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Karoline
QUOTE (unsound @ Aug 2 2010, 07:21 PM) *
Edit: Yeah, drain is target's DV - 2.

And that's why you use a medkit first.

P.S. I'm breaking the 35 point limit on negative qualities.
Mister Juan
I'll start working on a character sheet this week.





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unsound
QUOTE (Karoline @ Aug 2 2010, 06:28 PM) *
P.S. I'm breaking the 35 point limit on negative qualities.

Uh oh, I better go call the cops.
Solon
I'd like to submit a character. This is my first SR4 character so point out any obvious errors or deficiencies to me please. The last time I played Shadowrun the new hotness was 2nd edition so I'm a little rusty on a system that's 2 versions behind the times.

"Doc" John Martell (Knife Nut Nurse) formerly HM1(SS)

Physical Description
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Background
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Attributes
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Qualities
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Active Skills
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Knowledge Skills
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Languages
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Contacts
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Cyberware
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Bioware
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Gear
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Lifestyle: Low (paid for 6 months)
Starting Nuyen: 850 here is my roll, I had a little over 1000 Nuyen left over

Edit: As far as legal licenses are concerned I'd imagine Doc is a licensed Paramedic and now Nurse. He has veteran status so he would probably also have some VA benefits, he might be able to go to a VA hospital for routine maintenance and have access to software patches for his hand as well as basic medical care, even if the lines are long. (As a veteran myself I know just how long you can end up waiting at those places) He also legally obtained his Colt America L36 and carries it to and from work for protection.
Karoline
Looks solid enough smile.gif

Only thing I notice is that you have alot of points devoted into having both Unarmed and Blades at high levels. You might want to consider dropping one a couple of points. It would free up some BP for (among other things) a better muscle toner ware, which would improve your combat ability overall.
Solon
QUOTE (Karoline @ Aug 3 2010, 07:23 AM) *
Looks solid enough smile.gif

Only thing I notice is that you have a lot of points devoted into having both Unarmed and Blades at high levels. You might want to consider dropping one a couple of points. It would free up some BP for (among other things) a better muscle toner ware, which would improve your combat ability overall.


I had considered the overlap, but I'm looking for a hybrid Close Combat/Medic build. I also have some fire support ability, though I'm not planning on focusing much more ware or Karma in that direction. I wanted Lethal and non-lethal options. I don't consider this finalized quite yet so I'll look at what else I'd need to shift around to get another level of Toner or maybe a Reaction Enhancer. Thanks for the input.

I also toyed around with dropping Toughness to get his Edge to 4, but I'm wary about leaving him too fragile. He isn't quite a dedicated Street Sam type, but I still don't want to build a complete glass cannon.
unsound
Character looks good, Solon. You can make changes to your character sheet until it becomes finalized in case you want to move some numbers around later on down the road. I'll add you to the registry and you're cleared to start posting in the IC thread. smile.gif
Karoline
QUOTE (Solon @ Aug 3 2010, 01:39 PM) *
I had considered the overlap, but I'm looking for a hybrid Close Combat/Medic build. I also have some fire support ability, though I'm not planning on focusing much more ware or Karma in that direction. I wanted Lethal and non-lethal options. I don't consider this finalized quite yet so I'll look at what else I'd need to shift around to get another level of Toner or maybe a Reaction Enhancer. Thanks for the input.
Well, one point off of close combat would get you the extra nuyen for the muscle toner, with 2k nuyen and 2BP to lose. You'd have no net gain/loss in unarmed combat, but all other combat skills would go up and you'd have that bit of extra to use.
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I also toyed around with dropping Toughness to get his Edge to 4, but I'm wary about leaving him too fragile. He isn't quite a dedicated Street Sam type,
Toughness is an altogether unimpressive quality to be honest. For the same point cost you could raise your body to get the exact same bonus on damage tests as well as other good stuff, though I suppose you've maxed your stats already so not much option there. Still, it is only the rough equivalent of 2 points of armor. You can get that out of your character by grabbing some FFBA. Could also look into armor customization if Unsound allows it to get up to 3x body in armor instead of the normal 2x.
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but I still don't want to build a complete glass cannon.
Everyone is a glass cannon unless they are purpose built to be a tank, then they're more like a plywood cannon.
Solon
QUOTE (Karoline @ Aug 3 2010, 02:42 PM) *
Well, one point off of close combat would get you the extra nuyen for the muscle toner, with 2k nuyen and 2BP to lose. You'd have no net gain/loss in unarmed combat, but all other combat skills would go up and you'd have that bit of extra to use.


Good point, I'll see what I can do with that extra bit then.

