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Poit-Narf
So, to make sure I understand: I give Kas 4k real nuyen.gif and 10k fake nuyen.gif, and he gives me back 10k real nuyen.gif.

What's the catch?
merashin
someone might eventually catch on, or catch kaz, and then we are f'ed
Poit-Narf
But, isn't the point of charging a 40% fee to assume the risk of getting caught through his cronies? That is, Kaz risks minions he doesn't care about, and he gets money in return.
Matsci
That, and Time. And that before you guys didn't know anyone who could launder money.

Remeber you kidnapped the accountant, and blackmailed him.
Poit-Narf
Hehe, right, I remember the accountant.

So what's the turnaround time on Kaz's Money Laundering Service, Inc.?
Matsci
QUOTE (Poit-Narf @ Feb 18 2009, 04:03 PM) *
Hehe, right, I remember the accountant.

So what's the turnaround time on Kaz's Money Laundering Service, Inc.?


I'll say about 1 week for 5000 nuyen.gif
Dark Talon
Might as well launder all of it. We've had it forever and never used it, and we got a big expense coming up, so we might as well use the time to do it right and pay the boat off.
Poit-Narf
Hmmm? I"m not talking about the rating 1 fake nuyen.gif we've had for a long time. I'm talking about the rating 6 fake nuyen.gif that's being made by my monkeys & a Forgery autosoft.
Matsci
QUOTE (Poit-Narf @ Feb 19 2009, 12:31 PM) *
Hmmm? I"m not talking about the rating 1 fake nuyen.gif we've had for a long time. I'm talking about the rating 6 fake nuyen.gif that's being made by my monkeys & a Forgery autosoft.


That's going to take hideously long. Rating 6 monkey + rating 4 auto soft = 10 dice
- 1 for 5000 nuyen.gif = 9 dice. Average 2.25 hits

Threshold : 144 Interval 1 day

Time 64 days.

There is also the 44.8% chance the monkeys Critically glitching in that time period, making the results unusable.

BTW: Garret, do you have a backup character?
Poit-Narf
QUOTE (Matsci @ Feb 19 2009, 04:15 PM) *
That's going to take hideously long. Rating 6 monkey + rating 4 auto soft = 10 dice
- 1 for 5000 nuyen.gif = 9 dice. Average 2.25 hits

Threshold : 144 Interval 1 day

Time 64 days.

There is also the 44.8% chance the monkeys Critically glitching in that time period, making the results unusable.

BTW: Garret, do you have a backup character?

Actually, making fake nuyen is Edit+Forgery. Edit 7 + Forgery 4 + 1 for using a computer optimized for the purpose = 12 dice base. Apply a -2 for doing it with 10k nuyen.gif at once, and +2 for one monkey aiding another (buying hits with 10 dice), it leaves me with a total of 12 dice for 2 monkeys. Buying hits = 3 dice, no glitches.

And actually, I've been working on a backup character this week. Why do you ask? nyahnyah.gif
Matsci
QUOTE (Poit-Narf @ Feb 19 2009, 05:23 PM) *
Actually, making fake nuyen is Edit+Forgery. Edit 7 + Forgery 4 + 1 for using a computer optimized for the purpose = 12 dice base. Apply a -2 for doing it with 10k nuyen.gif at once, and +2 for one monkey aiding another (buying hits with 10 dice), it leaves me with a total of 12 dice for 2 monkeys. Buying hits = 3 dice, no glitches.

And actually, I've been working on a backup character this week. Why do you ask? nyahnyah.gif


QUOTE
Profession autosofts are the equivalent of a single Technical or Knowledge skill. It allows a drone with the proper equipment and specs (tools or working arms) to perform the task, rolling Pilot + [Profession] for the test.


And monkeys cannot work together. They are too stupid. And Even if they buy hits, they still can glich.
Poit-Narf
So, to make sure I understand: When a roll is specified to NOT be Stat+Skill, a drone using a technical autosoft to make the roll overrides that and uses Pilot+autosoft rating instead?

