Sren
Aug 6 2006, 04:38 AM
Well, whose going to be there next week?
damaleon
Aug 7 2006, 05:22 AM
I can't make it on Sat. I have to drive family to the airport in the middle of what would be game time.
Sren
Aug 8 2006, 03:11 AM
Too bad, but family comes first. Something I understand. Drive safely.
Crimson, BA, what about you guys. Two-player games are a little hard to plan if I don't know what you guys are up to. Soo, character plans for Christmas in Seattle (in 2055). Your first christmas...
Any of the other guys still out there?
If recent patterns hold, looks like this week is canceled unless both Crimson and BA are going to be there. The week after is the gamathon here at Glem Burnie (24 straight hours of gaming, lots of fun last year).
De Badd Ass
Aug 8 2006, 03:14 AM
Do they play Shadowrun at the gamathon? DnD? Sounds like something I might like.
When you say the week after, do you mean Aug 19th or Aug 26th?
De Badd Ass
Aug 8 2006, 03:31 AM
QUOTE (Sren) |
Crimson, BA, what about you guys. Two-player games are a little hard to plan if I don't know what you guys are up to. Soo, character plans for Christmas in Seattle (in 2055). Your first christmas...
|
You know what Horizon is good at, and you know what Diamond is good at. That's what they want to do.
You know what Swoop is good at, and I already posted his new Influence scam. Don't know when he'll try that. Course, Christmas IS when all the bleeding hearts come out of the woodwork.
You know what Han wants to do in his downtime. He doesn't care what kind of run he goes on, except that he doesn't want to hijack another Food Lion truck for a case of Twinkies.
He asks Horizon to spot something a little more lucrative - worthy of our talents!
OOC: I hope the Ronin responds by Thursday.
Sren
Aug 9 2006, 02:50 AM
BA, The gameathon is the 19th to 20th. Its a charity event, details can be found here if the owner gets them up soon:
http://www.gamesandstuffonline.com/events.asp (scroll down to the 19th for date and time, but details aren't posted yet). I believe its $30. My two game groups down here havn't decided what they're going to do yet. Last year, we played 4 diffrent DnD games.
The store doesn't host specific games, its just a charity event and an excuse to spend a full 24 hours playing RPGs (or card games or board games). The groups I play with will claim a couple tables, and three or four players will take turns GMing (different campaigns). Most of the people in each group I game with are GMing a different campaign.
You hear from our wayward scarlet samuria?
crimson ronin
Aug 9 2006, 08:43 PM
hey guys sorry for the hiatus i shall try and make my grand return this saturday! barring illness
De Badd Ass
Aug 10 2006, 01:36 AM
QUOTE (crimson ronin) |
i shall try and make my grand return this saturday! |
Good News!
Anything special you wanna do? Last time we killed the Atzlan vampire that wanted the orb. Previously, we joined a gang. We hijacked a convoy, and now we have an auto-cannon. Maybe Horizon can figure out how to use it. The rest of us haven't given it much thought except for a couple of bull sessions where we talked about recoil, pop-up turrets, and Puff the Magic Dragon.
crimson ronin
Aug 10 2006, 08:53 PM
maybe ferret out some rivals gangs or enemies of whomever were aligned with to up our status or hit an atzlan base i dont really care i wont think of anything too fantastic so as to not cause a fuss
dionysus
Aug 15 2006, 05:45 AM
I know this is probably late, but have room for another? I'm new to shadowrun, never heard of it before SR4, but itching to play. I'm in Hyattsville, so probably not too far from you guys.
Sren
Aug 17 2006, 10:38 PM
We've got room for another dionysus, so feel free to stop by. I might not be ready to add you next time (Next meeting is the 26th), but find my character generation guidlines earlier in this thread, and make a couple characters. I strongly suggest making at least one of the characters magical because this is a high karma game, which makes the non-magical characters feel left behind.
