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Talia Invierno
So working our way through
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1. Which (if any) questions are you asking Juliana in the still-moving vehicle?


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Are you hit, bleeding, etc?

No. You can see some half-healed burns around her wrists, and her movements show an occasional flinch, but she'll insist that she's okay (except for that fragging collar, of course).
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Are you aware of any immediate threats to your health?

See collar. Insert pissed-off language. She's very fluent in pissed-off language grinbig.gif
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Are you aware of any specific responses your rescue might bring about?

After the initial reaction, she's thinking about it. "No," she says finally. "They'll still want me back, but first they'll have to find me." Preempting a possible follow-up question about tracking, she shrugs (and winces -- there's clearly more bruises under what's left of that clothing than she's willing to admit): "Anything can be tracked, if you've got enough incentive. 'Course, they've got to know I'm gone first." She's trying, but she knows she can't give you a real estimate of what the schedule down there was, she didn't even know it was night until she'd been broken out. She thinks she'd been alone for at least an hour, but it's hard to tell.
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Is there anything we should be aware of when obtaining medical treatment for you?

"Don't worry about me. Get this thing off, I'll be fine. Deal with the others."
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Are you aware of any tracking devices, magical or mundane, that might be attached to you?

Maybe the collar, she doesn't know.
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Do your captors have a ritual sample from you?

She's guessing probably. (Shadow of remembered pain in her eyes.) They've definitely got links. But she doesn't seem overly concerned about it -- you aren't sure how much of that is real confidence, how much is overconfidence, how much might be just bravado or even her having stopped caring -- and once again back to the collar.

Tell me when you want to start on the questions you're asking her in the safehouse (= "locked down"?).
Shanshu Freeman
1. Remove Package
2. Deliver Package.




Anybody remember the days when running was simple?
pragma
Before we move to the locked down phase:

1. Do you know what causes the collar's feedback?

And maybe (but only maybe)

2. What's your relationship to Galina?

I see no problems with moving forward to lockdown. We should bring Juliana into the ward, keep her as far away as possible from spellcasting (if possible between a ward and the magic) and probably -- as much as I am loathe to do it -- let Juliana know she's under her roof. The last point of course depends on the answer we may or may not get from Juliana w/respect to her relation to Galina.

It would still be a lot of fun to keep both her and Galina in the dark though.

By the by, by lockdown I assume we mean not only a locked room but a locked room bristling with weapons.
pragma
When running was simple my runners were in the business of going exotic places and destroying something new each week. And it was hard to come up with something new for them to blow up each week. All in all its much easier to make it hard. devil.gif
Shanshu Freeman
I'm ok with moving forward
Slacker
I don't see a problem with moving forward.
Talia Invierno
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Anybody remember the days when running was simple?
- Shanshu Freeman

In the ultimate deniability career move, working without a safety net: you had days like that?
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1. Do you know what causes the collar's feedback?
- pragma

"The usual guess would be some kind of anchoring or quickening. If it's not that, then I sure don't know." (At this point it's probably self-evident that it's not a subject that inspires the bluebird of happiness, before or after coffee.)
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And maybe (but only maybe)

2. What's your relationship to Galina?

Let me know if this becomes more than a maybe. No one else has confirmed it.
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I see no problems with moving forward to lockdown. We should bring Juliana into the ward, keep her as far away as possible from spellcasting (if possible between a ward and the magic) and probably -- as much as I am loathe to do it -- let Juliana know she's under her roof. The last point of course depends on the answer we may or may not get from Juliana w/respect to her relation to Galina.

So in moving forward, am I to take this as the basic outline of how you want to approach
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2. Which (if any) questions are you asking Juliana in the safehouse?

3. (possibly related) ... Are you taking Juliana into this safehouse? This is also asking for
a) whether you are going to take Juliana into the warded area;
b) how you are going to deal with Juliana re proximity of spellcasting; and
c) the resolution of whether or not you want Juliana and Galina to come together, and what you are doing about it either way.