And, uh... since when can monkeys not work together, and glitch when buying hits? They've been working together to do stuff since I made my character. I even asked you, when making my character, how it would work when my monkeys worked together on something.

And as for glitches, if they really can still glitch when buying hits, there's an easy way to solve that. "Hey Toast, can you please but Stability on these two nodes?"
Matsci
QUOTE (Poit-Narf @ Feb 20 2009, 07:03 AM) *
So, to make sure I understand: When a roll is specified to NOT be Stat+Skill, a drone using a technical autosoft to make the roll overrides that and uses Pilot+autosoft rating instead?

And, uh... since when can monkeys not work together, and glitch when buying hits? They've been working together to do stuff since I made my character. I even asked you, when making my character, how it would work when my monkeys worked together on something.

And as for glitches, if they really can still glitch when buying hits, there's an easy way to solve that. "Hey Toast, can you please but Stability on these two nodes?"


Since I am the GM, and am Reaching out at saying NO, you cannot mass manufacture Forged Nuyen, or else GOD will drop on your head like an angry hammer.
Dark Talon
QUOTE (Matsci @ Feb 20 2009, 09:13 AM) *
Since I am the GM, and am Reaching out at saying NO, you cannot mass manufacture Forged Nuyen, or else GOD will drop on your head like an angry hammer.


That could be fun smile.gif
Matsci
QUOTE (Dark Talon @ Feb 20 2009, 12:20 PM) *
That could be fun smile.gif


No, it would be a TPK. After all, what do you expect to happen when a Fiat falls on you from orbit.
Poit-Narf
QUOTE (Matsci @ Feb 20 2009, 09:13 AM) *
Since I am the GM, and am Reaching out at saying NO, you cannot mass manufacture Forged Nuyen, or else GOD will drop on your head like an angry hammer.

OK, OK, I won't use my second nexus to make fake nuyen. Fake SINs & licenses, on the other hand - those are good, right?

But really, why were you asking if I had a backup character? nyahnyah.gif
merashin
critical glitching in the nuyen making process and then accidental laundering could result in someone in the law enforcement catching on
Rad
QUOTE (Matsci @ Feb 14 2009, 03:01 PM) *
You could try and do the invensting yourself, but the people a Brokerage X might have higher skills than you.


Well, at least having that knowledge skill would let me know about them and how to find them. I'll get to work on figuring out what I'm going to do with all that nuyen. Probably going to go with Brokerage X if I have enough left over after my 'ware overhaul. It's gonna' be expensive freeing up enough essence to cram a Rtg 3 move-by-wire system in there though.

By the way, thanks to everyone for coming to the office and finishing the run in the conference room. I've been wanting to do that since I started playing SR, so it made a great birthday present. biggrin.gif
Poit-Narf
Sorry for leaving early guys - I couldn't stay awake any longer. What'd I miss?
Rad
Eh, not sure precisely what happened before and what happened after you left--partly because I'm probably the only one of us who's still awake.

YAY INSOMNIA!

So, yeah.

Badass attacked me in melee, I had to burn edge to soak the damage, even with something like 13 hits on my parry roll. Then Reyas or whoever got possesed by that plant spirit and tore Badass in half. Lots of guys with guns showed up, we booked it to the drop pods and/or elevators and got the frag outta' there.
Matsci
BTW: How much is going to cost to fix the Skytrain, and does anyone have Aeronautical Mechanics?


Addition Fuel Tanks
Chameleon Coating
Concealed Armor 10
Flotation
Life Support Level 2
x2 Full Mechanical Arms
Signature Masking 6
Special Equipment: Signature Spoofing Equipment
Vehicular Tag Eraser
Weapon Turret: Reinforced, Internal, Turret Mounting a GE Vigilant Light Autocannon.

