It's indicative of what I don't like about how 4e's metaplot has been handled -- focused exclusively on down-and-dirty street-level play and ignoring those of us who like the IEs and dragons and Deus turning the Archology into a horror show that would may the dude from Saw gag and Dunkelzahn's will and all that other stuff. I'm missing that in 4e and I want it back.

IMO, the last good book for Shadowrun I've read was Dragons of the Sixth World. That's not saying much though because the only competition is Emergence.

I mean, we are talking about a forum that, over all, has a policy that one is not supposed to make your characters at the 400 BP, but at 300, and restrict availability to 8 or even 6 to make it "street"
because the BBB is "too powerful for street level play."

This is false. Dave never had access to the checkbook -- we actually argued for him to have an operational budget as the operations manager, but Loren refused. Dave also only had access to some invoices, not the full books.



AFAIK, this is also false. I can't speak to IMR's books before Catalyst was formed, but the graphs show that Loren started making big draws right after Catalyst was formed. So Catalyst started off with simultaneous missing money and unpaid invoices.

For the record, I am no apologist for Dave. I'll be blunt and say that Dave and I had very serious differences during our time together at Catalyst. I am just correcting the facts here.

I have to agree there. However, as we all know, if there are ever any hints of that, the majority of Dumpshock rises in revolt and flames against the writers. I mean, we are talking about a forum that, over all, has a policy that one is not supposed to make your characters at the 400 BP, but at 300, and restrict availability to 8 or even 6 to make it "street"
because the BBB is "too powerful for street level play."

I agree that I would love some more cool stuff like Dunk's Will, but I have to accept that all that is in the past, because Dumpshock doesn't like it.

I thought the fanbase wasnt the problem at all and it was all cgl??? Wasnt that what you people were saying just a few days ago??? Or does that not count becaus of the persons postcount back then???

Excuse me? What do you mean by "you people"? Are you meaning Fans of Both Battletech and Shadowrun? Are
you meaning Pagans? Are you meaning hotel workers? Are you meaning Americans?

Excuse me? What do you mean by "you people"? Are you meaning Fans of Both Battletech and Shadowrun? Are you meaning Pagans? Are you meaning hotel workers? Are you meaning Americans?

Guess he is referring to Trollman and his fellows mainly. Talk about barking up the wrong tree.

No. I mean the people in this thread. When someone said that the fanbase is becomin rude and meanspirited and condiscending they got lambasted for it and yelled at for their postcount. Now someone else says basicly the same thing but with a high postcount and everyone is agreeing??? I guess it just proves the point that much more.

No. I mean the people in this thread. When someone said that the fanbase is becomin rude and meanspirited and condiscending they got lambasted for it and yelled at for their postcount. Now someone else says basicly the same thing but with a high postcount and everyone is agreeing??? I guess it just proves the point that much more.

People like you telling other people to tone down post less and chill??? Thats hilarius.

Every place has its trigger phrases and hot buttons, and Dumpshock isn't an exception to that rule. Right about now, I'd imagine Loren Coleman would be one, but I'm sure cybered vampires, the Dragonheart, Leonardo, and plenty of other things will trigger similar reactions here.

And I never did get my Cod Wars IV between Gaeatronics and Thule.

Sub-forum? They have a whole BOOK now! Can we please not discuss the baby-eaters, please.

I wanted a small-scale conflict between a minor 6th world nation and an AA-rated megacorp - the sort of thing that could go on in the background news posts and JackPoint login pages and stuff for multiple sourcebooks, provide hooks for mercenary runs, that sort of thing. I'd just been reading Cod: A Biography of the Fish that Changes the World by Mark Kurlansky, so I was sort of focusing on the Cod Wars - the three incredibly low-key conflicts between Iceland and Great Britain about fishing rights. The basic plot I'd come up with is that Gaeatronics had bought a small island off the coast of the Thule Protectorate (Iceland) with the intent to build a geothermal power plant; the local officials objected because the geothermal tap and/or waste runoff would change the ecological balance of the surrounding waters, effecting fishing and other activities as well as causing possible fallout on the astral plane. Heated dialogue from Gaeatronics (who try to go over the local official's head to the Trans-Polar Aleut government), and the chilly demeanor of the Thule natives lead to a blockade of the island, which prompts several small incidents (blockade running, sabotage, a helicopter getting shot down by a surface-to-air-missile from a Thule fishing boat, etc.) until the situation escalates into an undeclared open conflict.

