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DireRadiant
It's always good to be making initiative rolls prior to the meet setting up the actual run. smile.gif
BlackHat
Ah, thanks. So, since my responce+intuition+1 = 10 dice I add the 3 hits to the 10 for 13 initiative.
Suck on that, server!
BlackHat
QUOTE (DireRadiant)
It's always good to be making initiative rolls prior to the meet setting up the actual run. smile.gif

Yeah, nothing beats showing up to the meet suffering from mild brain damage from being dumped the night before. wink.gif

Also, Feshy, does having administrator rights do anything for me? biggrin.gif I would hope it was well within the powers of the administrator to open up employee records, or access sercurity cameras and suff (admin > security rights) - so I'm not even sure if those last search rolls were needed, and I'm not sure the book has any word on if an adminstrator can cancel/close/disconnect/ban dwarven bouncer icons or not. biggrin.gif
Feshy
QUOTE (BlackHat)
QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Jan 4 2006, 11:01 AM)
It's always good to be making initiative rolls prior to the meet setting up the actual run. smile.gif

Yeah, nothing beats showing up to the meet suffering from mild brain damage from being dumped the night before. wink.gif

Also, Feshy, does having administrator rights do anything for me? biggrin.gif I would hope it was well within the powers of the administrator to open up employee records, or access sercurity cameras and suff (admin > security rights) - so I'm not even sure if those last search rolls were needed, and I'm not sure the book has any word on if an adminstrator can cancel/close/disconnect/ban dwarven bouncer icons or not. biggrin.gif

A little brain damage never hurt anyone. Oh.. wait...

Yes, as administrator, you can access any of the security measures you've found (cameras, MAD, etc.) which will probably also let you pinpoint their location. You could also most likely disable the "dwarf" -- though the system will probably bring him back up on it's next action, or bring out the next stage of it's security (as it still believes it is under attack.) You could also spend an action canceling the active alert, though again the firewall may still re-activate it. I think even an administrator must spend a good deal of time convincing the system that it is no longer under attack if it doesn't detect the intruder leaving or being crashed -- call it a test identical to "Crash OS."

Search rolls are pretty much always needed. It's not so much to access the data (that would require other rolls, like decrypt and defuse) but to find the important stuff out of all the data you can access.

You definitely get the higher initiative (after the "Dwarf"s initial attack) so you're up.

Sorry about the delay, I was picking up one of my lizards from the Vet. I'll probably be falling asleep soon too; it's a good 4 hours past my bed time as is.
Jaid
QUOTE (Feshy)
Sorry about the delay, I was picking up one of my lizards from the Vet.
wow... he really *is* on the metaplane with lizards. and here i thought he was just being silly nyahnyah.gif

anyways, since you asked (i was gonna mention it in the IC thread once it got around to being time to leave for the place) i plan on leaving a good half-hour leeway on how long i think it'll take.

i presume with low lifestyle i am taking the bus (ie, taxi is probably more expensive than the lifestyle can handle on a regular basis, although if necessary i can probably do it every now and then).

so, i figure i should probably leave at around 1:30 or so (although i'll have Robby check up on the bus routes just to be sure).
BlackHat
QUOTE (Feshy @ Jan 4 2006, 01:01 PM)
You could also most likely disable the "dwarf" -- though the system will probably bring him back up on it's next action, or bring out the next stage of it's security (as it still believes it is under attack.) 

You could also spend an action canceling the active alert, though again the firewall may still re-activate it.  I think even an administrator must spend a good deal of time convincing the system that it is no longer under attack if it doesn't detect the intruder leaving or being crashed -- call it a test identical to "Crash OS."

Okay, I cant' really perform a crash OS/Program/Myself action since I have neither an attack program running nor 3 combat turns to devote to the task. But I think I have another plan.

One thing I want to try is (as a free action if possible) to get a list of all the activly runnig programs on the node. I assume this is like the free action to detect active wireless nodes, or something. I want to do this to check to see if other IC has already been activated that I maybe didn't notice (Trace IC?)

As I understand it, "Crash OS/Program" is used when you've broken in, and want to turn off a remote (non-IC) program that you don't have legitimate access to. With my admin access, I should be able to access and run/deactivate/whatever any program on that node as if it were on my own commlink, right?

At least, the book makes it sound that way, saying admins can take "actions that damage the system or render it inactive".

