Herald of Verjigorm
Jan 3 2004, 01:50 AM
QUOTE (Kagetenshi) |
Fair enough. Now if only I could remember who told me they were related...
~J |
They aren't, but it makes for some very interesting games if you assume they are.
"I'm too close to use my big guns, right?"
"Yes"
"Do I have line of sight to the enemy pilot?"
"Yes"
"Stunbolt!"
Reaver
Jan 3 2004, 01:57 AM
QUOTE (GoldenAri) |
I don't have my SoNA with me but wasn't the Tir building something at Crater Lake (where there's some sort of mana draining going on)? |
There's supposedly a few buildings there. That maybe Tairngire's beginning of a kaer.
Kagetenshi
Jan 3 2004, 01:57 AM
I am so doing a crossover sometime.
~J
Siege
Jan 3 2004, 02:07 AM
QUOTE (Kagetenshi) |
I am so doing a crossover sometime.
~J |
I keep meaning to sit down and adapt the Battletech lifepath to SR but I never get around to it.
-Siege
toturi
Jan 3 2004, 02:21 AM
QUOTE (Siege) |
QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Jan 3 2004, 01:57 AM) | I am so doing a crossover sometime.
~J |
I keep meaning to sit down and adapt the Battletech lifepath to SR but I never get around to it.
-Siege
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Well, cyber-ER PPCs anyone? Or rigged Mechs? Kai Allard Liao eat your heart out!
GoldenAri
Jan 3 2004, 02:26 AM

mmmm...Horrors the size of jump ships...
toturi
Jan 3 2004, 02:41 AM
QUOTE (GoldenAri) |
mmmm...Horrors the size of jump ships... |
I issue a batchall to Verjigorm for a Trial of Possession for Terra!
The free birth scum of a Horror will taste the full fury of the might of the Clans!
Siege
Jan 3 2004, 03:08 AM
Hah! Before I inadvertently invoke the presence of Hero...
ShadowHammer 40k!
The mil-spec armor does kinda look Marine armor...

Wanna do up numbers on bolt guns?
-Siege
Traks
Jan 3 2004, 07:36 AM
QUOTE (Herald of Verjigorm) |
The physical Horrors could usually be killed by anyting that can kill a human. I never disputed technologies effects at killing those pathetic creatures, I have been saying that the dangerous ones will not even be slowed by nukes. |
Yeah, it seems people will have to use large robots who fight with horrors and after that recreate a new world.
Just couldn't resist myself
GunnerJ
Jan 3 2004, 02:42 PM
QUOTE (Traks) |
Yeah, it seems people will have to use large robots who fight with horrors and after that recreate a new world. |
toturi
Jan 3 2004, 02:47 PM
Noticed that they all have weapon foci too...
Moonstone Spider
Jan 3 2004, 02:52 PM
'bout time this wound down. At least now we all agree (meta)Humans can take down the Horrors in direct combat, only the manipulators left to deal with.
Hmm, so if FAB-III is left running around everywhere and killing all astral forms what will the result for the World be?
As I see it it'd pretty much wipe out everything vampiric, which isn't too great a loss, and all the shapeshifters who don't make it inside a kaer, which is. It'd probably also do a number on the Awakened lands in Australia and South America.
Still compared with what a Scourge would do I think it's a good deal, and killing a majority of the horrors without any combat at all is hard to beat.
Austere Emancipator
Jan 3 2004, 02:58 PM
Are those EVAs supposed to be about 1.4 meters tall? Or why the hell does that
FN ACR that one on the left is carrying look so damn huge? And that has got to be one of the most ugly Desert Eagles I've seen with that one kneeling in front.
Lilt
Jan 3 2004, 03:09 PM
You are all forgetting metahuman-kind's ultimate tool against the horrors: The Face!
Ettiquette(Horror) 5(7) and Cultured Tailored Pheremones anyone?
Friends in high places (Verjigorm) to boot?
As everyone is a 100th grade initiate adept with centering, they have surely picked-up the ability to center on their social skills. Thus it should be possible to center against any Ettiquette penalty the nasty GM throws at you for not actually being a horror.
Don't forget an Ares ELD-AR weapon focus for marking people's auras...
Don't mind us humans, we're horrors, Honest!
GoldenAri
Jan 3 2004, 05:50 PM
QUOTE |
Ettiquette(Horror) 5(7) and Cultured Tailored Pheremones anyone? Friends in high places (Verjigorm) to boot? As everyone is a 100th grade initiate adept with centering, they have surely picked-up the ability to center on their social skills. Thus it should be possible to center against any Ettiquette penalty the nasty GM throws at you for not actually being a horror.
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And the fun thing is there is a precident for it in Earthdawn.
QUOTE |
FAB-III is left running around everywhere and killing all astral forms what will the result for the World be?
As I see it it'd pretty much wipe out everything vampiric, which isn't too great a loss, and all the shapeshifters who don't make it inside a kaer, which is. It'd probably also do a number on the Awakened lands in Australia and South America. |
The only thing I worry about if FAB being corrupted, kid of like the brilliant idea of using a Metal Elemental (they're tough after all). Also, FAB would do a number on dragons, so I can see were they would take steps to not have the world blanketted with it.
Shockwave_IIc
Jan 3 2004, 05:54 PM
Not only that would it not feed of the wards/ protection of the Kaer?
Traks
Jan 3 2004, 08:22 PM
We find pleasure in misery of others

