiction that got cut from Brainscan, though I resurrected the idea of it in the fiction for System Failure.

Amen, Brother!

Grandpa, is that you?

What does SOTA mean?

State of the Art
These are (useless, funkilling ) Rules for degradation of Programs and Equipment
Something we call Hartwurst in Germany if used excessively



He who won't dance with Hartwurst
Medicineman

It's not like he remained friends with Tsung. But I suppose you can rationalise that, too.


And it's as wrong as when you first wrote it. If you are a pacifist, you will not work in an environment where shooting people to cover up your crimes is an accepted and occasionally necessary strategy to solve problems on the job. Or, at the very least, you will try to prevent it. And you certainly will not engage in large-scale sacrificial magic to maybe cure your sister.

But yeah, you go on rationalising. I think I'm done here.

Repeat after me: He. Is. No. Pacifist.

Is it so hard to get that someone who refuses to kill someone for pleasure, for sexual gratification, out of greed or otherwise base motives, by stealth or cruelly or by means that pose a danger to the public or in order to facilitate or to cover up another offence (German penal code for murder) does not automatically have to subscribe to the belief that war and violence are unjustifiable and that all disputes should be settled by peaceful means (Oxford)?


@Demonseed: Looks like I also read too much into things, I always considered the story about Puck's beach retreat a nod to Neuromancer...

Hermit, Sengir: play nice.

So, in Germany, killing someone defending yourself is not murder?

Well, isn't it true that in (some places in) the US, there is an allowance for lethal violence, if you are in the defence of a third party?
So, is it so hard to believe other places might have reasonable allowances?

by law, technically, no, it's not. that's legalese for you . .

Did the Moonlight Thorns serve Lugh Surehand? I "remember" seeing that revealed somewhere but now I can't find it.

Yep...always priceless to see the look on peoples' faces when they learn that in the land of the trigger-happy cowboys*, self-defence can get you on death row.

As per Section 32 of the StGB, any action which is necessary to end an imminent and unlawful attack on oneself or others is legal. Note that this attack does not even have to be against the person, "defensible legal goods" also include stuff like your property and freedom of person.
And even if you used more force than necessary, the attack was not imminent, or it was not illegal, you might get of the hook: Section 33 states that someone acting out of fear or confusion will not be punished (though it technically remains illegal).

PS: What's also often confusing (and leading to crappy comparisons between muder rates) is that the German definition of "murder" is far narrower than elsewhere. The "default offence" for intentional homicide is manslaughter (>5 years, life in severe cases), only if one of the "murder motives" I quoted in response to hermit is met does the defendant get a free upgrade to murder (and life).

*: For those who don't get it

Yes, be good little victims and let the nice criminals break into your home, steal your stuff, rape your family, and then kill you themselves. Because the Police are there to protect you, so you don't have any reason, or right, to protect you and yours.

*Sighs* Same in Canada.

OK, edging on politics, I know, but I really, really, REALLY couldn't keep quiet.

Oh no, we are SO allowed to hurt anybody coming into our home whom we did not invite . .
We just have to prove it. Technically, even cops are not allowed in without a search varrant (safe for the damn stupid imminent danger clause).
Yes, we can hurt even cops who try to come in, if we do not want them in there.
If i tell a copper without any search warrant no, and he puts his foot into my door, i can crush that foot with my door to get him out and technically it'S completely okay by law . .

Back to topic, please.

OK, my bad, I'll shut up. Still had to say it.

Anyhow, we got some of the JackPointers in the PDF 10 JackPointers, and we got some here. Think we'll see the rest?

It's a possibility.

Hartwurst?

Funny how it is always the sociopathic monster that get paraded, when most crimes are crimes of desperation.

It's complicated:
http://www.wiki-aventurica.de/wiki/Hartwur...enspieltheorie)
basically, germany only role playing slang . .

Which of the 10 jackpointers is in the book?

Baka Dabura, Ecotope, Fianchetto, Kay St. Irregular, Lei Kung, Lyran, Man-of-Many-Names, Orbital DK, Riser, and Turbo Bunny are in 10 Jackpointers, and Haze, Ma'Fan, Puck, Rigger X, Mika, Sticks, Thorn, Hannibelle and Winterhawk are in Street Legends (I may have missed one or two that I'm not 100% sure are Jackpointers), and to include another, we had Kane in Vice.

Just as the last tidbit on this matter: In dubio pro reo...

@TJ: "Hartwurst" means extremely detailed descriptions by the GM which unfortunately leave little or no room for the players to actually imagine or do something. For example, the players can't act out what they do when setting up a camp for the night, the GM tells them they are eating cured sausage (the eponymous Hartwurst)

Ahhh... Thanks...

So you're saying he just thinks he is? Because he refers to himself as such repeatedly. But then we can probably agree, though we won't on author's intent.


Between 10 Jackpointers and Street Legends, apart from Kane and Jack (who really, really should have been in the Legends), who is missing? Netcat? Hackbaby?


Not with stats, IIRC?

No stats, and the info wasn't what you'd call concise. Even Kane thought they were rather lacking.

Of course, they could publish all that he did (A whole trilogy of books in and of itself, likely), and he'd still go, "But they missed..."

Well, as far as game stats, there aren't any in 10 Jackpointers, either. But they do have some relevant file stats. You are right about it being kind of lacking on Kane, though.

Nobody has a file on Jack cause he's Jack.

Samantha Villiers used to have a short file on Fastjack, which featured in Target: Matrix. He didn't even seem to take offense

Because if that's all somebody with the name VILLIERS can find out, then that's the MAXIMUM ANYBODY can find out . .

That's because that file was pointed out, became a target, then became a memory.

That Wiki is so lame and soooo wrong
Hartwurst means that you have to write down every single peace of equipment,(down to the last Bullet, how many Cigarettes you have in your pack ,how much water is left in what kind of Bottle etc) that you also have to be exact in writing off your meals, Ammo, how much water you drank,etc.
Its called Hartwurst because you had to write down how many slices of Your Sausage(Hartwurst or normal Wurst) or Bread were used that evening , (hope You get the Meaning )
Its a waste of Time (ImO) if you spent too much time with logistics instead of Roleplaying.

HokaHey
Medicineman

Why not use this definition:



Otherwise

Logistics have a place in RPGs (I was the "accountant" for my Star Wars Privateer campaign), but even that is anal, man.

Hartwurst is not the
@TJ: "Hartwurst" means extremely detailed descriptions by the GM which unfortunately leave little or no room for the players to actually imagine or do something. For example, the players can't act out what they do when setting up a camp for the night, the GM tells them they are eating cured sausage (the eponymous Hartwurst)
Hartwurst is the extensive Logistic that is used and when it takes more time to write down or off every little peace of equipment instead of using this time to Roleplay and have Fun(maybe its a "German Problem" ? I don't know)

Logistics are important and I don't mind using it at all, but when its overapplied(is that the right Word ?) then it turns into Hartwurst(at least that is the Hartwurst I know of and the expression that I use)
....aren't we a little Offtopic ?


with a slightly Offtopic Dance
Medicineman

Unless you are playing a mad max-like campaign where every piece of gear counts.

If you say so.

Case closed, back to topic please.