If this is the case, Dual will use his two simple actions to perform two "Deactivate Program" actions. The first will shut down the firewall program (which should deactivate the active-alert - but even if it doesn't, it will render the +4 bonus worthless). The second with deactivate the dwarven bouncer (attack IC?).

Let me know if I know this to be impossible, and I'll pick new actions - but I'm hoping to just take the whole security system (firewall and active defenses) offline for a second (literally, since I act 3 times in 3 seconds) to sort of "purge" the system.

Edit: Posting somethign to this effect to the IC boards. Let me know if I'm overstepping my admin privilages and I will edit that post as well.
Feshy
You don't see any additional IC running besides the dwarf, which you just crashed. But the system hasn't had time to load new IC yet.

Hmm. Well, I like the metaphor, so I'll allow it this time smile.gif I wouldn't count on it always working in the future, though ("it" in this case being crashing the firewall... in some systems the firewall will be too closely coupled with the OS to be rebootable on its own.) When the firewall reboots, it will still find all the logs, and realize that it probably *should* be on active alert. But since it got interrupted, it won't be sure. We'll reduce the active alert modifiers by 1. To fully disable the active alert you'll either have to keep rebooting the firewall (-1 each time, and the constant firewall reboots may trigger the system to reset) or edit the logs (and then reboot it again.)

Sound good?


QUOTE
wow... he really *is* on the metaplane with lizards. and here i thought he was just being silly nyahnyah.gif

anyways, since you asked (i was gonna mention it in the IC thread once it got around to being time to leave for the place) i plan on leaving a good half-hour leeway on how long i think it'll take.

i presume with low lifestyle i am taking the bus (ie, taxi is probably more expensive than the lifestyle can handle on a regular basis, although if necessary i can probably do it every now and then).

so, i figure i should probably leave at around 1:30 or so (although i'll have Robby check up on the bus routes just to be sure).


Hehe. I essentially am on some sort of lizard metaplane. There's a good two dozen reptiles in my apartment. They have their own room. We get regular shipments of thousands of crickets. Unlike some of our past mail carriers, the one stuck delivering the crickets this time has a real good attitude about it -- "At least it's not bees" he says...

Yes, low lifestyle will most likely be bus. You have no trouble finding a bus that will get you there about half an hour early from your apartment.
BlackHat
Heh, yeah, I liked the idea of going for the gun that every bartender keeps right next to him, in order to "kill" unruley programs. wink.gif

Sounds good. So, it comes down, and then back up immediatly? or does it need an action for hte commlink system to use a complex action to load a new firewall (probably nto a bad idea to have the server automatically reload the firewall if it ever comes down. I sort of wish I had a rating 1 firewall I could load in its place. oh well.) Can I also tell (as admin) what OS/System/Firewall rating this thing is using?

Since it came down - even if it came right back up, it'll take a pass, at least to send out more IC, and they would need to spot me right? (Since I have stealth running) So I am going to hope that buys me some time, and am going to use my next passes complex action to switch out Exploit for Edit, and the final complex action (on my 3rd pass) to edit the logs.

Computer + Edit + 2 = 11 dice = 2,1,6,6,4,1,1,5,6,4,4 = 4 hits, 3 ones

Also, I have to say, I'm not really certain how security tally works in SR4. Is it a safe generaization to say that every pass that goes by, the system gets a free action to try to "analyze" me? or does it need security hackers or patrolling IC to identify that an account isn't legit?

After taking care of the logs, if the system hasn't started shooting at me again, I want to use admin-rights to "calm it down" so to speak (take it off of active alert, unload any IC, etc)... since with the logs gone, I am hoping it will treat me like a legitimate account after that.. .buying me enough time to finish up.
BlackHat
QUOTE (Feshy)
Yes, low lifestyle will most likely be bus. You have no trouble finding a bus that will get you there about half an hour early from your apartment.

As I have low lifestyle too, I suppose I'll be bussing it as well - taxies are for after we get paid!
Feshy
QUOTE (BlackHat)
Heh, yeah, I liked the idea of going for the gun that every bartender keeps right next to him, in order to "kill" unruley programs. wink.gif

Sounds good. So, it comes down, and then back up immediatly? or does it need an action for hte commlink system to use a complex action to load a new firewall (probably nto a bad idea to have the server automatically reload the firewall if it ever comes down. I sort of wish I had a rating 1 firewall I could load in its place. oh well.) Can I also tell (as admin) what OS/System/Firewall rating this thing is using?