Nah, I guess those robots were about 4-5 meters tall, my guess.
Doesn't make them more effective. And not that mechas could be effective ever.
Probably Horrors can't assimilate wards placed against them so easily. It is directly opposed energy, so they must twist it and then eat. Should be long process.
Reaver
Jan 3 2004, 08:46 PM
QUOTE (GoldenAri) |
QUOTE | Ettiquette(Horror) 5(7) and Cultured Tailored Pheremones anyone? Friends in high places (Verjigorm) to boot? As everyone is a 100th grade initiate adept with centering, they have surely picked-up the ability to center on their social skills. Thus it should be possible to center against any Ettiquette penalty the nasty GM throws at you for not actually being a horror.
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 And the fun thing is there is a precident for it in Earthdawn. QUOTE | FAB-III is left running around everywhere and killing all astral forms what will the result for the World be?
As I see it it'd pretty much wipe out everything vampiric, which isn't too great a loss, and all the shapeshifters who don't make it inside a kaer, which is. It'd probably also do a number on the Awakened lands in Australia and South America. |
The only thing I worry about if FAB being corrupted, kid of like the brilliant idea of using a Metal Elemental (they're tough after all). Also, FAB would do a number on dragons, so I can see were they would take steps to not have the world blanketted with it.
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Yes. Massive FAB clouds would destroy the wards used to protect the safe havens.
Herald of Verjigorm
Jan 3 2004, 09:06 PM
QUOTE (Traks) |
We find pleasure in misery of others  Nah, I guess those robots were about 4-5 meters tall, my guess. Doesn't make them more effective. And not that mechas could be effective ever. Probably Horrors can't assimilate wards placed against them so easily. It is directly opposed energy, so they must twist it and then eat. Should be long process. |
As someone who actually watched that series (and two of the endings, the nonsense one and the stuff blows up one), those "robots" are more in the range 50-60 meters tall.
Traks
Jan 3 2004, 09:47 PM
Ah, really. It was so long ago that I do not remember. It isn't one of my favorites, too. So much for lame excuses.
I should repeat myself that mecha idea by itself is totally worthless.
Advanced combat suits (with Windows 3008 installed) are much more practical and cheaper.
Fortune
Jan 3 2004, 10:24 PM
QUOTE (Reaver) |
Yes. Massive FAB clouds would destroy the wards used to protect the safe havens. |
Assuming that in 3000 years metahumanity doesn't develop an FAB specifically attuned to Horrors.
Hasaku
Jan 3 2004, 11:06 PM
QUOTE |
I've definately seen a discussion, either in shadowtalk, or on these board (not recently though) about whether mana levels are rising and falling across the whole of the universe at the same time, or just locally. The former seem more likely, but given the distances and travel times involved, interstellar Horrors getting a bit off topic.
If mana levels rise everywhere at the same time, the sourge would happen on all inhabited planets. After all there is an inexhaustible supply of them. |
This is from a few pages back and sort of on a tangent, but I read that far and had the urge to reply, so forgive me if this has been said already.
I've been reading a lot of hard sci-fi lately, and that seems like a good explanation for the Feynman Paradox. Basically it states that if life arises so easily, and there are so many places in the galaxy for it to do so, and the galaxy is so old, why haven't any alien civilizations spread this far? Think about it. It would only take one race, just one space-faring species with an eye to exploration, and even at sublight speeds they would be covering the galaxy by now. We should see life everywhere. Where are they?
The recurring scourge could explain this, if it's a universe-wide phenomenon. This may not be the 6th age; it may be the 6 millionth age, but we've only been around long enough to be aware of the last 3 cycles. Of course, with typical human arrogance, we assume that we actually matter in any way to the horrors - that they specifically scourge us, on our planet, because we're special.
Just something that popped into my head.
Austere Emancipator
Jan 3 2004, 11:16 PM
QUOTE |
Of course, with typical human arrogance, we assume that we actually matter in any way to the horrors - that they specifically scourge us, on our planet, because we're special. |
Unlike the Horrors, which don't need arrogance because they are a million times more powerful than anything that could ever be created anywhere in the multiverse?
It certainly might have slowed down the progress of some civilizations. On the other hand, it might only have speeded up the progress of some.
GunnerJ
Jan 4 2004, 01:59 AM
QUOTE (Herald of Verjigorm) |
As someone who actually watched that series (and two of the endings, the nonsense one and the stuff blows up one), those "robots" are more in the range 50-60 meters tall. |
Thanks, I thought people were joking twhen they suggested 3 meter tall EVAs. Surely, I thought, this is a large enough bastion of nerditude that we've all seen Evangelion, right?

