Ah. Thank you. I see it now.

So I dont have to split my dice pool if I fire one gun as my first simple action (Single Shot) then fire the second gun as my second simple action? Wow! If that is true I wouldnt mind loosing the smartlink.

Odd Question...

Has anyone figured out how to convert the many many firearms that are in SR3 into SR4 rules? Going from SR2 to SR3 (and vice versa) was pretty easy. But 1st to 2/3 and not 2/3 to 4th is not that easy.

Just curious. I would love to bring some of the guns from SR3 into our games. I could always wait for the gear book to come out but I am impatient.

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Think the easiest way would be to just look at the weapons they included with the core book. In SR3, 95% or more of weapons in the same class were statted almost identically - differing only in accessories and/or ammo capacity. The ones that were given different codes were usually only one point higher or lower - which should be easily-enough translated into an extra point of damage or increased armor-penetration factor. Or even both. The ones that were the same would likely share the code of the nearest gun that was ported over.

Take the Predator, the Manhunter, and the Super-Warhawk for example. In SR3, the TN was 1 higher for the Warhawk, the other two had identical damage codes. In SR4, the Pred and Manhunter are still virtually identical, but the Warhawk's higher damage code translated to 1 extra point of damage and an extra point of armor penetration. So if you wanted to port, say, the Browning Max-Power over to SR4, just give it the same stats as the Predator and drop the price and ammo capacity. Voila.

Admittedly, this doesn't always bear out - in SR3, the Viper and the Roomsweeper had identical damage codes, but in SR4, the Viper is a bit more powerful. Though this could be attributed to the Viper shooting pointy true fletchers while the roomsweeper is firing blunt, round shot or b/c the Viper only has one choke setting and the tighter grouping ups the damage potential. But even then, it's a fairly straightforward thing to take into account.

i have a question for the gun HK XM 30 what wapon skill do i use, do i use longarms if i am fireing the barelmounter shotgun that i can buy or would i still use the automatics because it ia part of an assult rifle? i want to know which skill to use?

I still can't understand why a shotgun goes from 7P/-1 to 9P(f)/+2 if flechette ammo is +2 DV, +2 AP. Can anyone explain this to me?

the reason is that flechette in the matter of your standard birdshot bismuth pellet have little penetration against armor. Against unarmored targets however that same pellet mass with chew through almost anything. this is why you have a higher damage code but a penalty against armor, that and the pellet spread, on the other hand the lower damage code is the single deer slug or double ought buckshot which will punch through armor like nobody's buisness. but because it doesnt spread, the damage code is lower, but because of it being a solid slug, it has greater penetration.

When you add Armor to your cyberlimbs, how exactly do you factor it in? does it factor like the other stats do or what???

Makes me wonder if a person can be heavily armored through the cyber stuff alone or not.

I think part of the armor piercing issue is that, even if you shoot someone with the flechette in armor, there is still the impact (which will probably hurt a bit from the force, if not entirely the ammo).

As such, wouldn't the increase in the AP mean that the damage is more likely to turn out stun? add to that 2 extra dice (I think) and that might play it out a little better in the idea.

That, or SR4 shotguns are the best around, lol.

the +2 to impact armor will only make it more likely that the target takes stun damage if the target's Impact armor is not 2 or more ponts less than ballistic.

most off the shelf armor is 2 points less.

How do wound modifiers work with regard to matrix combat for non-technomancers? Do only boxes on the Stun and Physical Damage Tracks count towards the wounded dice pool penalties? Or is it just the Matrix Condition Monitor? Or do all three count towards these penalties?

In the example on page 231, the IC has a wound penalty because of damage on the Matrix CM. The hacker in that example suffers damage to his Stun CM, but then he takes an action without any penalties. This implies that a hacker can be near flatlining but as long as there hasn't been any damage taken on the hacker's Matrix CM, he doesn't experience any penalties. Is this correct?

P. 154 wound modifiers apply to nearly all the tests an injured character may attempt except to resistance tests.

P. 231 speaks about the Matrix Condition monitor. It does not say anything about wound modifiers, so by the rules as written there is no wound modifiers for cybercombat unless it is Black Hammer or IC.

Very interesting. Anyone else see anything to contradict this?

It just seems odd that if a fully healthy hacker is going up against IC and they're just trading Attack program blows that the IC is the only one that will suffer wound penalties.

Perhaps you misunderstand me. I don't see anything that makes IC suffer wound penalties either.

Oh. I got that from the example on the page where the IC resists damage. "It gets 1 hit, enough to reduce the damage to 5 boxes. The IC has 10 boxes on its Matrix Condition Monitor, so it's halfway to being finished, and now suffers from a -1 Wound modifier."

Hmm. Don't see any where else in the rules that says anything about matrix entities and wound penalties.

I wonder if that should be in the errata. Can anyone provide a rules quote? I don't see anything in the rules.
I've also seen homebrewed character sheets that had matrix icons. They seemed to get a -1 per 2 boxes instead of per 3. I can't seem to find any rules to that affect though.