Since it came down - even if it came right back up, it'll take a pass, at least to send out more IC, and they would need to spot me right? (Since I have stealth running) So I am going to hope that buys me some time, and am going to use my next passes complex action to switch out Exploit for Edit, and the final complex action (on my 3rd pass) to edit the logs.

Computer + Edit + 2 = 11 dice = 2,1,6,6,4,1,1,5,6,4,4 = 4 hits, 3 ones

Also, I have to say, I'm not really certain how security tally works in SR4. Is it a safe generaization to say that every pass that goes by, the system gets a free action to try to "analyze" me? or does it need security hackers or patrolling IC to identify that an account isn't legit?

After taking care of the logs, if the system hasn't started shooting at me again, I want to use admin-rights to "calm it down" so to speak (take it off of active alert, unload any IC, etc)... since with the logs gone, I am hoping it will treat me like a legitimate account after that.. .buying me enough time to finish up.

Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a single complex action for "swap program" -- so far as I can tell, you have to unload a program (simple action) and then load a new one (complex action.) So it won't be until the third action that you can edit the logs, though you will get an extra simple action to take. If you still use this plan, let me know in what order you unload and re-load the programs.

If you want to determine the firewall's rating, you'll have to observe it in detail (simple action) when it comes back up (which it will do before your next action.) Because you're administrator, you will automatically get the rating as long as you roll at least one success.

I don't think there are any security tallies in SR4 (I kind of miss that concept) so it's pretty much up to patrolling IC. Which leads me to believe that just about EVERY system would have an agent looking for potential intruders, as this one did (IC can run stealth too wink.gif )
BlackHat
Current Programs: Stealth, Browse, Exploit, Redirect and Analyze. (5s across the board)

Okay, so, Next pass, unload exploit (not gonna help me anymore) and can I use that other simple action to analyze the system program (the OS itself)?

If so: 11 dice = [4] [4] [3] [4] [5] [4] [6] [4] [6] [2] [6] = 4 hits, no ones.

Third pass will be used to load edit back into memory. I will also be using a free action on each of those passes to watch for the firewall's return, and the launching of any new IC.

Next turn I'll work on frying the logs and dealing with whatever returned this round.
Feshy
Okay, do you still want to load edit with your action?

And I need two hacking + stealth rolls to evade the IC's detection.

Sorry about the two IC. I figure that a full node can load a "security sheaf" object consisting of IC in an action the same way a normal commlink can load a pre-prepared agent. This probably won't happen too often, except in very secure or very paranoid systems. (Or systems you've been detected breaking in to earlier in the night, which would default them to "paranoid.")
DireRadiant
QUOTE (Feshy @ Jan 4 2006, 10:12 PM)
(Or systems you've been detected breaking in to earlier in the night, which would default them to "paranoid.")

Gotta learn to clean up afterwards. Think of the next hacker to come along! Could be your friend you messing up!
BlackHat
No problem, I understand wink.gif So, I assume as a free action, I can detect that the firewall came back up, and that two IC were launched?

hacking+stealth+2 = .. .guess what? that's right.. .11 dice (reminds me of SR3).

Dice: [6] [2] [2] [4] [1] [5] [3] [4] [5] [6] [2] 4 hits, 1 one
Dice: [4] [4] [4] [1] [5] [1] [3] [1] [6] [5] [4] 3 hits, 3 ones

I suppose I will not excersise my administrative powers again just yet - the new firewall program would probably wonder why the administrator is cancelling ice programs. smile.gif So Dual will continue to load edit, and attempt to remain hidden from the IC.

Another question. If the IC spot me, would they have to use an analyze action to tell that I am anything other than an adminstrator? The book's description of patrolling IC makes it sound like if you're logged in with an account (as opposed to hacking on the fly) than patrolling IC needs to analyze you in order to tell if the accoutn is legitimate.. .but, like so much of the BBB, it doesnt' come out and say it. wink.gif

Feshy
QUOTE (BlackHat @ Jan 4 2006, 10:23 PM)
No problem, I understand wink.gif So, I assume as a free action, I can detect that the firewall came back up, and that two IC were launched?

hacking+stealth+2 = .. .guess what? that's right.. .11 dice (reminds me of SR3).

