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Mister Juan
toturi
Just so I can make my post more believable/correct, I have a few questions. How Gabe will "talk" with Cloud might vary on a few things that he would have probably noticed.
1- Does Cloud have a datajack?
2- When Cloud uses his commlink, does he interface with it physically (typing, reading the screen, etc..) or does he have some sort of visual and/or audio display?

Thanks mate wink.gif
De Badd Ass
QUOTE (amra28)
In character when can "discuss" things without being heard by using the texting feature of our commlinks. Sort of what we are doing now on this thread.

We should also get any surveillance footage from the hotel, probably enough to cover the whole time he has been in this suite.

Fooey will share what he has learned sofar. Please add the results of your investigations. Draw your own conclusions:

Hotel room perception:

- Johnny Wang wears gold rimmed glasses are image display and skin linked
- Johnny Wangs gold watch includes a bio monitor and skin link
- The rooms walls, floors and ceilings and windows are special sound deadening and blocking material.

Matrix Perception in Hotel Suite

- The room blocks external wireless signals.
- There are several nodes in the room that provide plenty of connections and can be set to retransmit to external nodes.
- Johnny Wangs Biomonitor watch is attempting to signal Yokogawa Ambulance Services, but are blocked.
- The Rooms node are set to Total Privacy Mode, no signals are retransmitted out of the room.
- Johnny Wang has an implanted commlink. It is also attempting to signal Yokogawa Ambulance Services.
- The hallway also blocks external signals and has it's own nodes.

The room nodes use hard wire links to network with the rest of the hotel.
- The room sensors, trideo, are on
- The biomonitor and Johnny's commlink are sending different messages to Yokogawa.

- The room node is very unresponsive.
- The room sensors are not recording.
- The biomonitor is sending a higher priority message then Johnny's Commlink is attempting.

When Ms. Green arrived:

- The signals from outside increased tremendously when the window was taken out.
- You have a new message!
- The serving cart is a very strong node.
- The serving cart is scanning the room with powerful signals

Placed Call to Hotel, asked to be connect to Mr. John Wang in this room.

There's no Mr Wang staying, nor is the room occupied, but they'd be very happy to hold a message at the front desk for this mysterious Mr Wang for when he arrives.

Sniffer search for comm traffic related to "Johnny Wang":

The only results with "Johnny Wang" are the PC commlink traffic, if any, and the biomonitor and commlink signals to Yokogawa Corporation Ambulance Services. There is no other data on "Johnny Wang". And by data, that includes things like sensor imagery. The search included as much of the hotel nodes as well.

This is unusual. Your search routine is smart enough to go beyond simple name search, and cross reference imagery, and any other personal data. Such as the Yokogawa Ambulance Services account being transmitted.

Hacking the hotel suite:

A check of the logs reveal the room has been in privacy node since about 10 PM earlier in the evening. There are several hundred generic Happy New Year messages in the message queue. The latest messages are high priority status queries from the hotel Agent, along with some queries from newspaper/media agents.
De Badd Ass
QUOTE (De Badd Ass @ Nov 30 2006, 01:09 AM)
- You have a new message!

DR: What is my "new message"?
TheRedRightHand
QUOTE
Hacking the hotel suite:

A check of the logs reveal the room has been in privacy node since about 10 PM earlier in the evening. There are several hundred generic Happy New Year messages in the message queue. The latest messages are high priority status queries from the hotel Agent, along with some queries from newspaper/media agents.


If I am reading this right, does this mean that even though the hotel has no record of the room being occupied or of Wang being a guest, the room's node is still recieving messages for him from well wishers and the media? How would they know which room to send the messages to, let alone that he was even here?

Unless the data about him being a guest has been deleeted very recently (after the messages had been sent).

I know my character doesn't know any of this yet, but I just want to make sure I understand what this info means.
TheRedRightHand
QUOTE (Vegas)

Perhaps we (You, Me, and Toturi) [jeeze that sounds like a movie] can put together a good 'united front' to save our collective asses.


Sounds good to me, although it might look strange to the hotel lady if we all go aside and talk it out for a few minutes before responding to her. (Would this cause us to "loose face" in front of her and the hotel?)