On another subject, as I was building a character today, I noticed a bit of craziness.
Stun Baton - 400
Both Tasers - 150
One of the Tasers even allows you to use it in melee as a stun weapon, with a better damage code. Why would the tasers cost less? Maybe it is a misprint or needs to be errated?

the stun baton probably has better reach, definitely has more charges (10, iirc) and can be charged up for free. might also have better concealability (is it the one that shrinks down?)

anyways, the tasers have 4 charges before needing recharge, and it costs 5 per shot (50 per 10 darts). also, it doesn't ever specify what skill it is to use the defiance shocker in melee, so one could argue it is an exotic skill (which is much worse than the generalised skill needed for a stun baton).

but really, i think the main thing is 4 shots... that's not an awful lot really...

plus the fact that stick'n'shock can do the same thing, pretty much...

however, the shocker, with it's damage code of 8S, is still very attractive...

Is the Ares Viper Slivergun supposed to be that deadly?

It has 8P +2 w fechet ammo, that´d make a "virtual" 6S 0 basedamage & AP. Thats more powerfull then every other pistol, and not even taking into account the burstmode!

The Ares Viper Slivergun is, and always has been, an excellent example of why Ares is the leading arms developer. That is to say, that gun has always been a little overpowered.
It isn't an uber-gun that owns all other guns. It is just a very good gun.

Question on the Panther Assualt Cannon damage. Am I right in thinking that it is to low? It is described as a light tank round but does only 10P? Seems rather light considering that in 3rd edition it had a damage rating of 18D.

Real life tasers have the cartridge on the front (barrel) end. You simply take off the cartridge and the contacts are exposed, allowing you to shock without expening a cartridge. The same thing can be done if you only hit with on of the fishooks, you can poke the victim with the end of the taser to complete the circuit. Even though this gun in the book is different, I wouldn't think it would use up any shots.

hmmm... i suppose i had presumed the darts themselves have the charge in them, and would only be good for one use, since pulsar darts and shocker darts cost the same...

Compared the 3rd edition damage for fire arms against 4th edition last night. I can almost see the formula they used. If you take Deadly to equal 4th edition Physical damage it looks like they either subtracted 2 power levels from the damage to raise the code one or in some cases they subtracted one power level to raise the code one to get 4th edition damage codes. The Panther Assault Cannon is the only one when compared between the two that does not fit into this pattern. No biggie as I will just change it for my own game but am curious if any one else noticed this?

Yeah, the panther should be upped.

As for the taser darts, you are forgetting, the defiance is attached by a cord. It actually has unlimited charge. For instance, if you rip the fishhooks out of the target you can reload the taser that way. Or if you leave the fishhooks in, you can continually shock them with it. That is the way real tasers work anyways.
The other taser has built in capacitors in the darts. You need to replace each dart.

Another note of weirdness is the Cherry Blossom Storm. Namely, how it's ammo looks and works.
We have to clues.
Ammo is 10 (ml) x4. This means it is muzzle loading. Does it have 10 "lines" of four bullets that you can load in at a time? Or each line of 4 bullets is loaded at once? Also, it does not say anywhere that burst firing takes 4 rounds instead of 3.
The way they seem to want it is that it can fire 10 bursts, or individually.

I think it is (at least, based on the picture, and on the MetlaStorm gun) 4 barrels, which can have 10 rounds loaded into them. I assume you chose which barrel will fire at any given time, or something. I dunno - doesn't seem to matter much except that there are 40 bullets in the thing.

The Fubuki's artist showed up on the forums a while back and basically explained to us that the weapon has four detachable barrels, each loaded with 10 in-line rounds that are electrically ignited.

The little black bar above the picture of the gun is a removed barrel (muzzle). And yeah, I'd hate to be the guy trying to match ballistics evidence on those things.

Okay, so you have 10 bursts then.
If each barrel can be detached, do you detach a line of barrels after firing it's bullets?
Or is it more of you load all the barrels bullet by bullet at home, then attach them all. The only quick reload is to have another set on you and attach all the barrels at once?

It seems really weird the way the ammo works on that gun.

That's Metal Storm Technology for you. Pretty weird. The magazine is the barrel, and since the bullets are already in position to be fired, there's nothing stopping you from firing all the bullets in a single action (except the fact that it would detroy all four barels and shatter the bones in your arm).

-Frank

2 Q´s about contact lenses in SR4

1. What are advanced vision contacts running on?
Do they need recharge, if so, how often will that be?
Are they running on photoelectric energy, if so, how long can they last in the dark?
Are they powert by the electrostatic energy from your eyelids when you blink?

2. How many options can you put into one paire contacts?
I found no limit for this, but it´d seam resonable to have only one option for each pair, I mean, they are much smaller than cybereyes!
If you can put multiple options into them, will this effect Q 1?

Essentially I consider the further defense and attack rolls the target trying to remove the dart. The "twitch" effect is the electricity damage test.

If they fail their twitch test, then yes a taser is a death sentence. You get hit by a taser then you generally don't get up and come after someone more. Unless you are big (high body) or exceptionally tough (high will).

So essentially it is covered by the rules. For further rounds trying to shock you make your ranged attack test like normal, probably getting a bonus modifier that is appropriate. They make their defense test as normal (if allowed, i.e. they passed their twitch test) then if they succeed they ripped the dart out. If not, treat it as another successful attack. It just doesn't use up another dart, rather using the one already attached.

Seems to follow the rules pretty well.

ok then, so how come wired 3 makes your taser shock them more often?

Obviously the enhanced nuerokinetics running through out your body channel more electricity through the wireless connection to your taser and apply more juice.
Simple really.