Dice: [6] [2] [2] [4] [1] [5] [3] [4] [5] [6] [2]  4 hits, 1 one
Dice: [4] [4] [4] [1] [5] [1] [3] [1] [6] [5] [4] 3 hits, 3 ones

I suppose I will not excersise my administrative powers again just yet - the new firewall program would probably wonder why the administrator is cancelling ice programs. smile.gif So Dual will continue to load edit, and attempt to remain hidden from the IC.

Another question. If the IC spot me, would they have to use an analyze action to tell that I am anything other than an adminstrator? The book's description of patrolling IC makes it sound like if you're logged in with an account (as opposed to hacking on the fly) than patrolling IC needs to analyze you in order to tell if the accoutn is legitimate.. .but, like so much of the BBB, it doesnt' come out and say it. wink.gif

Yes, the firewall came up before you unloaded exploit, and the IC came up afterwards (before you loaded edit)

I assume the same analyze that will detect you will also reveal you are a valid target for their actions -- but I gave them a penalty to detecting you because of your administrator-like status. I figure whatever code of yours they do detect may show up as administrator and thus throw them off.

Edit -- Oh, and give me two stealth rolls with every action you take -- those IC are going to keep looking for you for a while yet...
BlackHat
Also, since I am not running my reality filter, I've just been describing my programs as things fitting the "bar/club" metaphor - but let me know if something just doesn't make any sense... like, I took the liberty of "creating" one of those tilted ceiling mirrors you see in 7-11s as a way of explaining Dual's use of a free action to watch the IC that can't see him. Not sure if that violates the rule at the beginning of this OOC thread about not controlling things your character doesn't have control over, or not. smile.gif
BlackHat
Lol, I didn't finish my post... okay, lemme read the new one. My turn next!
Feshy
lol, sorry. Just trying to keep up and keep things moving. Maybe a bit *too* fast nyahnyah.gif

And I don't think I actually posted any such rule explicitly. Besides, in this case you're just describing *how* an action you've already asked about manifests itself in a "bar-type" metaphor, and done good at it as well. So who's to complain?
BlackHat
Okay, it should be a new combat turn, so new initiative?

10 dice = [2] [1] [1] [1] [6] [1] [5] [3] [4] [3] = 2 hits, 4 ones (whew)
sso 12 initiative this turn.

My plan.

1st pass: Data search for logs (complex)
2nd pass: Edit logs (complex)
3rd pass: Reset Firewall / command it to stand down (simple)
and dismiss the troll IC (simple)

Relevant rolls:
Data Search: [5] [3] [6] [4] [1] [3] [5] [4] [5] [6] [2] = 5 hits, 1 one
Edit: [1] [5] [6] [6] [4] [4] [5] [5] [5] [4] [6] = 7 hits, 1 one (Suppose I only need one success, since an admin can delete critical files?)

And the third pass shouldn't require actions?


Of course, if the IC catch me first, I'm guessing I'll change that plan, but if not, feel free to run with it.
Feshy
All right, give me six stealth rolls, and I'll let you know if you get spotted before completing the tasks.
BlackHat
Lol, oh yeah, I forgot I had to roll. wink.gif

6 rolls:
Dice: [1] [4] [6] [5] [5] [3] [6] [5] [3] [3] [2] 5 hits, 1 one
Dice: [1] [6] [6] [3] [6] [5] [2] [2] [2] [6] [5] 6 hits, 1 one

Dice: [4] [1] [2] [4] [4] [5] [6] [6] [4] [6] [3] 4 hits, 1 one
Dice: [4] [1] [5] [1] [3] [3] [1] [4] [2] [3] [6] 2 hits, 3 ones (ouch - weakest link!)

Dice: [4] [1] [2] [2] [3] [5] [5] [3] [6] [3] [6] 4 hits, 1 one
Dice: [6] [5] [3] [4] [1] [4] [5] [5] [3] [1] [1] 4 hits, 3 ones

So, hopefully on the second pass the IC rolls for shit. smile.gif
BlackHat
yay! Okay, time to wrap this up and get out of here....

Next combat turn

Initiative: [4] [4] [3] [5] [1] [3] [4] [4] [5] [1] = 2 hits, so 12 initiative

1st Pass: Going to use data trasfer (roll needed?) to DL the employee file I found earlier, and then I will deactivate the dwarven IC and cross my fingers that that doesn't apepar strange to any of the automated system parts. biggrin.gif

If roll is needed for data transfer, [3] [5] [5] [4] [4] [3] [2] [2] [1] [4] [4] = 2 hits, 1 one.