QUOTE (Karoline @ Aug 3 2010, 02:42 PM) *
Toughness is an altogether unimpressive quality to be honest. For the same point cost you could raise your body to get the exact same bonus on damage tests as well as other good stuff, though I suppose you've maxed your stats already so not much option there. Still, it is only the rough equivalent of 2 points of armor. You can get that out of your character by grabbing some FFBA. Could also look into armor customization if Unsound allows it to get up to 3x body in armor instead of the normal 2x.


Hmm, well the Camouflage Suit already put him over his 2XBody limit when he wears it. I'm thinking with the extra cash and BP from shifting the Unarmed Combat to another Muscle toner I could switch from Plastic Bone Lacing to Bone Density Bioware and get an actual point of Body to deal with that. Adding FFBA will put me over the limit no matter what after that though. The armor vest is for discretion, the Camo Suit for other times.

QUOTE (Karoline @ Aug 3 2010, 02:42 PM) *
Everyone is a glass cannon unless they are purpose built to be a tank, then they're more like a plywood cannon.



Edit: And now I see I'm illiterate and that Bone Density Augmentation doesn't add Body... now the question becomes how do I add 1 Body? I could bump down Logic, but I'd rather not do that if I can avoid it.
Solon
QUOTE (unsound @ Aug 3 2010, 02:36 PM) *
Character looks good, Solon. You can make changes to your character sheet until it becomes finalized in case you want to move some numbers around later on down the road. I'll add you to the registry and you're cleared to start posting in the IC thread. smile.gif


Thanks, getting input before I finalize and start posting.

Would you allow custom tailored armor as in Arsenal p44 to let me wear the Camo suit without penalty? If so, how much would it increase costs?
Karoline
QUOTE (Solon @ Aug 3 2010, 03:10 PM) *
Edit: And now I see I'm illiterate and that Bone Density Augmentation doesn't add Body... now the question becomes how do I add 1 Body? I could bump down Logic, but I'd rather not do that if I can avoid it.

Yeah, it's tricky, only improves soak rolls, not actual bod. You could switch a point from logic over to Bod, and then you could use those extra 2 BP you freed up from unarmed to grab cerebral boosters. So once again, no net logic loss, but you get a point of body to wear more armor and have a bit of extra soak.
Solon
QUOTE (Karoline @ Aug 3 2010, 03:55 PM) *
Yeah, it's tricky, only improves soak rolls, not actual bod. You could switch a point from logic over to Bod, and then you could use those extra 2 BP you freed up from unarmed to grab cerebral boosters. So once again, no net logic loss, but you get a point of body to wear more armor and have a bit of extra soak.


I think I'm going to drop my Blades by 1, upgrade my Toner rating 1 level, upgrade to Ceramic Bone Lacing and drop Toughness which leaves me with 10BP to mess with. I have already maxed out the Cerebral Boosters I can start with. (Rating 2 for an availability of 12) I'm hoping I can get armor customization.

Maybe I'll up my etiquette to 2 with a military spec and then buy platelet factories for that last 10 BP if I can't use it to buy armor customization and maybe another point in dodge with a "take cover" spec or something.
Karoline
Consider leaving specs till after chargen, they only cost 2 karma which is fairly good compared to 2 BP (Usually there is a 2:1 ratio more or less). Forgot you already had the boosters. Still, you've only got... what, one skill you're really using logic for? A -1 isn't that bad, and the extra 3 points of soak (2 from extra armor, 1 from extra body) could be very handy.
Solon
QUOTE (Karoline @ Aug 3 2010, 04:17 PM) *
Consider leaving specs till after chargen, they only cost 2 karma which is fairly good compared to 2 BP (Usually there is a 2:1 ratio more or less). Forgot you already had the boosters. Still, you've only got... what, one skill you're really using logic for? A -1 isn't that bad, and the extra 3 points of soak (2 from extra armor, 1 from extra body) could be very handy.


All my medical skills are Logic, so 3 there, plus Chemistry. I'll wear the armor even with a -1 penalty if I have to so I'll still have the armor. I could shift a point from Agility and buy another level of Toners to get a Body of 4 I suppose...
unsound
QUOTE (Solon @ Aug 3 2010, 02:21 PM) *
Thanks, getting input before I finalize and start posting.

Would you allow custom tailored armor as in Arsenal p44 to let me wear the Camo suit without penalty? If so, how much would it increase costs?

