Method, thanks for the heads-up on the maps for Ghost Cartels.

I picked up Seattle 2072, Vice AND Midnight at I-CON 29 a few weeks ago. If there additional maps, entries, ect. for these books, please post the link!

HappyDaze: yeah long term. I just gotta knock out a quick 5-7 years of residency in Texas first.

Jason: does that mean playtesters will get some War! action soon? If I could get that before my game this weekend that would be great!

They surely were. At least one gaming store in Paris, France, had them on shelves about two weeks ago or so.

-personally- what I'm looking forward to is Runner's Companion returning to a reasonable price- its sold out eveywhere, and I've seen it being sold from $50-$150, while everything else stays a normal price

Just get the PDF, it's not a book you're going to need to reference very often at the table.

I already bought the PDF, I want hard copy.

Will there be War! playtesting? Yes! Will it happen by this weekend? No!

Jason H.

Next weekend?

BlueMax

Damn! Well it was worth a try.

Don't push me.

Jason H.

/me pulls Jason.

BlueMax
/letter of the rule?
// or spirit of the rule?

War! Huh, yeah
What is it good for?
I don't know
The dev won't talk about it

Sorry, just couldn't resist...

Yeah, I managed to score mine for about $35 and considered myself lucky. Great book too BTW.

One of my friends found it at a B&N too, lucky sod, if I had extra money atm I'd go hunting around.

Found mine on Ebay with a buy it now. there were 5 at that price. I debated for about 20 minutes. there were 2 left when I grabbed mine (( and got hell from the wife in the morning)) All 5 of them sold out in under 2 hours.

Dragon Girl,

Battleshop had at least one copy at their office, which is shipping out to me today. You might want to check with them if they have more stock in house.

i don't know what your problems are all over the world, but i think i know 3 shops that i can just walk into and walk out with the book in either english or german for about 20 to 30 bucks . .

Check online. The places that have it, start around $50 and go up over $100 quick.

Low supply and High demand I guess. I have the PDF and an Ipad to read it on, but I collect the books themselves. I was happy to get mine for $35

I'm not saying thats a bad idea but... Wasn't that part of the Cthuhlutech fiasco? Granted in that case CGL had been asked to stop.

Well, let me clarify a little. If books are going to come out, I need to be working on them. If I decide to wait until the license situation has been completely clarified, then once it actually is clarified I will have created a gap in the line of upcoming products, which I don't want. Management is doing their part to retain the license; my part is to ensure that we have product to release if (or when, depending on your current level of optimism) the license is retained.

Jason H.

Funny. I can find the Runner's Companion around here quite easily, but it is the Shadowrun Force Unleashed book that I'm dying to find and don't want to be charged over price for...

Anyways. Yay on the LE street date news!

Do you mean Starwars Force Unleashed book? If so I have a spare copy sitting on shelf. If you need it man send me a pm. I'll work with ya.

Damn. Sorry, mistyped.

Not to derail..

Per an email I just received my SR4LE status was just update to "Processing".

If nothing else, I'd say that puts the whole "all the Battlecorps data went home with so-and-so on a personal laptop" rumor to rest.

I'll just be glad to get through the next month or two and settle the IP issues so we can get back to speculating about who's going to piss and moan the most over future releases.

A-Freaking-Men

Or speculating about that....oh what was it...that data haven thing......

Huh? WHat? Nothing to see here, move along now. (The DDH sitch makes me mad)

What does this post from RPG.net's thread mean to the current situation? (I'm not registered there and don't really feel the need to just to ask this question.)

How deep does the rabbit hole go, indeed?

Without PACER access on my part, what it would seem to mean is that some of IMR's creditors are filing for Chapter 7 bankruptcy. This is, IIRC, the kind of bankruptcy in which a company is liquidated, not reorganized. It's also the chapter for most types of personal bankruptcy.

It don't look good, I tell you that...

Me too

Is there any chance of this Bull?

In some form or another, yes. I just don't know when. It's been out of my hands for a while, though I'm tempted to just throw it up as one bigass RTF document (Hey, it worked for the early Shadowrun Supplementals. Hell, Adam was even nice enough to do the first couple issues as a pure TXT option mainly for luddites like me who were operating on antique computers back then ).

Bull

You're lucky, still no word on my order.

Second that motion!

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?p=12042182#post12042182

This is a slightly better link, as it takes you to the trhead rather than just the individual post.

Droog on RPGnet has been reporting a lot of the same material as Frank, though this is new and not something Frank posted first. I don't know who he is or where he's getting his information from (Unlike Frank, he's not really waving any flags around, bragging about having inside secret scoops, or making too many baseless assumptions off the information. He mostly just posting things with a short statement and letting it go), but according to him, it's three of IMR's "many investors".

Others would be better suited to really analyzing this than me, but basically it just sounds like a move to force CGL's hand a bit, wanting to recoup their investment and get out. IMR/CGL should have the opportunity to respond (as Droog points out) and my guess is that there should be a point for some arbitration and potentially the ability to simply buy out the investors, assuming the money is there.

<shrug>

Either way, I don't think this will really impact things much anytime soon. This sort of thing takes quite a while to shake down, and we should know the status of the license before then, which is the only thing that really matters to us as fans.