If the dwarf beats me, and two more stealth rolls are required:

Dice: [2] [5] [4] [6] [5] [3] [1] [2] [3] [5] [4] = 4 hits, 1 one
Dice: [2] [6] [1] [3] [3] [3] [2] [6] [6] [6] [2] = 4 hits, 1 one

Edit: Also, bedtime for me - so I'll be back ~8am.

Sorry to everyone else for eating up game time. biggrin.gif I'll try to wrap this up now that we've all posted, so we can move on to the meet.

*mumbles* greedy time-consuming deckers *mumbles*
Feshy
I have to say, compared to previous edition decking actions, that was mighty speedy. It ate up so much time because, well, it was more of two or three hacking actions than one, really wink.gif

That, and it was done while all the other characters where "sleeping" and thus had no other actions interspersed with it.

If, after this, you are done, I can post the necessary things for everyone to move on to the meet.

Edit, again -- also, you already have the information I gave you downloaded (the list of names, some pictures, and tomorrow's schedule.) Those names are all tied to employee records that contain comcodes, addresses, and pay schedules -- but following that link shows the files are encrypted. So if you want that information, you'll have to work a bit more still.
BlackHat
The commcodes are tempting, especially if I wanted to make another backdoor for myself into this system, but as they don't really pertain to the job, and "Dirty Jimmy" wasn't an employee (per se) I'll just let it go.

If I already have the files on the employee names and pictures (they can keep their dirty little encrypted secrets), and the list of security features that I found earlier - I suppose I will not bother to deactivate the probe IC (which might jsut alert the firewall that something is up again), and just log out instead.

I have a feeling I've gotten all the information they're going to have kept on "Dirty Jimmy", and there isn't much point in piossing them off, alerting them to my (second) break-in, or digging up dirt on random waitresses (just yet).

Edit: So, yeah, IOW, feel free to move on to the meet. Dual will take both of his pistols in his new concealed holsters) Since now he knows that "two" probably won't "greatly exceed" their rule. wink.gif
Feshy
At long last, I get to post without spoilers!
BlackHat
One little thing. It stil lsays March 4th. Shouldn't it be the 5th? smile.gif
Feshy
Doh. Fixed now. I copy and paste too wink.gif
BlackHat
On my way in, I order my eyes to scan the bouncer for cyberware and weapons.
They should have 4+4 (System + Clearsight)+3 (Vision Enhancement) or +6 (Cyberscanner)
= 11 dice for visual perception will buy two successes.
= 15 dice for cyberscanning, which can buy 3 successes - enough to detect/identify weapons, cyberware, undergarments - whatever (nothing better than beta-grade though) - linked to his databases so statistical information pops up too.

Basically interested in what cyberware the guy has, what weapons he's packing, and if he has anything else of interest on him (commlinks, headbud, subvocal mic, etc).
DireRadiant
QUOTE (BlackHat)
= 15 dice for cyberscanning, which can buy 3 successes - enough to detect/identify weapons, cyberware, undergarments - whatever (nothing better than beta-grade though) - linked to his databases so statistical information pops up too.

Made me curious how intrusive the cyberscanning is, while I can see a visual scan going undetected, but reading the description, millimeter wave spectrum ranged to 15 meters. This piece of gear somehow makes a physical adept a real attractive option.
DireRadiant
Wheelie + Open Terrain (Parking Lot) = Threshold 2
REACTION 4 + Pilot 1 + Handling 1 + AR 1 = 7 Dice
6 5 3 2 2 2 2 (Two Hits)

Perception 3 + Intuition 3 = 6 Dice
5 5 4 4 3 2 (In the parking Lot) = 2 Hits
5 4 4 2 1 1 (Stepping through the Door) = 1 Hit
DireRadiant
In my own self interest I want to point out the threshold modifiers for detecting cyberware when there are more then 1 implant or item.
BlackHat
QUOTE (DireRadiant)
...but reading the description, millimeter wave spectrum ranged to 15 meters.

I'm not sure if you were saying that cyberscanning is or isn't intrusive smile.gif

At 15 meter (apx 50 feet) it isn't as though one has to wave a stick over someone or anything (like those little hand-held things they have at airports, nowadays).

However, I imagine you do have to point the instrument at someone - which most street sams would probably take as kindly to as pointing anything else at them. wink.gif Luckly, Dual's scanner(s) are fairly subtle....
DireRadiant
Okay, now I see a mistake in equiping myself without a certified credstick...