For now we're gonna follow the standard rules, and add house rules or optional rules somewhere down the line if everybody agrees that they're necessary. On the other hand, I would just get a chameleon suit instead of a camouflage suit - you can wear it without penalty and it confers a higher bonus to your infiltration rolls.
Karoline
QUOTE (unsound @ Aug 3 2010, 09:27 PM) *
For now we're gonna follow the standard rules, and add house rules or optional rules somewhere down the line if everybody agrees that they're necessary. On the other hand, I would just get a chameleon suit instead of a camouflage suit - you can wear it without penalty and it confers a higher bonus to your infiltration rolls.

And doesn't stand out when you're wearing it in the wrong environment.
Solon
QUOTE (Karoline @ Aug 3 2010, 09:32 PM) *
And doesn't stand out when you're wearing it in the wrong environment.


He's not really all that stealthy, I just figured it was likely what he wore when with the FMF. I need to take a closer look at some of the armor in Arsenal, but I think I've just about got everything else finalized. Thanks for all the input.

Edit: I'm not raising my Body, so the vest is the max armor he can wear anyway. I'll find something else to spend that 1200 Nuyen on.
Karoline
QUOTE (Solon @ Aug 3 2010, 09:13 PM) *
He's not really all that stealthy, I just figured it was likely what he wore when with the FMF. I need to take a closer look at some of the armor in Arsenal, but I think I've just about got everything else finalized. Thanks for all the input.

Edit: I'm not raising my Body, so the vest is the max armor he can wear anyway. I'll find something else to spend that 1200 Nuyen on.

Thousands of zip ties biggrin.gif
Solon
QUOTE (Karoline @ Aug 3 2010, 10:43 PM) *
Thousands of zip ties biggrin.gif


I thought about it. Also I ended up ditching the helmet so that would have been 13000 zip ties in all. I went with some flashbangs and a legal firearm. I'm all finished and it feels good, now to read all the IC stuff so I know where to jump in.
Karoline
Woo, finally. Say hello to Mask. Will post IC tomorrow. Still rethinking that 6th point of resonance. Rating 6 on all those CFs will save me a ton of karma in the long run, but that would free up 37 BP for other stuff.

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Solon
QUOTE (Karoline @ Aug 3 2010, 10:53 PM) *
Woo, finally. Say hello to Mask. Will post IC tomorrow. Still rethinking that 6th point of resonance. Rating 6 on all those CFs will save me a ton of karma in the long run, but that would free up 37 BP for other stuff.



Hello Mask.
Solon
Karoline, where is Mask? What part of the city?
Abschalten
Fun fact: I had to edit the time of my last post for Ultima because I found out, via WolframAlpha that sunset on January 1st, 2072 comes pretty early. smile.gif

Also, I'm back.
Karoline
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Have you ever heard of the Shadow Wars?

Woo!

I was just thinking of making another account to operate as the rep for Shadow Wars and then doing an ad.
unsound
Mwahaha. You should totally go for it.
Mister Juan
QUOTE (Karoline @ Aug 4 2010, 09:57 PM) *
I was just thinking of making another account to operate as the rep for Shadow Wars and then doing an ad.


Maybe I missed part of the conversation, but are you talking about creating a second account on DSF? I know a some people who created alternate accounts, and used the same IP and got literally banned sarcastic.gif So yea, just saying.
Abschalten
Is anybody currently playing in the IC thread without a GM? Unsound, are there any people I should be eyeballing (aside from you, of course)?
Karoline
QUOTE (Mister Juan @ Aug 4 2010, 10:51 PM) *
Maybe I missed part of the conversation, but are you talking about creating a second account on DSF? I know a some people who created alternate accounts, and used the same IP and got literally banned sarcastic.gif So yea, just saying.

Hmm, really? I know one person on here who is doing it fairly obviously (to my knowledge), but he is just doing so to make his postings easier to follow, which is all I plan. I'll go double check the ToS to see if multiple accounts are disallowed.
Karoline
Hmm, yep, against ToS, that's a shame. Oh well.
Solon
QUOTE (Abschalten @ Aug 4 2010, 10:06 PM) *
Is anybody currently playing in the IC thread without a GM? Unsound, are there any people I should be eyeballing (aside from you, of course)?