Mike is fully ready to step up and talk to her right now, but I just want to make sure it is good with all of you guys first. He might be looking for a signal (head nod, hand gesture, etc...) for him to step in.

He will probably take in a straight foreword manner with her, without many of the social niceities, common in HK conversation (although having lived in HK for a number of years he would know how to do so.) This is mainly because I personally don't know very many of them. But I am willing to give it the old collage try. smile.gif

DR: If I understand what you wrote earlier, since my Cantonese is high (5) if I make a post of talking to her you will take into consideration that I, the player, may not know exactly how to phrase things in the right style, politeness, etc..., but my character would. So anything I say would be "translated" or "taken as" being correct (assuming I make a good roll) even if I personally don't write it as such?
De Badd Ass
QUOTE (TheRedRightHand @ Nov 30 2006, 01:27 AM)
QUOTE
Hacking the hotel suite:

A check of the logs reveal the room has been in privacy node since about 10 PM earlier in the evening. There are several hundred generic Happy New Year messages in the message queue. The latest messages are high priority status queries from the hotel Agent, along with some queries from newspaper/media agents.


If I am reading this right, does this mean that even though the hotel has no record of the room being occupied or of Wang being a guest, the room's node is still recieving messages for him from well wishers and the media? How would they know which room to send the messages to, let alone that he was even here?

Unless the data about him being a guest has been deleeted very recently.

I know my character doesn't know any of this yet, but I just want to make sure I understand what this info means.

When we have our "huddle", Fooey shares this info, so you would know it.

I assume that, like HAL in 2001, the hotel system has multiple layers, like an onion. At one level it is lying to callers about Johnny's presense. At another level it is routing messages to the room he doesn't occupy.

There could be other explanations - your "deleted" theory is just as good. You can apply similar logic to the room trideo, etc.
TheRedRightHand
Mike's observations so far...

(He won't actually share this with you guys yet, not while other people might be listening in. He's not so tech savvy (he's not even wearing his comlink right now) so he wouldn't be texting it to you guys. He also wouldn't trust the signal not to be intercepted).

Anyways, here is some extra info...

-The Bed was only slept in by one person.
-No clothes or other personal belonings are in the room.
-There was an 18" black hair on the bed. Wang has short hair.
-No scent of perfume or shampoo on either the hair or the pillow.
-Last time we talked to Wang he was happy and exhilarated. Not scared or worried.
-It was a crime of passion (Anger and rage on the astral, with a hint of sadness)
-He was struck with a blunt object, once to the head.
-He was still warm and could be saved. So it had to have happened very recently. (with in minutes I would assume).
-There are some very strong astral wards around the room, created be the lady talking to us right now.
-each person in the hotel has an encrypted passcode allowing them into their assigned room and public areas. Each of us had our own code, and presumably, so did Wang and whoever attacked him.
-All the team members had time after the run, and were alone at one time or another before the meeting, so any of them could have done this...
toturi
QUOTE (Mister Juan @ Nov 30 2006, 12:25 PM)
toturi
Just so I can make my post more believable/correct, I have a few questions. How Gabe will "talk" with Cloud might vary on a few things that he would have probably noticed.
1- Does Cloud have a datajack?
2- When Cloud uses his commlink, does he interface with it physically (typing, reading the screen, etc..) or does he have some sort of visual and/or audio display?

Thanks mate wink.gif

He has visual and audio inputs as well as other data from his sensors. He has to physically manipulate his commlink, but calls from the team are put through automatically(I assume that was how the team communicated).

Once Cloud has a chance to talk to the rest about his observations, you can all go read the spoilers for all the physical clues. Hey, 16++ dice is teh l33t biggrin.gif.
De Badd Ass
QUOTE (toturi)
He has visual and audio inputs as well as other data from his sensors. He has to physically manipulate his commlink, but calls from the team are put through automatically(I assume that was how the team communicated).

I think it is a good idea for everyone to be explicit about their commlink access. Fooey has been limiting his communications to Gabe, because Gabe is a hacker, and Fooey thinks the rest of the team is magically active.