1500000
0001000
0030000
0010000
0060000
0060000
0008000
0060000
0005000
0007500
0010500
_______
1752000 nuyen.gif = Total Price of Plane

17520 nuyen.gif Per Box to repair. Availability of 18.

Goal Shift
Destroy Skytrain
Bankrupt Group Via Skytrain
Dark Talon
We can repair it piecemeal too. It'll just be a slow process. Think firefly nyahnyah.gif We set aside a certain amount each run to fix the skytrain (or we all pay for one box out of our huge con-orchid check). That'll at least get her nice and maneuverable again. She's got (I think, without looking) around 12-15 boxes of damage (one or the other). We really need to teach Toast (or our AI for when he's jumped into her) some martial arts to make use of those arms.

--

But yea, after you went to sleep. Rivera was possessed and tore bad ass in half. We had taken out half the team, so they called retreat and hauled ass to the roof. At the same time, the bridge to one of the other towers was full of their "Second team" who blew in the door and started to move in. Rivera basically took us and ran nyahnyah.gif Our blood splattered group would have set off the anti-crime sensors too, but we can turn invisible and went down to the parking garage instead of the street.

I had 1 hit box left after burning 2 edge on two attacks. Tom was really gunning for me nyahnyah.gif
Dark Talon
oh, and we got 6 karma for it.
Poit-Narf
Cool. I'm assuming Toast got that karma as well?

If I spent 10 karma on it, I could get Mechanic group 1. Then I'd roll 12 dice on whatever Mechanic checks we need. (Did I mention that Copperhead is absurdly smart?) Right now, I don't think I can spare that much karma. But soon, I may pick up that skill group.

As for the cost of repairing it, isn't it still covered under the Kond-Orchid expense account?

Also, if you need someone to repair the Skytrain, I do believe you guys happen to have your old mechanic as a contact. nyahnyah.gif
Matsci
QUOTE (Poit-Narf @ Feb 21 2009, 08:27 PM) *
Cool. I'm assuming Toast got that karma as well?

If I spent 10 karma on it, I could get Mechanic group 1. Then I'd roll 12 dice on whatever Mechanic checks we need. (Did I mention that Copperhead is absurdly smart?) Right now, I don't think I can spare that much karma. But soon, I may pick up that skill group.

As for the cost of repairing it, isn't it still covered under the Kond-Orchid expense account?

Also, if you need someone to repair the Skytrain, I do believe you guys happen to have your old mechanic as a contact. nyahnyah.gif


Didn't Doc Wheels leave some of his software lying around? I think you had a rating 4 Mechanics Autosoft for Aircraft. The AI could use it, which means he's throwing 12 dice too.
merashin
i've never really liked the plane actually
Poit-Narf
QUOTE (Matsci @ Feb 21 2009, 08:59 PM) *
Didn't Doc Wheels leave some of his software lying around? I think you had a rating 4 Mechanics Autosoft for Aircraft. The AI could use it, which means he's throwing 12 dice too.

Doc Wheels never had any Mechanic autosofts. Toast, however, has a drone with an Aeronautics Mechanic autosoft. We can just copy it to the AI (does the AI have a name, by the way?).
Matsci
QUOTE (Poit-Narf @ Feb 22 2009, 10:09 AM) *
Doc Wheels never had any Mechanic autosofts. Toast, however, has a drone with an Aeronautics Mechanic autosoft. We can just copy it to the AI (does the AI have a name, by the way?).


He goes by Knives. or a long number chain.
Dark Talon
QUOTE (Poit-Narf @ Feb 22 2009, 10:09 AM) *
Doc Wheels never had any Mechanic autosofts. Toast, however, has a drone with an Aeronautics Mechanic autosoft. We can just copy it to the AI (does the AI have a name, by the way?).


