Going to order Agent to Redirect (Rating+Redirect = 1,6,6,3,3,4,3,3 = 2 successes) :-/ Then going to log off of my VR game, and disconnect my wireless. Unless they traced me in that one combat turn, I *think* that means that they get nothing - and if they did get me, it means they only pinpointed me to within 50 meters and with a spoofed ID.

(BTW, let me know if I miss somethign in the rules, such as, I was under the impression that until I actually logged into their node, they couldn't use matrix perception to find me to trace me... but maybe that's not the case *shrugs* I'm new to SR4)

I'm guessing here (I'm sure you know) but I think their base threshhold is 15 (10 + stealth 5) + any net successes from the agents redirect attempt. So Dual's going to assume that nobody has traced him yet.

Edit:
I'm aware that bailing out now means that security logs on their end will probably point out my exploit and they will shore it up shortly, but since it was curiosity and not necessity luring me in there, I'm not that worried about that.

Dual unloads his agent, deciding to test it again some other time, on an even weaker system. In its place, he's loading Spoof. He also activates his wired reflexes so his mind is moving at matrix speeds, even though he's working in AR.

Current loadout = Stealth, Browse, Exploit, Redirect and Spoof.

Spoofing commlink: 5,4,3,5,1,5,5,1,2 = 4 hits, 2 ones, beats threshhold of 2.

Exploiting roll = : 4,6,6,4,1,1,4,6,4 = 3 hits, 2 ones. Not sure if I need to roll, since the agent found the exploit, and I'm just using it (hopefully before the account/overflow bug is found and removed).

If he gets in with admin privileges, he is hoping he can quickly destroy the logs himself - and leave his exploit safe. If he fails, he'll wait around for the system to cool off.

I have to admit, I too am a bit perplexed about just what is allowed to be done about someone trying to break in to a system that has not yet logged in to that node. The rules for being noticed probing for an account basically point you to the standard "system response" section that details things like trace IC, attack IC, etc. This would imply they can run the whole gamut of IC at you if they like, but *where* exactly this would take place (your commlink node? Their system node?) isn't even discussed.

So, my ruling (that is, random guess enforced by GM fiat ) is that if you are detected while breaking in, you are vulnerable to at the very least, trace IC. You will be considered in "limbo" -- neither their node, nor yours, exactly -- though their system will still be able to use firewall for any relevant tests the IC makes. This means you can't retaliate by crashing the OS, or deleting logs, etc. until you log in (which could be done withe either a brute force "hacking on the fly" or, in this case, trying your exploit and seeing if the system automatically locked it out when it went active -- which I'd just have to fudge some rolls for.)

Basically, I figure it wouldn't make any sense if the system could *detect* you but not *do* anything about it, and the book is vague on the subject. So that's what I did.

Oh, and track is threshold 10, with a couple small modifiers (Black IC, spoofed data trail actions) -- your stealth is applied as a negative modifier to *each* of the tracker's rolls.

you shouldn't have to wait too long Direradiant... Gingerkid should be back tomorrow, and should presumably post i would think.

Ahhh! I guess, that's actually a lot better than how I thought it worked. And I'm willing to go with the ruling.

I had no idea how it worked either.. I just knew my agent was running on my commlink when he was doing his buisness, and that I didn't want him to actually perform the hack - just locate it (which I suppose invovles performing it once to detect that its there)... so I had no idea if IC could percieve it or do anythign in responce... (Since it ended in round one, I am assuming the otehr IC probably didn't even have time to percieve it.. .but I'll never know)...

but yeah, I'm happy with how the rules have been going so far - and extreamly pleased with the level of detail you give to your IC replies. Keep up the good work.

In your game, are there still taxis with human drivers on the Seattle streets?

Thanks

Roll Agent + Agent's Exploit -- I'll use this to see how obscure the exploit was, and if the system (which will oppose it with system + firewall + intruder detected bonus) notices it and closes it off.

Also, in case anyone's wondering... I tried DLing Feshy's die roller, and it said the zip file was corrupt... so I'm using the D&D one at: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/dice/dice.htm

Its not real awesome for shadowrun... but gives the results fo each d6...

Look up, please.

hmmm... just looking at my gear list and thinking...

wearing my armor underneath the clothes i bought would probably defeat the purpose of having bought the clothes i am presuming, right?

blech... i may have to rely on defensive magic sooner than i had anticipated...

Ooops, sorry I missed that Toptomcat; making breakfast and posting at the same time has drawbacks.

Yes, seattle still has at least some non-automated taxi services -- mostly in poorer places where human labor is still cheaper (and debatably more expendable) than expensive drones. At least, in my game this is so. I haven't heard any word from canon; but I admitedly haven't looked closely either.

Besides, people can't be hacked.

well, i don't think it's a t-shirt... we're looking at middle class business casual here. i suspect it's more of a golf shirt sort of thing, maybe even a shirt-and-tie kind of shirt (minus the tie).

and i am presuming the jacket is intended to be worn open, so it won't help too much

the whole point of picking up the clothes was to not look like i'm a shadowrunner, but rather to look more like a regular middle class office worker or something. thus, wearing a (according to flavor text, brightly colored) jumpsuit underneath my business clothing would probably draw as much, if not more, attention to my character... which is exactly the opposite of what i planned.

Oh, that's cool of you.

Well, during that day, Dual will try to pick up 2 concealable holsters (-150 nuyen). According to BBB they are completely legal.. which I suppose makes sense, because they are not, themselves, deadly... but he'd like to get them someplace that doesn't ask a lot of questions - possibly from Shara if she's available, and can get them to him before noon tomarrow.