That...didn't happen. I wanted it to happen. I even included a brief bit in my TNN draft that was designed for the Tir elves to put pressure on Thule to relinquish certain claims on the sunken islands in exchange for weapons. However, other war-based plotlines gained greater prominence in the popular imagination.

A Carp war would've been funnier

A Carp war would've been funnier

We don't hear nearly enough about Europe.

Since this is a CGL speculation thread, we hear enough. Did we not get a report from Nordcon?

BlueMax
/missing the point

• Immortal Elves
• Great Dragons
• Metaplot
• Street vs Hero Centric Campaign
• LLC/IMR/CGL and Freelancers
• TOPPS License Renewal
• Lone Star Cops, Unicorns and the Tiger Eyes Belly-Button Ring
• SR4 Rules Issues
• Hacker vs. Technomancer
• Magician / Adept / Mystic Adept
• Netcat and Slamm-O!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

-M&P

You forgot Dikoted Ally Spirits and Swordfish Mustardball.

You forgot Dikoted Ally Spirits and Swordfish Mustardball.

For some reason I really want to name a character Swordfish Mustardball...

Great Dragon Trollman.

We did?
Where?

We did?
Where?

"Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 14% of people know that."

The basic plot I'd come up with is that Gaeatronics had bought a small island off the coast of the Thule Protectorate (Iceland) ...

Lake Stevens, Washington June 10th, 2010

Sandstorm and WildFire – Setting the Gaming Industry Ablaze

Isn’t it strange how you can sit down at a business meeting, and as soon as the zombies start crawling out of the fields of wildflowers, the ties come off and people start having fun? Business in the gaming industry should be about having fun. It should be about making awesome games that people love to play. And, of course, it should be about making good business decisions, even when faced with the rise of unmentionable gods and invading hordes of aliens.

That’s why we at Sandstorm are delighted to announce that we’re joining forces with WildFire to bring a great lineup of games to the gaming industry. From their award winning CthulhuTech game world to new, fun (and rather addictive) games—like Poo—currently available or in production, WildFire has an ambitious plan for future releases. With Sandstorm’s capitalization and production management services, it’s a match made in heaven. Or in monster-strewn hell, depending on your taste. From the moment we joined forces, we’ve hit the ground running to bring you the games you’ve been itching for.

Stop by and visit us at Origins and GenCon to see the new lineup of coming CthulhuTech books, play a game of Poo, or just chat a bit about monsters, mayhem, and the future.

WildFire LLC and Sandstorm Productions LLC. The Storm is building.

*****

WildFire LLC is the creative mastermind behind the ENnie Award-winning and Origins Award nominated CthulhuTech roleplaying line, as well as the Origins Award nominated Poo: the Card Game. They will also be releasing the Chthonian Stars roleplaying line for the Traveller roleplaying game later this year, a Lovecraftian sci-fi exploration set in the near future. The creative partners at WildFire have nearly a half century of industry experience behind them designing roleplaying, miniatures, and casual games. Their planned release schedule over the coming years contains several exciting new product lines that are sure to set the market on fire!

Sandstorm Productions LLC is a Kansas based capitalization and production company dedicated to partnering with premium studios to bring the best games to market. In addition to WildFire, their partner studios include Closet Nerd Games and Posthuman Studios. Sandstorm assists with the capitalization and production of a wide range of gaming products, from classic RPGs to family and educational board games.

Take away: Sandstorm LLC is now publishing for Wildfire. Perhaps more interestingly, Sansdtorm's kicker text at the end of the press release mentions a partnership with Posthuman. Sandstorm put out a press release about Closet Nerd earlier and the substance of this PR is about Wildfire, but there's not been a full blown statement regarding Posthuman. This is essentially a backdoor announcement that they'll also be publishing Eclipse Phase. Or a massive screwup. But they're probably publishing Eclipse Phase.