Since we have been on a run together, this information should be known to team members. Only a few members put the information in their PC introductions.
DireRadiant
QUOTE (TheRedRightHand)
DR: If I understand what you wrote earlier, since my Cantonese is high (5) if I make a post of talking to her you will take into consideration that I, the player, may not know exactly how to phrase things in the right style, politeness, etc..., but my character would. So anything I say would be "translated" or "taken as" being correct (assuming I make a good roll) even if I personally don't write it as such?

Yes.

The other way is to get an idea of what you want done, and Toturi can probably give a good way of saying it. Toturi has done a great job so far with the conversation.
DireRadiant
QUOTE (De Badd Ass)
QUOTE (De Badd Ass @ Nov 30 2006, 01:09 AM)
- You have a new message!

DR: What is my "new message"?

This represents any queued messages that show up for Fooey or the team inside when the window opened temporarily. There was enough time for the commlinks to connect and collect messages that were queued. Fluff...
DireRadiant
Between you all have a lot of data to share, all of which would take time OOC and IC to go over. Everyone might want to focus on who is doing the Negotiation test and what objective you want for it. The sharing of data, while it may have some impact on what you want to negotiate for, won't be as important as the results of what you do to follow up on it, which is all the fun stuff you may be doing later IC. For purposes of the scene you might consider a range of 10 to 30 seconds as the amount of time that's reasonable for the team to share a discussion on what to do at this point. That's the time that seems reasonable to most of the PC with ettiquete skills.

We'll resolve the Negotiation test OOC, then decide who or what IC post to do for it, that should give us the most flexibility in describing the event.
toturi
OK, I'm NOT going to be doing the roll for the Negotiation but can "help" with the task - DR, are you allowing helpers for this task?
DireRadiant
QUOTE (toturi)
OK, I'm NOT going to be doing the roll for the Negotiation but can "help" with the task - DR, are you allowing helpers for this task?

Yes. Teamwork will apply.
BlackHat
Blaze will stay out of the conversation all together - his helping would be about as likely to hurt as to help.
amra28
Wu Xian will also stay out of the negotiations, he wouldn't really help.

As far as commlink access, Wu uses both an AR glove and physical methods with the display on his sunglasses.
MK Ultra
Tai Lo / Si Wu Shi Wu has his com in his eye and ear and at a mental klick at anytime.

As with etiquette, I could help some, but would rather have it done by more sociallly apt team-members, also I canīt quiet imagin, that more then two or three of us talking would do the negotiations any good.
Mister Juan
Sorry for the slow posting speed. I'm terribly busy at work and I keep getting back home so late all I have time for is food/shower/sleep.
In about 3 weeks, my ridiculously hectic life will slow down A LOT. I'll try to get up early enough tomorrow to fire up a post. If not, I'll definitly have something up tomorrow night.

If you guys want to push ahead:
What Gabe was going to do was to speak in french to Cloud, telling him some bogus story about a random thing that has nothing to do with what is currently happening... all the while actually "speaking with him" thru his comm. He's going to relay Fooey's information to him, and put the little guy through to Cloud.

Once again, sorry for holding up the game frown.gif
Vegas
Willow can "step up to the plate" to take Cloud's place as Gabe walks away with him. Y'know, woman to woman n' all.
toturi
So who's going to do the talking? Can those who want to do the talking post their dice pools so we know who is the best at this?
TheRedRightHand
Mike's got 8 dice for negotiation in total (10 for sense motive) and 7 dice for etiquette. (with a max of 5 successes in both because of his Cantonese skill level)
Konsaki
There is not much Hikaru can do to help the situation, so I just threw up a post bringing her to the present.
As for helping in negotiations, she does have 1 rank in the skill. I dont know how much help that would be though...
Vegas
Willow's got 6 dice and edge pool of 3 if necessary for negotiations and etiquette and has the benefit of being a native.
De Badd Ass
QUOTE (TheRedRightHand @ Dec 2 2006, 04:07 AM)
Mike's got 8 dice for negotiation in total (10 for sense motive) and 7 dice for etiquette. (with a max of 5 successes in both because of his Cantonese skill level)

Negotiate in English, so that all can understand. Use your beautiful Cantonese (5 is very good) to explain to Ms. Green that all present do not speak Chinese.
DireRadiant
I would like to not do a whole series of negotiation rolls, there will be one so we can get moving along. However, the choices made will have some influence in adding or removing elements in the result. What I need is the following.