Is there an AR Terminal inside, or a physical credstick reader or terminal?
Toptomcat
Sorry about the period without posts, caught a mild cold.
Jaid
blech, i think i am gonna have to wait on posting in the IC thread... every time i go to write something, my brain turns off (need sleeeeep... heck, if you could see how many times i had to delete and retype to get the 'p' on the end of that, you'd probably get tired just watching nyahnyah.gif)

anyways, sorry to delay things a little... will report in tomorrow...
Feshy
Sorry about the delay; having some technical difficulties here (namely the cat spilled soda on my keyboard and I need to disassemble it. Again. I know I've told that cat not to drink at my computer before.

BlackHat:

The cyberware scanner is not a "vision add-on" so much as a seperate system. You roll it's rating only for its checks, no system or clearsight is used with this roll.

DireRadiant:

Pilot is only used for the roll if the bike is controlling itself. When you are driving, you use Reaction + Ground Vehicles, when the bike is driving it rolls Pilot + Maneuver.

I chose a die at random from your results to subtract to fix that, and... you still made it.

Toptomcat

No problem at all. And most of what you missed was BlackHat's hacking... so a lot of spoiler posts only he got to read.

Oh, and I still need a starting cash roll from you.
DireRadiant
Kind of tricky at this point, do I assume Bubbles get past the door, will there be a problem when Bubbles asks for Dirty Jimmy. Is there an AR terminal I can use to pay? Not to mention the timing issues... is there a pile of bodies in the entryway from the previous entrants? Do I assume things go as I might expect to a certain point in what I write for the scene? Do I just presume up to a certain point and then plan on editing the post later. All these things to figure out.
BlackHat
Ah, my bad. Its 6 dice then: [4] [3] [4] [3] [3] [5] = 1 hit, 0 ones.

Man, have no idea why I thought you added the rating to a perception check. wink.gif

Would also like to set my eyes' microphones' select sound filters to listen for conversations where the terms "Dirty Jimmy," "Shadowrun," "Hacker", "Dual", "Shara" or "Hack" (yeah, twice) comes up, and then filter them out for me. (p324) With two of them going at rating 3, that should allow me to filter for 6 things and monitor them (though I can only focus on one at a time, the others wil lbe saved). References to "Dirty Jimmy" are the ones I'd activly listen to.

Audio perception should be 4+4+3=11 = [4] [1] [5] [2] [1] [3] [2] [3] [5] [3] [5] 3 hits
Feshy
QUOTE (DireRadiant)
Kind of tricky at this point, do I assume Bubbles get past the door, will there be a problem when Bubbles asks for Dirty Jimmy. Is there an AR terminal I can use to pay? Not to mention the timing issues... is there a pile of bodies in the entryway from the previous entrants? Do I assume things go as I might expect to a certain point in what I write for the scene? Do I just presume up to a certain point and then plan on editing the post later. All these things to figure out.

So far it looks like no pile of bodies. You seem to be the only one making any kind of a scene while entering wink.gif GingerKid hasn't posed yet, but I don't imagine Snapp is going to, well, snap and kill everyone. So the scene should look as described for everyone else.

There's definately an AR terminal to pay electronically.

Are you asking the door man about Dirty Jimmy, or waiting until you are inside?
Toptomcat
I actually took the average roll- 3.5 per d6- and put the nuyen yielded on the character sheet I gave you.
DireRadiant
QUOTE (Feshy)
DireRadiant:

Pilot is only used for the roll if the bike is controlling itself.  When you are driving, you use Reaction + Ground Vehicles, when the bike is driving it rolls Pilot + Maneuver.

I chose a die at random from your results to subtract to fix that, and... you still made it.


Ah, the pilot is the Pilot Ground Craft skill.

So

Attribute REACTION 4 + Skill Pilot Ground Craft 1 + Vehicle Handling Growler 1 + AR 1 = 7 Dice


AR is Augmented Reality P. 159

"Driving with Augmented or Virtual Reality
Characters who are physically driving/piloting with the
aid of augmented reality (they have subscribed to the vehicle
as a service) receive a +1 dice pool modifi er on all Vehicle
Tests. If they are remotely controlling the vehicle, they receive
no bonus."

I think if you use Pilot, the vehicle test is actually Pilot + autosoft, Pilot replace attribute, and the autosoft replaces skill.

These are all so easy to find and collected together in convenient organized places with excellent examples in the book naturally.