Also, "lockdown" can mean different things to different people. What does it mean to this group?
Slacker
I'd say we should probably go ahead and ask her what her relationship with Galina is.

Once we get to the safehouse we should be moving her into a warded room separate from any spellcasting as has been suggested, stalling any casting as necessary.

To me "lockdown" means getting everybody inside with the doors locked. With one or two people on guard duty, preferrably inside, but being sure to have an early warning is more important than having everybody inside. So they may have to be stationed outside/on-roof if field of view is limited from within the safehouse.
Shanshu Freeman
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I'd say we should probably go ahead and ask her what her relationship with Galina is.

Once we get to the safehouse we should be moving her into a warded room separate from any spellcasting as has been suggested, stalling any casting as necessary.

To me "lockdown" means getting everybody inside with the doors locked. With one or two people on guard duty, preferrably inside, but being sure to have an early warning is more important than having everybody inside. So they may have to be stationed outside/on-roof if field of view is limited from within the safehouse.

yup, sounds good to me.

as a partial group lifestyle, I hope we have a roof or crow's nest of some sort. it would definetly be a selling point. Otherwise, lookouts as described above.
whtemg
Great read. I need to keep a better eye on these boards. smile.gif

The current problem seems to be that you aren't sure where you stand with the involved parties. This leaves you with a few options as to how you progress.

Option A - We just want to get paid. smile.gif
- We get the critically injured to Galina, and do not reveal Juliana. I'd then dope Juliana(or otherwise render unconscious) and proceed to drop. Minimal hassle, although Galina's intentions could make this more complicated if not carefully played.

Option B - The girl's been through enough.
- We level with Juliana before reaching the safehouse and Galina. Our actions will be guided by her at that point. In its favor is the fact that it should inspire some trust from Juliana, and we can stop worrying about what she can/can't do. Of course, it could also mean that we end up not getting paid...

Option C - Contacts need love too.
- Proceed to safehouse, and level with Galina.(Not in the presence of Juliana, preferably.) Let her guide our actions at that point. Could lead us into option B, could just get really complicated.

I have a KISS mentality, but most of my characters in the past would lean toward option B. Of course, it should be noted that those characters are "in the past". smile.gif Keep up the good work, I want to know how this ends. wink.gif
pragma
As suggested lockdown protocol:

I expect that Advent could make a very effective early warning system for the locked down safehouse by launching a Condor to serve as an eye in the sky. Once Ghost regains a little more consciousness she could back him up with regular patrols of the area immediately around the safehouse.

That said, the current plan of action looks pretty good.
Shanshu Freeman
Talia, what do you think?
Da9iel
We've got to get this tread moving quickly before Trogdor is trapped forever inside the earth due to conversion to SR4 rules! silly.gif
Talia Invierno
I'm sorry, Shanshu: I'd missed your post, and thought the onus was still on you guys. (Although I'm not entirely sure what you mean by what I think ...? hope I covered it below?) Thanks, Da9iel, for dragging it up to my attention.
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To me "lockdown" means getting everybody inside with the doors locked. With one or two people on guard duty, preferrably inside, but being sure to have an early warning is more important than having everybody inside. So they may have to be stationed outside/on-roof if field of view is limited from within the safehouse.
- Slacker

Noted.
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as a partial group lifestyle, I hope we have a roof or crow's nest of some sort. it would definitely be a selling point. Otherwise, lookouts as described above.
- Shanshu Freeman

I'll give you the roof access.
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I expect that Advent could make a very effective early warning system for the locked down safehouse by launching a Condor to serve as an eye in the sky. Once Ghost regains a little more consciousness she could back him up with regular patrols of the area immediately around the safehouse.
- pragma

The Condor isn't a problem. Didn't you already have an eye in the sky from earlier, though? For Ghost, give me parameters of when you want her active in patrols: she regains consciousness at the usual six boxes.
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we should be moving her into a warded room separate from any spellcasting as has been suggested, stalling any casting as necessary.
- Slacker

This is the plan of action then?

Did I miss anything?
Slacker
Yeah looks that way to me.