Who's speaking?
What are you asking for? Make a list.
What won't you offer to do at all?
toturi
I suggest Mike does the Negotiation in English. Those with Influence Group or Negotiation can help by adding dice to his roll.

Again, I suggest we do not mention pay, but ask for cooperation and material support from the security providers of the hotel.

Instead of saying what we won't do, say what we will do. We will investigate the death and find out whoever is responsible, we will inform the hotel of our findings, if they so decide to let us handle things further, we can renegotiate a new deal. That narrows things that we will be responsible for tremendously.
amra28
This sounds good to me.

One thing that we should do is just end it with the hotel by telling them we will let them know our findings. Do not hint that we will then wait for their decision on what should be done and if they want us to do anything. After all we may find out that we need to take action to save ourselves but the hotel may not see it this way.
Mister Juan
Alright, I wouldn't call this "negotiating", but I'll roll it anyways wink.gif
Gabe is just trying to speed up the situation... and it's his way of saying "frag you" to Cloud nyahnyah.gif

Just for kicks, I'll add edge .

Total pool: 12
Rolls: 2,5,4,5,1,6,5,3,4,4,3,5
Hits: 5
Rerolls: 5
Hits: 1
Total hits: 6

*giggles*
Konsaki
Yeah! Kickass, Juan.
Mister Juan
QUOTE (Konsaki)
Yeah! Kickass, Juan.

I just hope everyone has the same strange sense of humor as me wink.gif
Vegas
Oh some of us do! some of us do! wink.gif
*giggles s'more*
DireRadiant
While it's a nice entertaining IC post, I did set Monday as the day for when we would set up the resolution of the groups negotiation. I specifically wanted to avoid the situation where whomever posts IC first gets to drive events. When we have a combat everyone goes on inititative. This is a similar critical situation, but it involves a social contest. I deliberately delayed resolution till Monday to either have everyone come to a consensus, or resolve between any conflicting desires of the PC and characters before making IC posts.

At this point I am not sure how to proceed.
Mister Juan
Well, as a Character, Gabriel just felt "roughed up" by Cloud comment, and was tired of sitting on his own two hands. He's impulsive and does things like that.

Now, myself as a player, just thought it was funny as hell wink.gif I simply wanted to push things along a little.
DireRadiant
The scene was actually proceeding at a good pace with Toturi/Cloud talking with Hilary Green when I deliberately asked Toturi to pause ICLy to allow everyone a chance to provide input. There are 9 players and I want every to have an oppurtunity to participate in this critical scene. Any pause or slowness in this scene was at my request. If I hadn't asked for the pause this negotiation would be long over and Gabe would have never had the oppurtunity to act at all.
Mister Juan
QUOTE (DireRadiant)
The scene was actually proceeding at a good pace with Toturi/Cloud talking with Hilary Green when I deliberately asked Toturi to pause ICLy to allow everyone a chance to provide input.

Oh I see. Well, I wasn't aware of that.

Well, thats alright. Want me to double back and delete my post?
De Badd Ass
QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Dec 3 2006, 12:38 AM)
The scene was actually proceeding at a good pace with Toturi/Cloud talking with Hilary Green when I deliberately asked Toturi to pause ICLy to allow everyone a chance to provide input. There are 9 players and I want every to have an oppurtunity to participate in this critical scene. Any pause or slowness in this scene was at my request. If I hadn't asked for the pause this negotiation would be long over and Gabe would have never had the oppurtunity to act at all.

Fooey asked Gabe to interrupt the negotiations, to give everyone a chance to participate. I (and he) wasn't aware that you asked Toturi the same thing. Everyone had an opportunity to respond; in fact, everyone made at least one post. Most people bowed out of the process without providing any input. They didn't say what they wanted, or what they would or wouldn't do. They didn't even reveal their commlink use. I haven't figured out why; I just have some hunches.

As for Gabe's IC. I was just about to post that he better watch out that Ms Green doesn't cast a spell that turns him into a toad. I'm okay with his post; it wasn't what I would have recommended.