Oh, and add 150 karma to the character after its created... The only limitation is that you can only initiate once, and only have only been taught masking (if you initiate). Even with all of the karma, I don't think any of the characters have more than three grades of initiation (is that right SWOOP?).
I'll work on adding you in without just handwaving it, but the characters are in the midst of burning down a building (maybe) that houses agents of their former masters (and your, presumably "former" masters).
dionysus
Aug 18 2006, 03:58 PM
Much thanks. I'll look at the character guidelines, and hopefully see you the 26th.
EDIT: I assmue 6pm is still your start time?
De Badd Ass
Aug 18 2006, 11:53 PM
QUOTE (dionysus) |
Much thanks. I'll look at the character guidelines, and hopefully see you the 26th.
EDIT: I assmue 6pm is still your start time? |
That's good news! Looking forward to the 26th. Our default start time is 4PM; usually we don't actually start playing until most everybody shows up.
QUOTE (Sren) |
I don't think any of the characters have more than three grades of initiation (is that right SWOOP?). |
Correct.
Sren
Aug 22 2006, 03:06 AM
Woo Hoo. A friend got me a copy of street magic at GenCon. I'm very happy. Haven't been able to read much of it yet, but its quite good. Expect to see much of its material used...

Whose planning to be there this weekend.
Recapp for those who weren't there last week:
A group of gangers needed help hitting a bike dealers, and since you guys are in the gang, and haven't added much to the gangs coffers yet this month, you got voted to help them. The other gangers turned out to be vampires, planning to use the botched robbery to cover up your murders... I didn't say they were smart vampires...
You guys checked otu there living quarters, which showed signs of recent turning (blood in all their beds, you've seen them in sunlight recently, one turned out to have magical ability, and you were certain that the gang didn't have any magical kids in it when you got there). Spirits were used to track the vampire to survived the robbery to a ruined building near the glow city section of the barrens. There are dead bodies on the first floor, and an astral trip into the basement shows aroud 30 people, some of which are vampires. You haven't checked the upper floors.
The current plan is to burn the building down while the sun is up.
crimson ronin
Aug 22 2006, 10:56 AM
i plan on being there
De Badd Ass
Aug 24 2006, 01:02 AM
QUOTE (crimson ronin) |
i plan on being there |
Me, too.
dionysus
Aug 24 2006, 03:30 AM
I will come by, with some characters ready for overview, and hopefully meet everybody.
damaleon
Aug 24 2006, 08:46 PM
I should be there too. I get back from a business trip on Friday.
crimson ronin
Aug 24 2006, 09:01 PM
looks like well make short work of the bad guys!
De Badd Ass
Aug 24 2006, 09:31 PM
QUOTE (dionysus) |
I will come by, with some characters ready for overview, and hopefully meet everybody. |
I hope Sren figures out a way that you can start this week. Be prepared for a long session. We play until Other Realms closes, usually around 1:00 AM.
You might want to send Sren your characters in advance, in a private message. Make sure to mention it in the forum if you do - tell him to check his messages.
Welcome aboard.
dionysus
Aug 25 2006, 09:31 PM
Whoops...this weekend just got way busier than I had expected (just started a new job, a leak in the bathroom....you know how it goes), so I'm going to have to call off. Sren, I will send characters in a PM this weekend, hopefully. Sorry for the late notice, good luck with the baddies.
De Badd Ass
Aug 28 2006, 02:14 AM
"The things I forget in the heat of battle could get us killed one day," says Swoop. "Next time we run into another rampaging blood spirit, remind me to BANISH IT!!!
"Oh well, All's well that ends well, I guess."