Once we have her in the room behind a ward and while Galina heals whoever is injured, I guess we'll ask the questions suggested by Crusher Bob earlier
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Questions for once we have been locked down:

What circumstances led to your capture?
Do you blame any specific persons for your capture?
Who were your captors, and what do you know of their intentions toward you?


When Galina is finished with the healing, then we can have her look at the collar. First warning her about what has previously happened when spells were cast near the collar or we were examining it.

As a refresher, who all do we have up and functional right now that can be on watch?
Shanshu Freeman
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hope I covered it below?

yup, thanks
pragma
To answer Slacker:
  • Solitaire, our decker, is fully operational
  • Advent, our rigger, is in a similar state -- further all of his drones other than the spiders are available
  • Ghost, our covert ops specialist, is still waking up but is functional.
One of our mages is dead and the other is digging.

Another bright idea for perimeter security -- should we have Solitaire hack a few nearby grid guide cameras. It would give us another way to keep a good eye on the surrounding area, but might be more of a security risk than a benefit (depending on how much faith we have in her hacking ability).
Slacker
That is a pretty good idea pragma, that way we don't have to have anyone exposed outside doing the guard thing.
Talia Invierno
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we should be moving her into a warded room separate from any spellcasting as has been suggested, stalling any casting as necessary.
- Slacker

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should we have Solitaire hack a few nearby grid guide cameras
- pragma

Please all confirm yea/nay whether these things are done, each part separately.
pragma
I think Slacker's suggestion can be safely confirmed. I'd like to wait on more feedback for mine.
Shanshu Freeman
can someone save me the digging, if they recall off the top of their head, refresh my memory who died and how? I'm having a brain fizzle. was it diamond? I thought we got him out.
Crusher Bob
Diamond has a deadly wound and is stabilized. Unless Galina has a really good heal spell, Diamond is out of things for the duration. Of course, he is realtively easy to heal, (iirc, he has an essence of 5, making the TN of the healing spell 5), Galina getting at least 5 success on the healing test would be ideal as that would reduce him down to a moderate wound (which dosen't require hospitalization), otherwise, we'll need to come up with a long term care solution for him (iirc, serious wounds require clinic/high lifestyle to heal properly). Of course, getting 5+ successes at TN 5 needs an average of, err... 15 dice, which I doubt Galina can throw... Hmm, it might easier than I though, if she gets a +2 totem bonus to health spells...

We still have something like 4? more hours for Trogdor to dig himself out, so he still has plenty of time to dig himself out.
Shanshu Freeman
QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Sep 3 2005, 08:53 AM)
Diamond has a deadly wound and is stabilized.  Unless Galina has a really good heal spell, Diamond is out of things for the duration.  Of course, he is realtively easy to heal,  (iirc, he has an essence of 5, making the TN of the healing spell 5), Galina getting at least 5 success on the healing test would be ideal as that would reduce him down to a moderate wound (which dosen't require hospitalization), otherwise, we'll need to come up with a long term care solution for him (iirc, serious wounds require clinic/high lifestyle to heal properly).  Of course, getting 5+ successes at TN 5 needs an average of, err... 15 dice, which I doubt Galina can throw...  Hmm, it might easier than I though, if she gets a +2 totem bonus to health spells...

We still have something like 4? more hours for Trogdor to dig himself out, so he still has plenty of time to dig himself out.

when pragma said someone was dead, that threw me. I figured I hadn't been paying close enough attention.
pragma
My apologies -- I exaggerated Diamond's condition a litle bit.

That said, any opinions on the added security measures? Is having Ghost patrol or Solitaire hack grid guide worth the effort?

My personal opinion is that hacking grid guid will give us excellent perimeter security (especially combined with an eye in the sky) but that we still want Ghost to keep an eye on astral around the area (with the magic sense and the true sight and all that). Possibly walking the perimeter every 10-15 minutes or something like that.
Shanshu Freeman
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My apologies -- I exaggerated Diamond's condition a litle bit.

That said, any opinions on the added security measures? Is having Ghost patrol or Solitaire hack grid guide worth the effort?