I dunno if unsound has any plans for me. I'm sort of twisting in the wind at the moment. I got in a little late to get in on the action at Penumbra earlier.
unsound
Abs: Mask and Doc, our two newest recruits, are currently not in the middle of anything. Thanks for stepping up to bat for them! smile.gif
Solon
QUOTE (unsound @ Aug 4 2010, 10:37 PM) *
Abs: Mask and Doc, our two newest recruits, are currently not in the middle of anything. Thanks for stepping up to bat for them! smile.gif


Speaking of Mask, your little intro didn't say where she is or what time it is there, Karoline. Perhaps a little after 9pm in Loveland, Puyallup? <wink wink, nudge nudge>

Also, unsound is there a standard set of colors in use for speech, thoughts and commlink chatter?
Karoline
QUOTE (Solon @ Aug 4 2010, 10:39 PM) *
Speaking of Mask, your little intro didn't say where she is or what time it is there, Karoline. Perhaps a little after 9pm in Loveland, Puyallup? <wink wink, nudge nudge>

Purposefully left vague so she could run into someone since I haven't finished reading the half page of posts to figure out where/when everyone is (though I gather new years day night) She is wandering in an undetermined location to an undetermined location, so no reason she couldn't wander past that.
unsound
I've just been using the good ole standard English writing conventions of putting speech in quotes, thoughts in italics, and haven't done any commlink chatter yet, but I'll probably go with #text. But that's just 'cause I'm a lazy bastard...there are other games running in this forum that have a whole system of color coding set up to make it easier to distinguish between the different mediums of communication, so you can go copy that if you want. smile.gif
Solon
QUOTE (Karoline @ Aug 4 2010, 10:41 PM) *
Purposefully left vague so she could run into someone since I haven't finished reading the half page of posts to figure out where/when everyone is (though I gather new years day night) She is wandering in an undetermined location to an undetermined location, so no reason she couldn't wander past that.


Well I guess I'll play "knight in sour armor" then.
unsound
Oh yeah, before I forget, Important Announcement™! I'll be traveling to South Dakota this Saturday and will be there for the next two weeks hanging out with friends and watching bikers get into fights and drink copious amounts of alcohol at this year's Sturgis Rally. My internet access will be spotty during my stay there - I'll still pop in from time to time for general chatter in the OOC thread, but I probably would not be able to make very many IC posts. What does this mean for you? Hopefully, absolutely nothing! Remember, folks, this is your game, I'm just the bookkeeper. You can totally have your character do stuff and make scenes happen with other characters even when I'm not here. I'm going to wrap up any scenes I'm doing with you guys this week, and any persistent story threads will remain open-ended - for example, Dahlia and co are about to take a job where they have to track down some runaway Shadow Wars candidates, but you guys will have a rather large window of time to get it done (depending on how soon Karoline kick starts her game spin.gif), and you can totally do other stuff until you find a lead on one of your marks.

To encourage you all to post for one another and remain active, the next two weeks will officially be triple rewards weeks. smile.gif Normally, any amount of activity during a one week period would earn you 1 karma and ¥2500. During a triple rewards week, you earn that amount for every two posts, up to a maximum of six posts per week. Which means if you post once or twice that week, you get 1 karma and ¥2500, if you post three or four times, you get 2 karma and ¥5000, if you post five or six times, you get 3 karma and ¥7500, and if you post seven times...well, I will love you forever, but you still get the same amount because we gotta draw the line somewhere. smile.gif Post with your character, post with a random NPC talking to another random NPC at the local stuffer shack, post as a GM to initiate cool scenes for other players, it doesn't matter what it is, if it's IC it will count. Triple rewards week 1 will begin Monday 8/9 and end Monday 8/16. Triple rewards week 2 will begin Monday 8/16 and end Monday 8/23. Have at it.
Abschalten
That's cool. I might dabble at GMing, while screwing around in some IC posts with Ultima. Maybe somebody will write up a little something for me, but either way I'm cool.

If anybody is waiting for some GMing let me know. I'm happy to to do some individual scenes.
Aria
Silk is roleplaying at a roleplaying game so that could get quite surreal fast! I'm open for some action 'later in the day' as I seem to be lagging a bit behind everyone else...and I still haven't read through everyone's posts so I probably only have myself to blame...

See you in the IC thread

A
Solon
QUOTE (Abschalten @ Aug 5 2010, 12:30 AM) *
That's cool. I might dabble at GMing, while screwing around in some IC posts with Ultima. Maybe somebody will write up a little something for me, but either way I'm cool.

If anybody is waiting for some GMing let me know. I'm happy to to do some individual scenes.


Mask and Doc just met. We're still making our way through introductions, but neither of us has a GM working a scene for us.
Abschalten
QUOTE (Aria @ Aug 5 2010, 04:00 AM) *
Silk is roleplaying at a roleplaying game so that could get quite surreal fast! I'm open for some action 'later in the day' as I seem to be lagging a bit behind everyone else...and I still haven't read through everyone's posts so I probably only have myself to blame...