OOC: I could have rolled 14 dice (or 19 w/ edge), against 12 for the blood spirit, in an opposed test.
crimson ronin
Aug 28 2006, 02:56 AM
speaking of which of all things horizon has not been using the right dice ive been ommiting some
damaleon
Aug 29 2006, 12:33 AM
Okay, for Sledge, went with Cursed 3, Aspected Conjuror, and was thinking Sun for a mentor spirit (Fire spirit and combat spell bonuses) or Dragon (manipulation and negotiation). With karma I will remove 1 level of Cursed, up magic to 3, learn Conjuring group at 2 and astral combat of 1. I figure learning to summon a spirit has less chances of screwing me than casting a spell 2 or 3 times in combat, especially when one 1 results in a glitch.
crimson ronin
Aug 29 2006, 01:02 AM
terry are we still using the (if you didnt use it you cant raise it rule) neither of my char really saw action(blame noone but myself) but as theyre nicheness if kinda filled id like to raise theyre edge if im allowed
Sren
Aug 29 2006, 03:03 AM
Crimson,
You can always raise edge... I mean, not needing it is getting lucky, isn't it?
Have you guys decided what to keep and what to sell? you can get 50% for the foci from the AZ talismonger. She doesn't pay up front, though, so it takes a month to get you the cash (since you guys spent a couple months initiating and working on the building, that shouldn't be a problem).
For the new building, It's going to take two months of dedicated work to clean the taint, and 200,000 nuyen worth of magical materials to aspect it towards hermetic magicians: This INCLUDEDS two complete hermetic libraries (force 12 lodges), cleaning up and painting the building, hiring people on the cheap to fix the internal problems, and all associated costs for making a dozen of the ground floor appartments fully liveable (except for lack of utilities), and turning the basement into a large ritual area (removing non-load-bering walls, symbols written in glowing paint, and otherwise turning it into a hermetic paradise), and shielding the basement from the messy background radiatioon in the area.
You have a generator, which could more than supply your needs. Getting water isn't out of reach either. If one of your contacts could buy a water tank, you could use that to supply the building with semi-normal water. If someone suggests that you get a gas tank or gas utility connection, the fire elementals summoned regularly by the dwarf cheer with appreciation...
A 15,000 gallon tank (we'll call this a one-month supply until I get some time to research) will cost fifty to sixty thousand nuyen to purchase, then you have to figure out where to put it (they come on wheels so they can be towed or parked).
What do you guys do to earn more money in downtime? Any activities that may earn more contacts? More to come from me, we have the bartender and dockworker for downtime fun, plus any downtime actions you guys have. The time is christmas 2055. You have at least six months before something else happens, possibly eighteen months... what do you guys do during downtime? How do you participate in gang activity? (or do you) Do you work at turning your four existing hideouts into good living quarters (vs. the just barely passable living quarters they are now)? Do you do anythign to join the shadow community (I know, there's not much we can do on-line to join the propper shadow community, but maybe you'll surprise me). Do you try to get another contact or two (and how)? Do you want to purchase anything restricted? Do you do any research I should know about (and how to you perform such research)?
I'll try to post again with business opportunities form the dock worker (what was hsi name again?) and the troll bartender (did I ever give him a name?). I'll try to map out the buildings you guys have squatted in.
crimson ronin
Aug 29 2006, 09:16 PM
thx for reply id ask the bartender/and bouncer if they had any trouble with any customers they can call, also spend some time checking the rest of the known gang making sure they arent vampires(easily making sure they touch wood or otherwise)i assume we can gather proof of theyre existence from what was left of our battle to show the baron ..........check and secure a perimeter around our new building approx 2 miles....maybe the bartender guy or dock guy can help us with supplies to make our new place more livable....out of the surplus list i got sent horizon wants the 7 clips of apds rifle ammo and anothe rgun kit and one of the aforementioned xm30 thingys interchangeable gun diamond wants another 2 first aid kits a riot shield and 2 more pistols and 4 clips of whatever
De Badd Ass
Aug 30 2006, 02:54 AM
QUOTE (Sren) |
Have you guys decided what to keep and what to sell? you can get 50% for the foci from the AZ talismonger. She doesn't pay up front, though, so it takes a month to get you the cash ... For the new building, It's going to take two months of dedicated work to clean the taint, and 200,000 nuyen worth of magical materials to aspect it towards hermetic magicians.... |
Swoop produces a list of surplus magic items valued at 1,000,000

. He submits it to the other members for approval. He recommends that everyone cross off any items they even
think they might could use one day.