My personal opinion is that hacking grid guid will give us excellent perimeter security (especially combined with an eye in the sky) but that we still want Ghost to keep an eye on astral around the area (with the magic sense and the true sight and all that). Possibly walking the perimeter every 10-15 minutes or something like that.

Is that kind of hacking usually pretty tame? If we can usually get away with it, and it doesn't take too much time, my instinct is to say "go ahead." But if it's likely to attract unwanted attention, I'd pass.
pragma
Orange Hard if I recall correctly
pragma
Actually,

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Because the potential for wreaking havoc and injury by messing with GridGuide is quite high, GridGuide hosts are well protected, usually rated Red-Hard.  These hosts are almost always crawling with security deckers of Equal or Superior ratings.... Black IC ... at least one backup host ...


Maybe try adding dataline taps to selected cameras instead?
Shanshu Freeman
Let's also discuss what we might do if we do notice someone closing on our location... Escape? (to?) Dig in?

Even with surviellance, we can still miss a disguised transport or something.

If the rewards out weigh the risks, I'm onboard.
Talia Invierno
GridGuide is still under some debate. Is everyone confirmed for moving Juliana into a warded room?
Shanshu Freeman
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GridGuide is still under some debate. Is everyone confirmed for moving Juliana into a warded room?

I vote yea
Crusher Bob
Fine with me.
pragma
Yea.
Talia Invierno
Had to confirm specifically, because as it turns out there is interaction between the collar and the ward ...

The immediate initial result is that the collar sends out another pulse, which will affect everyone in the vicinity. This could have serious implications for Diamond, the degree of which depends on exact timing.
Velocity
Give the PCs enough rope and they'll cliffhang themselves with it. dead.gif
Shanshu Freeman
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Had to confirm specifically, because as it turns out there is interaction between the collar and the ward ...

The immediate initial result is that the collar sends out another pulse, which will affect everyone in the vicinity. This could have serious implications for Diamond, the degree of which depends on exact timing.

Perhaps Diamond is already being tended to in another, seperately warded room of our group lifestyle?


(pretty please)
Talia Invierno
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Perhaps Diamond is already being tended to in another, seperately warded room of our group lifestyle?

Not a logical assumption, based on what has been said in this thread about there being a warded room.

Need a canon ruling: where physical track is full (overflow), can stun track still be filled separately?
Eyeless Blond
Hm, I don't know if canon has anything to say on the matter. My gut tells me it still fills seperately, if only because it would by default. No Pool dice to resiste though. smile.gif

More important, though: Diamond would likely have gone in first, being on a stretcher and all. Is he getting hit by the pulse through the ward, or is Juliana's collar getting through the ward *then* pulsing?
Slacker
@ Talia: I've never seen anything canon that says anything about it. Like Eyeless Blond, I'd think it would still fill separately, because that is the default.

@Eyeless: I believe the situation was that Diamond was brought into a central room at the front of the domicile to be treated, while we were going to take Juliana into another room that was already warded (with an assumption that it opened into the central room, though that could have just been something I assumed).
pragma
Again, no source to cite but I would lean towards the stun monitor filling separately and overflowing onto physical as normal. Probably destabilizes him too boot.
Talia Invierno
What I'd understood by it was that the room had been pre-warded, not that someone was going to spend however-many-hours warding it after something or someone enters it: which means that something active interacted with something active. If the latter, of course, you have an entirely different problem wink.gif

My own default is to keep the stun track as intact: which in this case will probably save Diamond's life. The effect doesn't take down anyone else who isn't already down, although for Solitaire it comes close (she's well into serious Stun now), and a still-unconscious Ghost slips into physical damage.

Incidentally, this is at the moment of point of contact with the ward. Juliana isn't yet inside. There is resistance between the ward and what's around her neck.

Actions?
pragma
Based on the force through a barrier rules I'd expect the ward to be destroyed if we puch hard enough (maybe the death focus too). However, I don't think that we want to continue pushing if its going to continue hurting us -- call the ward quits and tend to the wounded.