Feshy
Oh, okay! That'll work too. Wonder how I missed that. Thanks.
DireRadiant
QUOTE (Feshy)
There's definately an AR terminal to pay electronically.

Are you asking the door man about Dirty Jimmy, or waiting until you are inside?

Asking the doorman as Bubbles pays the cover charge. It's almost 3 PM! Can't waste time searching the place and asking everyone. Be kind of obvious if Bubbles goes an and loudly asks for him.
DireRadiant
QUOTE (Feshy)
Oh, okay!  That'll work too.  Wonder how I missed that.  Thanks.

The information in the book isn't really well organized for how you would use it in play.
BlackHat
Yay! A spoiler within a spoiler! biggrin.gif

Also, not a big deal, but the cyberware canner should have been able to pick out armor and the concealed stun baton (since they are non-living material) but probably wouldn't have identified the armor (unless it comes with some limited database of prohibited items)... stun baton should probably show up under the "clubs" datasoft, at least. If not, that's cool too, I'm not too worried about it.
Feshy
QUOTE (DireRadiant)
QUOTE (Feshy)
Oh, okay!  That'll work too.  Wonder how I missed that.  Thanks.

The information in the book isn't really well organized for how you would use it in play.

Actually, this was in response to Toptomcat's post... yours wasn't there when I hit reply wink.gif

And yes, I mistook the "Pilot" in your post for "Pilot" instead of "Pilot Ground Vehicles." Darn similiarly-worded terminology.

But yes, I understood the AR bonus, and "Maneuver" is the specific autosoft that affects the Pilot (that is, autopilot)'s ability to drive.

I had just mistakenly thought you had added the autopilot ("Pilot" now) to the roll, which is how SR3 worked instead.
Feshy
QUOTE (BlackHat)
Yay! A spoiler within a spoiler! biggrin.gif

Also, not a big deal, but the cyberware canner should have been able to pick out armor and the concealed stun baton (since they are non-living material) but probably wouldn't have identified the armor (unless it comes with some limited database of prohibited items)... stun baton should probably show up under the "clubs" datasoft, at least. If not, that's cool too, I'm not too worried about it.

If I remember the table correctly, "Items and weapons" require two successes to identify. I'll check again to be sure.

And yea, the "edit post" chokes on the spoiler in a spoiler, so my signature line has to stay this time. Hope I didn't make any other errors in that post.
Feshy
QUOTE (Feshy)
QUOTE (BlackHat @ Jan 5 2006, 11:07 PM)
Yay! A spoiler within a spoiler! biggrin.gif

Also, not a big deal, but the cyberware canner should have been able to pick out armor and the concealed stun baton (since they are non-living material) but probably wouldn't have identified the armor (unless it comes with some limited database of prohibited items)... stun baton should probably show up under the "clubs" datasoft, at least. If not, that's cool too, I'm not too worried about it.

If I remember the table correctly, "Items and weapons" require two successes to identify. I'll check again to be sure.

And yea, the "edit post" chokes on the spoiler in a spoiler, so my signature line has to stay this time. Hope I didn't make any other errors in that post.

Ooops, weapon is 1 hit, "other item" is 2. So yes, it should have found the stun baton. Too bad I can't edit the post; but I had already given you the information anyway. Just replace "probably" and "most likely" with "Is identified by your datasoft as"
BlackHat
ha, done and done. smile.gif
DireRadiant
QUOTE (Feshy)
Ooops, weapon is 1 hit, "other item" is 2.  So yes, it should have found the stun baton.  Too bad I can't edit the post; but I had already given you the information anyway.  Just replace "probably" and "most likely" with "Is identified by your datasoft as"

Since it might affect Bubbles.

On page 254 there are some additional modifiers.

2 or more implants/items +1 (Threshold)
4 or more implants/items +2 (Threshold)
6+ implants/items +3 (Threshold)

"If the threshold is reached, the scanner detects the item/implant and notes
its general locations and type; additional hits provide more
detail (function, model, grade, etc.).'

The question I have is if you don't achieve the threshold, do you get a "Something here but I can't possibly find a match" or do you simply get "Nothing matches database".

The other question is if it's a single test for a single scan and you get a result for all items if you achieve the threshold, or you get a test against each item.

e.g. I do one scan, and if I achieve threshold I can tell that there are 4 items and what they all are. Or do I do a scan and do four tests, one for each item the scan might pick up?
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