If you fast forward to when Aria is done I'll see about throwing something at her. smile.gif Wherever and whenever you want to place her, I'll use your writing as a springboard and we'll see where we go from there.

Also: I never rolled my starting nuyen for Ultima. unsound, when I get home I'm going to do that.

Edit: 3d6+1 → [1,3,5,1] = (10) 10*50 = 500 starting nuyen.gif
Karoline
So, unsound said that some people are having a bit of trouble accepting Mask's sheet, and I totally understand that smile.gif. I had a bunch of personal debates while making the character myself, and am going to go back and redistribute stuff some. I would however like to point out that 1) she took more than 35 points of disadvantages, but didn't actually use any of the points over the 35. I took those extras purely for RP reasons and didn't claim any mechanical advantage out of it. 2) she isn't designed to be a runner, which is why she lacks combat/infiltration type skills. She is supposed to be a person who is a gifted TM and so has focused on that most of her (short) life, not a runner who happens to be a TM, or even a TM who happens to be a TM. Still, I will be changing stuff slightly. I at least want her to have a basic idea of how to use her shock gloves for self defense, and I'm going to be distributing her agility around her physical stats a bit more, and might drop her int a couple points.

So, no hard feelings, because you guys (unsound mentioned no names) simply confirmed something I was already feeling, so thanks smile.gif

Edit: and since she started with no lifestyle since her paragon doesn't let her pay for one, starting money is...Starting cash x10 (1d6=1) Woo, 10 credits starting cash biggrin.gif
Solon
Karoline, "B Bandit"?
Red_Cap
That's her characater from another thread; she got momentarily mixed up between. Happened to me once already, too.
Karoline
QUOTE (Red_Cap @ Aug 7 2010, 04:20 PM) *
That's her characater from another thread; she got momentarily mixed up between. Happened to me once already, too.

Yep, especially considering they are both TMs, though they are quite different personalities.
Solon
QUOTE (Karoline @ Aug 8 2010, 12:14 AM) *
Yep, especially considering they are both TMs, though they are quite different personalities.


Hey, it happens. I was wondering if you'd made some alterations to her when I wasn't looking.

Until I looked at the sheet I thought Mask was conning me with the blind bit, though I gather she is a bit of a cyber-grifter.

p.s. Please don't infect Doc's hand with a virus that causes uncontrollable rude gestures. He's only got an etiquette of 1, so he'd have a rough time with that. "Uh, I've got Cyber-Tourettes?" <weak smile>
Karoline
QUOTE (Solon @ Aug 8 2010, 01:29 AM) *
Hey, it happens. I was wondering if you'd made some alterations to her when I wasn't looking.

Until I looked at the sheet I thought Mask was conning me with the blind bit, though I gather she is a bit of a cyber-grifter.

p.s. Please don't infect Doc's hand with a virus that causes uncontrollable rude gestures. He's only got an etiquette of 1, so he'd have a rough time with that. "Uh, I've got Cyber-Tourettes?" <weak smile>

Don't worry, she isn't B Bandit so she hasn't even hacked into anything of yours yet. If she was B Bandit she'd already be in control of your home node, personal commlink, hidden commlink, and basically anything else that it is possible to hack into. She likely wouldn't do anything with them mind you...
Karoline
Software 2 + Analytical Mind 2 + Resonance 6 + VR 2 = 12 threading Spoof (12d6.hits(5)=5) Raises Spoof to 11
Resonance 6 + Logic 6 = 12 Resist Fading (12d6.hits(5)=3) 2P Fading taken.
Spoof 11 + VR 2 + Hacking 2 + Allas 2 = 17 spoofing lifestyle (17d6.hits(5)=7) Working towards Middle, which requires 12.
Assuming 8 hours of work constitutes a 'day' so at the end of that time Mask will actually go to sleep (around 6am). Will wait to see what time she is woken before attempting any healing tests. Not sure if the time spent on the matrix counts or not since the body is resting, but the mind is not, though it is the body that needs to heal.
Solon
With unsound on vacation, do we just play our own contacts?
(within reason obviously. My Fixer won't magically get me free Synaptic Boosters or anything like that)
Abschalten
I sorta assumed contacts were for the GMs to mess with.
Grimm
Hello! I wanted to inquire about how newb friendly this particular game is. I've been playing pen and paper rpgs for about 15 years but I only played Shadowrun a couple of times, and that was 3rd ed about 10 years ago or so. I'd like to get involved in a couple games here as a player and GM (eventually) just want to make sure I won't be inconveniencing the GM or players as I learn mechanics. Thanks for your time. (Yes I posted this in another thread with the same inquiry, not spam. Just copypasta.)
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