Swoop also suggests putting together a team to negotiate a better deal with the talismonger. He recommends offering to accept store credit instead of cash. Derric and Serric have already figured out we need about 200,000

worth just to clean up our latest real estate acquisition.
QUOTE (Sren) |
...If one of your contacts could buy a water tank, you could use that to supply the building with semi-normal water. If someone suggests that you get a gas tank or gas utility connection, the fire elementals summoned regularly by the dwarf cheer with appreciation... A 15,000 gallon tank (we'll call this a one-month supply until I get some time to research) will cost fifty to sixty thousand nuyen to purchase, then you have to figure out where to put it (they come on wheels so they can be towed or parked). |
Han can't believe the dwarf said that. He replies,"15,000 gallons is HUGE! What would we do with all that gas? At 20 MPG we could get 300,000 miles per tankful!"
Han thinks again, and backtracks a bit. "The generator uses 4 gallons/hour to produce 50 KW. With a 3,000 gallon diesel tank that sucker could run flat out 24-7 for a month. Course, I wouldn't recommend that. We'd have to shut down for preventive maintenance once per week, and perform an overhaul every month. If we plan to be here permanently, I would recommend getting two smaller stationary diesel generators. They are more efficient, and better designed for 24-7 operation; and with two we could perform maintenance on one while the other continues to operate.
"Or we could just get one, and use the portable to supply extra power during peak demand periods, and while we perform maintenance on the stationary generator.
"So, would your spirits be happy with a 3,000 gallon diesel tank buried in the back yard?"
Swoop butts in, "I think he was talking about a 15,000 gallon WATER tank. The city of Seattle performed studies around the beginning of the milennium, and calculated Daily Per-Capita Indoor Water Use at around 70 gallons. They figured water conscious people could cut that down to 50 gallons using moderate conservation methods. That's 350 - 500 gallons/week for each of us. A 15,000 gallon water tank would be perfectly reasonable, except you are partly right about one thing. While 15,000 gallons is not HUGE, it is frikken HEAVY - over 60 tonnes! A standard water delivery truck holds 4,000 gallons. No matter what size tank we get, the most we can get delivered would be 4,000 gallons at a time.
"The X factor - the big question - is how many people do we expect to house in this building?" Swoop starts thinking aloud, "I wonder if we could come up with a magical solution?" He wanders off pondering that.
QUOTE (Sren) |
... Do you work at turning your four existing hideouts into good living quarters (vs. the just barely passable living quarters they are now)? |
Han yells at Swoop, "Come back! You can't just lay this on us, and then walk away. This is getting really complicated, really fast!"
Swoop replies, "You got that right! That's why I walked away. First thing, we gotta decide why we want this place, and how we want to use it. We need to do that before we make any plans to fix it up.
"Second - or maybe this should be first - I think Horizon has a good idea. We need to check and secure a perimeter. Find out who and what are in the neighborhood and surrounding buildings. I don't know about two miles. That's a lot of perimeter!
"I think we should do these two things before we start planning water deliveries and stuff"
QUOTE (Sren) |
Do you do anythign to join the shadow community (I know, there's not much we can do on-line to join the propper shadow community, but maybe you'll surprise me). |
Han suggests that we take a group photo one night in front of the bike dealership, dressed like we were the night of the heist. We can have Bob the bartender pass them around to any shadow contacts he has. Maybe someone who saw us on the news and is interested will contact us through him.
QUOTE (Sren) |
What do you guys do to earn more money in downtime? Any activities that may earn more contacts? ... You have at least six months before something else happens, possibly eighteen months... what do you guys do during downtime? How do you participate in gang activity? (or do you) ... Do you do anythign to join the shadow community ... Do you try to get another contact or two (and how)? Do you want to purchase anything restricted? Do you do any research I should know about (and how to you perform such research)? |
Swoop will participate in gang activity as required. Han will put in some extra effort. He wants to learn more about gang operations, and try to establish himself as one of the lieutenants. He wants to develop leadership skills, and recruit some followers within the gang.