0110011101101111011011110110011001111001
Matsci
QUOTE (Dark Talon @ Feb 23 2009, 10:22 AM) *
0110011101101111011011110110011001111001


No, It's 65525
Poit-Narf
QUOTE (Matsci @ Feb 23 2009, 11:51 AM) *
No, It's 65525

So, 1111111111111111.
Poit-Narf
I might start calling him Integer Overflow.
merashin
playtesters wanted, so any of you guys want to?
Poit-Narf
QUOTE (merashin @ Feb 23 2009, 02:58 PM) *
playtesters wanted, so any of you guys want to?

Sounds fun to me.
merashin
the detailed and Well written review is what gets me, but otherwise i'd like to do it
edit: also, me and tom have already sent in emails for joining
Matsci
QUOTE (Poit-Narf @ Feb 23 2009, 01:13 PM) *
So, 1111111111111111.

No, 1111111111110101
He's a few bits short.
Poit-Narf
QUOTE (Matsci @ Feb 23 2009, 06:02 PM) *
No, 1111111111110101
He's a few bits short.

Hehe, I saw "655", and my mind mentally filled in "35" for the rest, by reflex. nyahnyah.gif
Poit-Narf
QUOTE (merashin @ Feb 23 2009, 05:09 PM) *
the detailed and Well written review is what gets me, but otherwise i'd like to do it
edit: also, me and tom have already sent in emails for joining

Do each of us have to send emails, or is Tom's (as the GM) enough?
Dark Talon
sentzorz
Matsci
So...

QUOTE
Hello,



I’m Jennifer Harding, Assistant Developer for SR. One of my many duties is coordinating the playtest groups.



(I apologize for the generic email. We have received far more interest than I expected, and in the interest of replying to everyone in a timely manner, I am sending out this general reply to you. But hey, at least you know you're all getting the same fair test... please do reply directly to me, not "to all." Thanks.)



We’ve received many applicants interested in joining our playtester pool. To be certain your group fits our needs, the following conditions must be met for you to be considered:



* A group of at least 3 players. Groups of 4 – 6 are preferred. Larger groups may be allowed under special circumstances.
* A stable group of players. Large groups with rotating players make it difficult for us to track feedback—some adventures will span multiple sessions.
* Meet at least 2 times a month. Groups who meet weekly are preferred.
* Play by the Rules As Written (RAW). Using optional rules presented in the core books is allowed, but must be noted on the playtest report.
* All players and GMs must sign and abide by a NDA.





To ensure that we choose those groups who will provide the best playtest feedback, I’m asking each interested group to “audition.� As we need playtesters who will give us feedback on both rules and adventures, I am including both in the audition.



To be clear, we will be expecting a certain level of commitment from playtesters. This translates to (a) regular, (b) timely and © clear playtest feedback on one or more books going through the playtesting process. Additionally, we will be asking you to participate by answering specific questions and voting on options posted as Polls on our playtest group.



One thing we don’t want is a report that boils down to "our group liked X" or "we disliked X." We're definitely looking for more in the way of constructive criticism and reports that are more comprehensive. Reports and notes should specify not only problem issues detected but offer up insight into why the group feels it is a problem and opinions on possible alternatives. Note that the same type of constructive feedback applies to material that your group singles out for positive rather than negative reasons. It's always good to know when you feel we got something right (and why).



Specific things that should accompany every report would be the names of the players, the group make up, and the player’s average experience. So, it would look something like this:



Bob’s Group (Combat-oriented, street-level campaign (400BP standard) based in LA)



Bob: GM

Janey (10 year experience): Gun-bunny adept, 35 total karma, gremlins negative quality.

Joey (2 yrs exp): Rat street-shaman, new character.

Jamie (3 yrs exp): Medic/Jane-of-all-skills, 100 total karma.

Jim-Bob (1 yr exp): Troll heavy-weapons spec (and provides great cover), 25 karma.



The GM is responsible for the majority of the report.



For adventures, a useful report would provide a summary of how the group played through it, a more detailed look at particular obstacles that they faced or places where the adventure had issues for them, unusual or novel ways they dealt with issues, any ‘game-breaking’ issues, etc, etc. We also want to hear what they enjoyed. Each player should also provide a brief write-up: 1 – 2 paragraphs that the GM can add onto the primary report.



