hrm, what the fuck . . you are right . . damn it . .

Oh, nothing to worry about, I'm sure you will include the corrections into the next official errata Jason puts up, and the confusion will be cleared shortly.

Well, Big D was called out when he posted on Shadowland, remember? Someone WTFed full-on.
Then again, Orange Queen was called out by her shaman ex-follower, etc.

Things are at the point where authors (apparently, Neurosis included) just post errata on the official boards ... also, the product seems to have been very rushed. Not the authors to blame this time, I'm afraid, but the usual suspects.


Yeah, but later, discussions like:

>[spooky metaplot relevant story]
>1timep0st3r
>You know, this remembers me when you way back did that thing with the thing, you know? The black one.
>The Laughing Man
>It's not nearly the same, this thing is far less dangerous than the black thing back then at the place.
>Lady of the Court
>And you would know everything about the thinga nd the place. Have a bottle of milk on me, baby. Of course it's such a thing, it's the same thing in fact.
>Hecate
>How do you know that?
>Miss Tick
>Because I'm awesome.
>Hecate
>LOL *rolleyes*
>Orange Queen
> Hands up who thinks Blue Bacosoy is the shit!
>Bung

Became awfully common in the end.

Why do you think they went with the JackPoint system and controlled posters?

Yeah, I know, though then they added Plan 9 and /dev/, resident experts on spy technology. Because Gadgeteers like Mika and Hard Exit just don't cut it. Shadowland, in TT, made an appropriatly big deal out of the Big D, too.

Plan 9, for all his far out ideas, does occasionally hit the point on some things. He's also an "Out Of The Box" thinker. Of course, he's also an "Out Of Sanity" thinker...

/dev/grrl yeah, I'm with most folks about her. But, well, I get the feeling that FastJack is looking at his age and is hunting a proper protege. /dev/grrl might just be that person.

Yeah, and he is so out of the box he puts conspiracy theories in the gear section. Because that's how we want our gear sections: needlessly cluttered. And it makes perfect sense to hand descriptions of the equipment many runners put their life on to the loon with the tinfoil hat and the hello kitty fangirl (whose stressing that runners generally can't do fashion is an annoyance in itself, as is 'nanopase sucks because it makes me look fat').

To be fair, most of the people on the JackPoint consider T-Shirt and Synthdenim jeans, or combat fatigues to be the height of fashion.

Kat O'Nine Tales, however, could have done a much better job, yes.

I actually really enjoyed those kinds of conversations. Especially the one where Hestaby ACTUALLY said 'LOL', which I assume you're referencing there.

My favorite Hestaby quote of all time: "You were expecting Anita Bryant?"

Add Hard Exit and you're done. Plna9 and /dumb/grrrllll are the orst possible choices for the gear/ equipment section.

Grumbling turned on to eleven again, I see.
Really, when the stats are detached from the descriptions given IC, and even some item names don't match between the stat blocks and the IC text, do you really have to complain about the presentation once more?

I think she is in there to remind us all how long the storyline have been going. Hell, Slamm-o started out as a kid with a talent back in SR2-3.

Oh and i love her line on page 120: "SmartFrames? SKs? Never mind. I don’t want to know." I can see this confused kid sitting next to a table, quickly glancing from one person to the next, and being utterly confused about the topic. Hell, i have real life experience of something similar when listening to my grandfathers generation talking about their daily life. It is a very good reminder of the generation gap that comes with rampant technological change.

Actually, on the other forum, we're having a discussion on pre-teens gaming, and it's degenerated into a "Back in my day" at times.

EDIT: I'm glad I don't have to deal with this personally, but there are times I wish I did as well.

New question; Tommy Talon has a spirit that has a bike as a form? Did I miss something? I would have sworn they could not do this but can't find any rules against it. Gives me some really neat ideas though. Never have to worry about not having a ride. Would you still need the pilot ground vehicle skill as the spirit would be the one in control?

It was in one of the novels.

And he has to "Fuel" it with Long Island Ice Teas.

It is an ALLY Spirit, is it not? They can have alternate forms.

And do you want to basically have KITT(mainly the nagging) as your vehicle? O.o

I know Ally spirits can have alternate forms I just "thought" they could not take the form of a bike or car. Guess I was wrong. I am not against it I was just curious. Like I said I like the idea of a mage always having a car no matter where he is. Even better if the spirit has a Rolls Royce form for high society functions and a muscle car for every day work.

i think there was something about a mage having one of those rail cabs as the alternate form of his ally spirit . .

I remember reading something (can't rmember if it was a Novel, a piece of Fluff or what) about a very important personage with a High Force Ally Spirit that had "Yacht" as one of its forms. It was entertaining.

A really evil mage could leave his ally on the street in car form in the barrens and watch the fun when the car jackers try and steal it. Even better the spirit could let them get in then jack them.

I always personally read this as flavor text for the Movement power.

Makes sense, right?