We should also ask Galina what she thinks of the collar and talk to our Johnson As quickly as possible!

By the way, have we performed a visible inspection of the collar? There isn't an off switch or simple release mechanism is there?
Shanshu Freeman
I agree, observe in detail.
Slacker
Agreed, we need to have Galina looking at that collar now.

Calling the Johnson, I'm not so sure about. At one point there was talk of possibly not completing the contract and working for Juliana or Galina instead. Did we ever come to any decisions on that? Or did we just put it off until we could get more info from Juliana?

If there is any chance at all of us not taking her to the Johnson, we should not be calling him at this time.
Shanshu Freeman
I'm fairly certain The Package can surmise that removing her from that cell was not a humanitarian mission... now that a trickle more time has passed, has she hinted at all about her desires re: whomever engineered her extaction?

Once we are reasonably back on our feet, then let's pursue a: contact with our employer, or b: other possibilities.

in terms of "b," I personally would consider doing The Package's bidding if 1. She has a better offer, 2. She's powerfull enough our cooperation or lack thereof will be inconsequential or our resistance to her will is futile, and 3. She can give us absoloute safety from consequences regarding our current employers. (Is this likely considering the circumstances under which we said we'd agree to take the job? Dependant on The Package's "Juice.")

meanwhile, let's get back up on our feet, we can crosstalk, and until we're good to go, or something happens, we can maybe put off deciding on calling the Johnson or crossing the Johnson.
Talia Invierno
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By the way, have we performed a visible inspection of the collar? There isn't an off switch or simple release mechanism is there?
- pragma

Not to the cursory visual inspection.
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now that a trickle more time has passed, has she hinted at all about her desires re: whomever engineered her extaction?
- Shanshu Freeman

She has expressed no curiosity about it whatsoever: or rather, she seems open to whatever information you want to give, but she's not asking, not even a questioning look. What you're not telling, she isn't asking.

That's after she gets over the most recent effects of the collar, of course: during those points in time there is very little focus on anything else, for reasons all of you can by now appreciate.

Fyi: you do realise that you have only two team members who are still conscious?
Eyeless Blond
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Fyi: you do realise that you have only two team members who are still conscious?

YES we do. Too many cooks spoiling the broth, I think. Though keep in mind most of the oldsters voted to ditch this mission from the get-go; I guess they weren't wrong. smile.gif

Well so much for the ward. Did we have anyone at all on the other side of it to gauge the effects of having a ward between Package and other people? Either way we still ought to get a ward's barrier between her and the extremely damaged (which by now includes everyone but Galina), so I guess they go into the ward instead. Keep her as far as physically possible and socially acceptable from the rest of the group, and just sit tight until everyone's a little less dead (eg. at least Stun boxes are empty).

After that... what Shanshu Freeman said. smile.gif
pragma
I'm good with killing time. Given the state Solitaire is likely in we can hold off on GridGuide. Just keep an eye in the sky and our fingers crossed.

Advent didn't happen to avoid the last pulse did he?
Talia Invierno
I'm having a hard time distinguishing what's aimed at me and what's general questioning?
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Did we have anyone at all on the other side of it to gauge the effects of having a ward between Package and other people?
- Eyeless Blond

Not as far as I know?
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Advent didn't happen to avoid the last pulse did he?
- pragma

No, he didn't. He's still conscious though.

Could someone re-post exactly which parts of what Shanshu said are to be valid at this point? What I'm understanding is that you tried to hustle her quickly through the "back door" and into the warded area -- which had consequences. At the same time presumably someone took Diamond to Galina through the front door?

Will be away Thursday through Sunday.
Shanshu Freeman
QUOTE (Talia Invierno)
What I'm understanding is that you tried to hustle her quickly through the "back door" and into the warded area -- which had consequences. At the same time presumably someone took Diamond to Galina through the front door?

I'll defer on this.


My opinion on further action is a defensive posture until we're in better shape.
Talia Invierno
Agree? Disagree? Can't identify anything else solid that I can act on.
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