For rules, reports can be done in a variety of ways. The important thing is to provide feedback that is useful.



Not useful:

“These rules confused us.�



Useful:

“When we created sample biodrones, we were not sure what skills riggers use while controlling them. A table listing actions and linked skills would be very useful. Also, the modifiers were very high; our normal dicepools of 10 ended up being (after modifiers) 2 – 4. The biodrones were quickly killed by the street-sam, with 2 hits of EX-EX blowing through the armor. We tried again, without the modifiers, and the biodrones lasted 5 combat rounds… long enough for backup security to arrive.�



Now, for the audition. Please submit two separate reports (one for the adventure and one for the rules).

* For rules, please playtest the Advanced Lifestyle Rules in Runners Companion.
* For the adventure, please playtest the following Mission adventure (free download: http://www.shadowrun4.com/missions/downloads/srm_201.php)



I will evaluate the submitted reports and issue invitations after receiving them. The sooner, the better… especially since I’ve received about 10 times more applications than I have positions open.



Thanks, and I look forward to seeing your reports!
Jennifer Harding


1. Plz Read through the Advanced Lifestyle rules, and shoot me an email of what you think about them, what could be improved, and such. I'll compile a report.
2. We will run paralement of Thieves on Friday. It shouldn't take long.

edit: Email is koboldbard(no)@(spam)gmail.com.
Poit-Narf
QUOTE (Matsci @ Feb 24 2009, 11:49 AM) *
2. We will run paralement of Thieves on Friday. It shouldn't take long.

Hehe, I've run that. nyahnyah.gif
Matsci
QUOTE (Poit-Narf @ Feb 24 2009, 12:42 PM) *
Hehe, I've run that. nyahnyah.gif


The trick is going to be which table rating to run it at. Dark Talon screws it to the Prime Runner end.

That and the Skytrain (File flight plan. Get flight plan checked. Adventure over. )
Poit-Narf
QUOTE (Matsci @ Feb 24 2009, 11:49 AM) *
1. Plz Read through the Advanced Lifestyle rules, and shoot me an email of what you think about them, what could be improved, and such. I'll compile a report.

Right now, I've got a brief listing of comments (good & bad) & questions about the lifestyle rules. On my way home, I'll actually playtest them (figuring out lifestyle benefits for a couple characters), then put it together & send it to you.
Poit-Narf
QUOTE (Matsci @ Feb 24 2009, 03:25 PM) *
The trick is going to be which table rating to run it at. Dark Talon screws it to the Prime Runner end.

That and the Skytrain (File flight plan. Get flight plan checked. Adventure over. )

Well, the Shadowrun Missions rules say to use the average party karma level to determine what tier to run the adventure at, right? If Dark Talon skews that too much, just use the median instead of the mean to calculate the average.

As for the Skytrain, yeah, that would screw up the adventure. Make something up preventing us from using it. Say, the military is conducting aerial exercises that day, so flying would be a Very Bad Idea.
merashin
we could always go with the "it's down for repairs" route, considering the way the last run went
Dark Talon
If I need to throtle back on something I can. Say...I can only use my sword or my pistols with normals rounds for a run
Poit-Narf
By the way, how much in-game time is there between the fight at the airport and the massacre at the meeting? And, between the meeting and tonight's game?

And also, how much of that time are we getting paid 800 nuyen.gif/day?
Matsci
QUOTE (Poit-Narf @ Feb 27 2009, 09:19 AM) *
By the way, how much in-game time is there between the fight at the airport and the massacre at the meeting? And, between the meeting and tonight's game?

And also, how much of that time are we getting paid 800 nuyen.gif/day?


1 day, 0 time, all of it.
Poit-Narf
Oh, tonight's game is right after the meeting? Mmkay, thanks.
Dark Talon
Are we meeting at game theory or the office?
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