Lots of folks reacted like that when Tommy when wizzing around on his spirit in the novels (over ten years ago), too. Tommy's unique relationship with his ally spirit had always been kind of a big part of what fans knew about him, so really Street Legends had no choice but to at least comment on it (and I especially liked Snopes' initial response, myself, as it mimics so many actual forum posts that the idea had garnered).

Personally? I've thought of it as a modification of the Movement power with a colorful description, and didn't mind it too much as a bike, or a horse, or a skateboard, or even a convertible what-have-you. Once someone tries to make a fully enclosed vehicle, though? Turning their ally into a stretch limo or a sporty coupe? Then you run into stickiness about Immunity, armor, etc.

Keep it open faced so folks can still take shots against the mage, and I think it can just be a cool way to describe the spirit and save some nuyen on a vehicle.

It's going to be nagging you anyhow. Might as well look cool while doing it.

EDIT: Also...It was in "Wolf and Raven". Kid Stealth handled the issue in the way he traditionally handled everything major: High Explosives.Works for me. The spirit has to move you in one way or another. In "Ye Olde Dayes" there were many tales of spirit horses and such, so why not an "Iron Horse"?

Or Kay St. Irregular. Or Fianchhetto. Or Minoshi Oni (whose short story in Street Legends describes her as a fashion addict!). And if it's about dressing the part on the job no matter what, Thorne (it's what spies do), Hard Exit (the chameleon), Ma'Fan (another fashion victim), and Mika (wiz new stuff!).


Oh, they're fun enough, I liked them too, but there should have been a more WTF reaction from other posters. I mean, what would we do if a group of people (who really are Hillary Clinton, George W. Bush, Nicholas Sarcozy, Pope Benedict, Kim Jong Il, and Hu Jintao) would enjoy their in-jokes all over Dumpshock? Would maybe someone ask them to stop cluttering, lose their nerve, or just post "Oh, they're at it again"? I bet so.m Especially since we would not know who those posters are.

I understand writing them is fun, I like reading this occasionally, but it got a bit out of hand at the end of SR3. All I'm saying.


Sure. Because format is more easily corrected than rewriting an entire section (copypaste the conspiracies into an X-Files chapter made up of conspiracy thjeories and extraplanar intelligence, for instance, takes mere seconds).


Yeah sure, but how exactly does that make her an expert on shadowrunner related technology?


Ah, Stackpole's stories. So full of crazy.

That is the one... Thanks. Now I am going to have to read that one again.

Don't forget that by '73 SKs are just so much irrelevant obsolescent drek, just like cyberdecks.

(Somewhere in the night Bull is crying.)

I was referring to her being the voice to narrate the last two gear sections, not a comment on SKs (which, while a bit presumptive, wouldn't be that bad).

Dunno. How many kids today don't know much about microcomputers of old, let alone mainframes and related specialist software, but can talk at length about the latest smartphones?

Pretty much all of them.
Now, of the kids let into closed top-tier professional discussion groups, the percentage of noting "I don't want to know" about anything in the profession must be quite low...

But still possible... if only minimally.

Sure enough, I just wonder if they stay a part of the community after that...

Depends upon how "Up" they are on Fashion, I guess...

Likely she said it partially to avoid being made fun off by Bull and Slamm-o, as well as not wanting to get a long history lecture.

Of course it's completely impossible that she may have been being at all facetious. : )

Hell, how many kids won't believe you when you tell them remote controls didn't always come with TVs. And you used to have to manually change the channel every time.

Often with a pair of vice grips when the knob broke off.

*Sighs* Then they'll ask what a knob is.

Show up with a camera and kids will think they can see the image right after it was taken. Photographic film is foreign to them.

Oh man, tell me about it. I went back to my High School before I left home, and all the old film was gone and digital cameras abounded.

No damned skill at all needed, just snap pics until you get a good one, none of this, "Got to save my shots for a good one!", and "F***! Lens cap.", or "Alright, who's the b**** that's getting curb stomped for turning the light on in the dark room?"

...

I think I spent more time in the Vice Principal's Office than I did in class, come to think of it. If you remove development time.

I think we broke Grinder.

No, I just fell asleep.

I had my nap earlier in the day.

You didn't have to do it manually. The youngest person present acted as the remote.

I am an only child.

And that's why YOU had to do it manually
Me? Only Child too, but also lazy as a cat.
I just usually laid down in front of the TV and used my toes to work the knobs . .

Sitting that close to TV harms your eyes! Don't you know that yourself, young man!

i guess it DID harm my eyes somehow . .
i am actually the only one in my entire family who does not need glasses.

To try to get this back on track, I'm a little disappointed more of them didn't have martial arts, and none of them used it effectively. Serrin Shamandar has a couple of levels in Carromoleg (with the benefits improperly called maneuvers), Thorn has three random advantages with no source listed (and no maneuvers), and Miles Lanier has a nice bit of power gaming through some boxing advantages.

But that's it. No one uses maneuvers, the best of which are a hell of a lot better than the advantages, and some of the samurai types are missing some good character opportunities, like Sticks with Arnis de Mano and some weapon/disarm maneuvers that would fit the character's combat concept nicely.