Bull

Mostly my fault.... the final stuff was in late Feb, and I just haven't worked on it. New job amongst other things has pretty much ground me to a halt. I still have my computer upgrades I promised myself I'd install after I finished sitting there waiting for me to finish it

Would love to hear an analysis from Mind&Pen.

Would love to hear the official response from JM Hardy.

Would love to hear the inside scoop from ketjack.

Of course none of the above has any obligation to do anything.

As a general question, would the unpaid freelancers also be considered creditors?

EDIT: Thanks for the updated link & analysis of the poster.

IANAL, or even remotely trained in bankruptcy law...And this should in no way be construed as legal advice...

But. As I understand it...Yes. However, they'd fall pretty much last in line.

I think so, yeah. I believe in this case, "creditor" is "anyone IMR owes money to."

[/edit]Bugger. Penta beat me.

I'm afraid I don't know anything about this. If I find out anything, I'll pass it along.

Jason H.

Ok, so in theory, the Chapter 7 filing may not be that big a deal. More information has been posted elsewhere, and while they're legal documents apparently available publicly if you know where to look, they contain names and addresses and the like, and that makes me really uncomfortable sharing. So I won't. Especially since as far as I know, Wildfire LLC is the only one that's mentioned anything about this publicly (and I'm less uncomforatable talking about a company than I am individuals).

Anyways, long and short of it is that it's WIldfire and two individuals, and the nature of the amounts are a Loan, Services rendered, and Royalties. Wildfire is the Royalties one. The total amount for all three is under $60,000.

60K is a sizable amount, but not insurmountable. So my question is, if anyone knows more about the financial laws, could IMR basically pay them off by meeting their owed amounts at this point, ending the filing, or can the attempt to force the issue through (at which point, if the Wikipedia page on Chapter 7 is to be believed, a mediator steps in, if the claim is judged valid).

I dunno, it really seems that my first assessment was the correct one. Basically, some folks attempting to force CGLs hand and guarantee they see some recompense.

<shrug> M&P? I think at this point we've determined you're the only one on here qualified to comment on these areas

Bull

Many thanks!

Also not a lawyer, but while we wait for M&P I have more experience with business to business collections than I care to. In my experience (far out side this industry), usually the contract governs the collections process. I.E. if you fail to pay, we will collect via method X (and usually you have to pay for method X). There are so many alternative methods to collect, all of which would generally have a greater and quicker chance of returning actual money. I.E. mediation, collections agencies, etc. This chapter 7 actions just seems a bit bizarre.

Pure baseless conjecture: it seems like maybe there's some bad blood in play. The timing of this chapter 7 action is suspect. In other words, if CGL owes me money, I want them to stay in business so they can pay me. If Topps performs a standard due diligence on the corporation and principal owners (again no idea how this works in RPG industry, but pretty standard for franchisees), they're going to see any liens or bankruptcy actions. This makes them less likely to retain the license, less likely to stay in business, and less likely to be able to pay me. Now, if I hate someone at CGL's guts and I want to see them fail regardless of what it costs me, they I want to get this on the public record for all to see. Heck, some franchise contracts can be instantly voided in the event of a bankruptcy filing.

As I said, this is pure baseless conjecture, but at first glance this doesn't pass the sniff test.

That was one of my first thoughts as well, but I really want to stay out of baseless accusations and speculation myself, so... <shrug> There may be a lot more we don't know here, on either side of this mess. Hell, maybe it's just something as stupid as "Someone got bad advice from their lawyer". I dunno.

*sigh* 3 weeks. 3 Weeks is how long CGL has to deal with the filing of this. And just over 3 weeks is the license deadline. I guess we'll know more then, one way or another, and we can all stop arguing. (Yeah, right)

Bull

QFT
At least we can stop arguing about real life and start arguing about the relative omnipotence of dragons, whether or not a speeding vehicle should be the most effective attack in the game, and if an emotitoy is balance breaking.

Uhh...Battleshop still has it listed in stock for $35. It can definitely be found online for cheaper than $50. I just bought it for a friend of Amazon (sorry Battleshop, but it's not like you don't get enough of my business already having gotten three copies through you, I just have lovely free shipping through them) for $25, basically new, less than four days ago.

Here it is in the battleshop.
Runner's Comp

Um..... maybe they got more stock in. but when I looked Amazon most defiantly did NOT have it. And the 'Amazon sellers' Started at about $45 and went up over 100.

In fact... That's exactly how it is now. I've seen this more than once when it comes up to pricing books. People go "Oh it's cheep on amazon" or something or 'Oh you're crazy you can get it cheaper than that" with out looking. Cheepest one on Amazon right now is a USED one for $45 or new starting at $55. It's BEEN that way for weeks.

There's two on Ebay.. for $80 and $99....

People really gotta stop that.

I have some sizable experience in collecting - though over here, it's handled by the state - and usually people simply want their money, and threaten to file for chapter 7 or the equivalent suit first. If that doesn't work they then launch the suit in the hope of the debtor not wanting to go down and paying them. In my experience, such suits are launched when the money was not coming, and several extended deadlines had passed. A last warning, of sorts.

I'd no call it bad advice either - "hoping they'll get better and then pay me" almost never paid out in my experience, those who agreed to such usually ended up paid last, more likely never.