Considering how the previous negotiations were going, and the various attitudes expressed (and left unexpressed) sofar, I think it would be entirely appropriate for other characters to object IC at this point. I picture the party bickering rising in intensity until Wu Xian restores order by firing his gun in the air.

On the other hand, Willow could hijack the negotiation by making some off hand remark about testosterone. or Mike could make a similar comment about youthful exuberance. They were the only other ones that expressed an interest in negotiating.

I recommend that you continue to wait until Monday, and see what happens.
Mister Juan
QUOTE (De Badd Ass @ Dec 3 2006, 12:09 AM)
As for Gabe's IC. I was just about to post that he better watch out that Ms Green doesn't cast a spell that turns him into a toad.

Unless she doesn't want to get some lovin' for the night biggrin.gif
De Badd Ass
QUOTE (Mister Juan)
QUOTE (De Badd Ass @ Dec 3 2006, 12:09 AM)
As for Gabe's IC. I was just about to post that he better watch out that Ms Green doesn't cast a spell that turns him into a toad.

Unless she doesn't want to get some lovin' for the night biggrin.gif

She might not even need a spell to turn you into goo. nyahnyah.gif
Mister Juan
QUOTE (De Badd Ass)
QUOTE (Mister Juan @ Dec 3 2006, 01:12 AM)
QUOTE (De Badd Ass @ Dec 3 2006, 12:09 AM)
As for Gabe's IC. I was just about to post that he better watch out that Ms Green doesn't cast a spell that turns him into a toad.

Unless she doesn't want to get some lovin' for the night biggrin.gif

She might not even need a spell to turn you into goo. nyahnyah.gif

oh man... thats just nasty nyahnyah.gif
Konsaki
Hmm... since I think Hikaru is the only female here who can see astral, she could always run up and yank him away, saying something to the effect of "you dont know what you're doing"
De Badd Ass
QUOTE (Mister Juan)
oh man... thats just nasty

You were the one bragging about your strange sense of humor. I have a feeling that the toad comment went right over your head.

Try walking around all day in the world of U-mans, your eyes three feet off the ground, without thinking like a ferenghi.
De Badd Ass
QUOTE (Konsaki @ Dec 3 2006, 01:27 AM)
Hmm... since I think Hikaru is the only female here who can see astral, she could always run up and yank him away, saying something to the effect of "you dont know what you're doing"

It is possible that Willow is hiding that particular talent. Gabe and Fooey are the only mundanes in the group.
Vegas
QUOTE (De Badd Ass)
Everyone had an opportunity to respond; in fact, everyone made at least one post. Most people bowed out of the process without providing any input. They didn't say what they wanted, or what they would or wouldn't do. They didn't even reveal their commlink use. I haven't figured out why; I just have some hunches.

Some of us had been working via PM's with the other "negotiating" characters as well as our GM "behind the scenes" trying to work this out and move it forward since others had expressed the desire to keep their PC's out of the negotiations for fear of sabotaging them with their lack of skills.

As for the commlink bit, I missed it in your post completely and since MJ had asked Toturi how Cloud communicated, I glossed over your suggestion for being open with those details.

As for Willow, she's got AR gloves and a subvocal mic. Hopefully that clears things up from my end. As for what she will or won't do, that's up for negotiation.

Personally I thought MJ's post was quite in character for Gabe, and humerous to boot. biggrin.gif
Mister Juan
QUOTE (De Badd Ass)
QUOTE (Mister Juan @ Dec 3 2006, 01:22 AM)
oh man... thats just nasty

You were the one bragging about your strange sense of humor. I have a feeling that the toad comment went right over your head.

Try walking around all day in the world of U-mans, your eyes three feet off the ground, without thinking like a ferenghi.

hahahahhahahhahah
I'm having tons of mental images that will keep me up at night wink.gif
Vegas
QUOTE (De Badd Ass)
QUOTE (Konsaki @ Dec 3 2006, 01:27 AM)
Hmm... since I think Hikaru is the only female here who can see astral, she could always run up and yank him away, saying something to the effect of "you dont know what you're doing"

It is possible that Willow is hiding that particular talent.

Nope, not hiding that particular one...