I may have to stop reading these threads. All this talk of giant, bizzare, demigodly invaders popping out of nowhere is giving me evil thoughts about implementing SR rules for Eva piloting.
Herald of Verjigorm
Jan 4 2004, 05:29 AM
QUOTE (GunnerJ) |
I may have to stop reading these threads. All this talk of giant, bizzare, demigodly invaders popping out of nowhere is giving me evil thoughts about implementing SR rules for Eva piloting. |
Go ahead and write them, just be sure to include the "accidental assimilation" aspect.
Kagetenshi
Jan 4 2004, 05:33 AM
And include something that only allows them to be piloted by angsty early teens.
~J
GunnerJ
Jan 4 2004, 05:54 AM
SHUT UP SHUT UP ALL OF YOU ARG SO EASY TO APPLY IMMUNITY TO NORMAL WEAPONS RULES AS A-T FIELDS WHY???
Herald of Verjigorm
Jan 4 2004, 05:58 AM
Because the Horrors have already won.
Kagetenshi
Jan 4 2004, 06:10 AM
Central Dogma says otherwise.
~J
Traks
Jan 4 2004, 12:07 PM
Yeah, and make rolling a pilot more of Traveller - so you can randomly get bitchiness or being quiet sucker before having a mecha to pilot.
Gunner, your pain is just feeding this thread to live on

Ah, I liked macross 7, where there were definitely horrors and they were beaten through human stupidity and ignorance. Those are our great assets.
If horrors win, world ceases to exist. But SR and ED worlds exist, as their creators think. So horrors have not won.
Moonstone Spider
Jan 4 2004, 11:58 PM
I don't think FAB vs. wards will be a serious problem for two reasons.
1: FAB is dual natured but it has to follow it's physical body, it's not like guardian vines than can travel astrally a short distance. This means all you have to do is put an environmental seal on the building plus overpressure for any weak spots, and then put the wards inside that.
2: Yeah, if you get a massive structural breach you'll have a problem with the FAB getting into the holes and eating your wards. But if the world is blanketed in FAB and anything capable of astral travel or perception dies within hours or at most a couple of days of going astral, why do you need wards anyway? It's not like there's going to be a big troop of astral Horrors around at that point to ward against.
As an aside that's also a weakness in the FAB-III defense, the horrors can have humans build them FAB shelters to hide in from the FAB-III. But the irony of horrors having to build Kaers on earth to stay safe is somewhat amusing.
Herald of Verjigorm
Jan 5 2004, 12:25 AM
1) this thread was rolling merrily off topic, don't dare get it any closer to its topic.
2) the corruptability of FAB3 has been debated. The chance for mutations that lead to different properties is there as well. Making all human life dependant on a bateria not mutating to any great degree is a risky proposition.
3) no one really cares about the answer anymore, just go get a drink.
Kagetenshi
Jan 5 2004, 12:49 AM
But the drinks are fueling the debate!
~J
Hasaku
Jan 5 2004, 01:48 AM
If the pressure seals are outside the wards, all it takes is one horror to materialize outside the kaer and tear a few holes in them before it dies. It's not like they're depleting their population with suicide attacks or anything...
John Campbell
Jan 5 2004, 03:09 AM
Yeah, 'cause everyone knows that Horrors are big on selflessly giving their lives for the cause.
Herald of Verjigorm
Jan 5 2004, 04:52 AM
QUOTE (Kagetenshi) |
But the drinks are fueling the debate!
~J |
Get a stronger drink.
kevyn668
Jan 5 2004, 04:59 AM
QUOTE |
Herald of Verjigorm Posted on Jan 4 2004, 05:58 AM QUOTE (GunnerJ) WHY???
Because the Horrors have already won. |
Guess I missed that memo...
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