For example, his fake SIN doesn't have a license for any handguns.

right then, so like i said, relying on defensive spells it is

well, i just hope i notice any problems before they become problems then

Alright. New Exploiting. This time doing it myself (still not in VR so no +2 hot sim bonus, damn). Dual's programs run at rating 5 (rather than 4) so he's hoping the extra stealth will help him out (5 rather than 4 to detect).

EDIT: Oh yeah, and although I failed ot mention it. Can we assume Dual always spoofs his ID. He can buy enough hits to do it, or roll it out easily - but I'm already tired of explicitly mentioning it.

(Computer+Exploit = 9 dice) Threshhold System+Firewall+6
1st Hour: 2,2,1,4,1,5,6,4,5 = 3 hits, 2 ones
2nd Hour: 3,1,1,6,6,5,4,4,6 = 4 hits, 2 ones
3rd Hour: 4,5,4,3,5,3,1,5,6 = 4 hits, 2 ones
4th Hour: 2,6,4,4,4,5,4,1,1 = 2 hits, 2 ones

(Limited to 4 because of skill rank 4?)

if not, he'll just give up around then anyways, because it'll be 4am, and he needs to get home and get to bed if he's going to be functional at the meet tomarrow. Otherwise, what he plans to do won't take long, so he'll stay up for the rest of the matrix-run.

Also, heading to bed now - so no new posts from me for 8 hours or so.

Bah! I definatly don't have time for 4-5 days.
Sure, we'll do hours, in VR, but first Dual will head home again - again, doesn't want to be passed out in a club with for 4 hours.

In (hot-sim) VR, he gets +2 dice (its a shame agents don't) so I'll just roll those for each hour, and add the hits/ones to the totals from before:

1st hour: 5,6 = +1 hits, +0 ones (4 hits total)
2nd hour: 4,5 = +1 hit, +0 ones (5 hits total)
3rd hour: 6,5 = +2 hits, +0 ones (6 hits total)
4th hour: 3,1 = +0 hits, +1one (2 hits total)

no glitches.

Also, can you do a redirect action BEFORE someone initiates a trace? or is that someone one does in response to a trace? If it can be done before, Dual will do so, otherwise he'll wit till he thinks he set off all the alarms again.

It's so hard to not read all the spoilers sections in the IC threads. So far I have resisted.

Geez, I leave the internet for a couple of days to go to a party or four and the OOC thread goes from a couple of posts to 4 PAGES OF POSTS!

I will be editing this post and posting in the IC thread tonight after work.

Yeah, and I was surprised when I saw 22 posts...

Oh, now that we're 4 pages in, I suppose we ought to finish rolling up starting cash.

The starting money table is on P. 86.

I need rolls from:
DireRadiant
GingerKid
TopTomCat

I already have the starting cash for:
Jaid
Blackhat

Thanks.

Ginger Kid:

Oh, and everyone who has left or is leaving for the club -- what time are you going to try to arrive by?

DireRadiant, I've already got yours from the IC (a minute to spare.)

GingerKid, what time will you be roaring in on your mighty dodge scoot?

Dual switches out Spoof for Analyze once in and looks around (Matrix Perception = 4+5=9dice +2 for hot sim = 11 dice) 2,1,2,3,1,4,2,3,5,5,2 = 2 hits, 2 ones

If he's clear (or thinks he is) he'll do a datasearch for anything reguarding "Dirty Jimmy" (hoping that he's a regular, or that there is some correspondance between the employees of the club reguarding what to do if shadowrunner-types show up asking about him). again, 11 dice = 5,3,3,2,6,5,1,6,2,3,4 = 4 hits, 1 one

If he thinks he's not clear, well... that's a different story.

Wirelessly send him some digital cred?

When Dual gets around to going (the next day, he's aiming to get to bed between 4-5 and waking up around noon the next day. Getting ready for an hour, and catching a taxi (leaving him another half-hour to an hour depending on how long he thinks it'll take him to get there) to that part of Seattle - which leaves him with another hour to get in. Depending on just how popular this place is mid-afternoon on a Wednesday, Dual thinks there could be a line, but isn't really expecting one.

If there is a bigass line, Dual will get in - if not, he doesn't want to show up THAT early, so will putz around for a half-hour or something before entering the club.

If he's lucky, and gleens any useful information from his matrix run, this plan might change, of course.

Already the infromation being gathered is changin my plan. Not counting on having to wait in line anymore, so assume I'll plan to show up about a half-hour early.

As for the new rolls. I'm not sure if this is still a data search or not (but pretty much whatever I do will have 11 dice)

So for the employee records (looking for names, picture IDs, commcodes, SINs (fake?) nicknames, and the schedual for tomarrow afternoon including who will be at the door): 6,5,6,2,4,1,3,3,3,6,6 = 5 hits, 1 one

For the security systems (looking for cameras, MAD scanners, fire alarms, panic buttons, etc. Whatever they have wired to the matrix): 3,4,5,2,6,2,3,1,1,6,3 = 3 hits, 2 ones

Blackhat


Initiative would probably be good too

Response+Firewall = 10 + 2 for hot sim? = 12 dice: 4,1,1,4,5,6,5,6,4,2,1,3 = 5 hits, 3 ones

I actually don't remember exactly how the initiative system works and I'm at work, so it'll be some time before I can look it up again.

IIRC, it involves a Responce+Intuition+1 (?) roll = 10 dice = 2,3,4,5,1,6,2,1,5,3 = 3 hits, 2 ones... but I thought that was added to something. 3IPs anwyays.