But if we're thinking Gabe's out of line for hitting on the hotel staff, Hikaru grabbing him away suddenly isn't gonna look any better nyahnyah.gif

Unless it's played out like a lover's quarrel *runs*
Konsaki
QUOTE (Vegas)
QUOTE (De Badd Ass @ Dec 2 2006, 11:32 PM)
QUOTE (Konsaki @ Dec 3 2006, 01:27 AM)
Hmm... since I think Hikaru is the only female here who can see astral, she could always run up and yank him away, saying something to the effect of "you dont know what you're doing"

It is possible that Willow is hiding that particular talent.

Nope, not hiding that particular one...

But if we're thinking Gabe's out of line for hitting on the hotel staff, Hikaru grabbing him away suddenly isn't gonna look any better nyahnyah.gif

Unless it's played out like a lover's quarrel *runs*

To be truthfull, I thought that a few of you might think that when I posted that. Though we, as players, know there is nothing going on (at least thats what I think), it doesnt mean that Ms Green and the other characters know. nyahnyah.gif
toturi
QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Dec 3 2006, 12:38 PM)
The scene was actually proceeding at a good pace with Toturi/Cloud talking with Hilary Green when I deliberately asked Toturi to pause ICLy to allow everyone a chance to provide input. There are 9 players and I want every to have an oppurtunity to participate in this critical scene. Any pause or slowness in this scene was at my request. If I hadn't asked for the pause this negotiation would be long over and Gabe would have never had the oppurtunity to act at all.

My post was meant as the pause button. No offense meant to the player, but the "don't smirk" comment was to convey the seriousness of the situation. Until we decide what to do, may I suggest we leave off posting ICly?

MJ, are you ready to post? DR, can we proceed? Or do you want us to wait?
MK Ultra
QUOTE (De Badd Ass @ Dec 3 2006, 07:09 AM)
Fooey asked Gabe to interrupt the negotiations, to give everyone a chance to participate. I (and he) wasn't aware that you asked Toturi the same thing. Everyone had an opportunity to respond; in fact, everyone made at least one post. Most people bowed out of the process without providing any input. They didn't say what they wanted, or what they would or wouldn't do. They didn't even reveal their commlink use. I haven't figured out why; I just have some hunches.

I donīt know if you count me among the ones not posting an oppinion, since I rejected actively participating in the discussion. I think I have said what my PC would like to gain from this negotiation. I did post my com-status and was still waiting for a definit post (IC or OOC), that there would be a com-conference, so Si Wu could reley his opinion to the negotiators.

BTW, I donīt know what would Fooey make to think that Si Wu is not mundane.

Mister Juan

I think there are quiet a few pc that would interrupt Gabe in his little flirt - Si Wu among them.
Itīs up to DireRadiant, how we handle this. Since there was no com-conference yet, I think it isnīt unrealistic for Gabe, to start his avances an escalate the situation somewhat - I think he wouldnīt have come that far, before beeing interrupted, but thatīs a flaw of the medium and I donīt think it is stretched too far here.

ICly my PC would probably interrupt at approximately the following point:

QUOTE
“I’m not too sure what plans you have for the night, Miss Green, but I’m pretty sure they don’t include wasting your time here. What’s done is done, and nothing will change it.” he said in a rather clear Cantonese.

Chewing unceremoniously a few seconds


By saying something like: "Ms. Green, may I ask you to give us a moment of privacy, please?" slightly raising the voice, to get her attention and cut Gabeīs conversation.
If noone else would react even earlyer, or DireRadiant decides we are handling this another way, Iīd put up an IC post tomorrow night.
De Badd Ass
QUOTE (MK Ultra @ Dec 3 2006, 10:24 AM)
BTW, I donīt know what would Fooey make to think that Si Wu is not mundane.

Actually, I don't have you as awakened on my cheat sheet. I just have you as a Martial artist. I may have jumped to conclusions, as there are three other adepts in the group.

"Best keep shut and thought a fool, than open mouth and remove all doubt".
-Honorable Father Chan
Konsaki
IIRC, the old man is a human looking goblinized ork martial artist who suppliments his fighting power by being a Physical Adept.
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