Swoop is excited about the group's purchase of a force 12 hermetic library. He is always getting new ideas to research. Just today he got four:
*Can we build a magical water treatment plant to recycle water for this building?
*Can we remove the blood taint from foci? (We have 300,000 worth of tainted foci that could net us another 150,000 after cleansing>)
*Can we recruit other mages (and shamans) to help clean up this site? Swoop plans to do astral tours of the barrens looking for awaken characters. He hopes to make a street mage contact or two. He figures the more mages he contacts the more he can improve his meager social skills.
*Should we open up this site to others?
QUOTE (Sren) |
I'll try to post again with business opportunities form the dock worker (what was hsi name again?) and the troll bartender (did I ever give him a name?). I'll try to map out the buildings you guys have squatted in. |
Han keeps in touch with Ed Murphy, the dock worker, calling him every couple of days. Han also tries to further develop the contact, by engaging Ed in casual conversation and trying to learn personal details.
OOC:
Questions posed in this post to the GM:
* Can we negotiate a better deal with the talismonger?
* Who and what are in the area surrounding the building?
* Does anyone respond to our photo?
* Does Han make contact with any "promising" gang members?
* Does Swoop make any "Street" Mage contacts?
* Magical water recycling?
* Cleansing foci?
Questions to the players:
* Why do YOU want this building? What do YOU want to use it for?
* What about the other hideouts? Same questions.
More to come....
Sren
Aug 30 2006, 03:35 AM
First; yes, I was talking about a water tank... and IRL there are trailers that hold 12,000 gallons for around $50k. Yes, there's always work to do before finding a way to purchase this...
Whats around the new building?
The immidiate neighbors are empty buildings... well, there aren't any living occupants. Removing the bodies is part of the cleanup. Within a mile, there are around a hundred squatters, mostly severely handicapt people, all low on essense, but no signs of essense drain or cyberware. These are the people who couldn't flee. Otherwise, it is mostly abandonded appartments, a handfull of empty fields (once parks), and a couple convienient stores and gas stations. Between one and two miles, there are propably two or three hundred squatters. Sem-capable people. Not healthy, but mobile enough to spend their days wandering through garbage cansat the borders of glow city, then returning home at night. A quick astra search of the immediate area doesn't show much of interest. Most of the area is a wastland, and the radiation keeps most random people away. As long as you don't plan on spending years here, there radiation will have zero effect, but most folks don't take chances with such.
Magical water cleansing?
Only possible if you make a spell that does it, maybe enchant your own anchoring focus with that spell. Do you really want to drink your own pee, even after you magically purify it?
New contacts?
I'll need to think about those. Same with the photo.
The "blood" foci are simply stacked foci that stack power foci (IIRC) with spirit foci that are keyed to work with summoning blood spirits only (which requires three evil metamagic feats). There's nothing you can do to cleanse them because there aren't regular foci tainted with evil, they are foci created solely to conjure blood spirits. You can melt them down, and ritually cleanse the materials and use or sell them. (They're each worth about 10,000 nuyen for geomancy projects like the aspecting of the areas magic. You might be able to sell them for half that if you sell the separated base metals after metling them down).
That all for now, more to come, must get sleep...
De Badd Ass
Aug 30 2006, 02:41 PM
QUOTE (Sren @ Aug 28 2006, 11:03 PM) |
Do you do anythign to join the shadow community (I know, there's not much we can do on-line to join the propper shadow community, but maybe you'll surprise me). Do you try to get another contact or two (and how)? |
Han watches as Swoop and Vega carefully catalog the "loot" gathered after the groups most recent battle. He hems and haws before finally saying, "I've got an alternative use for that stuff. I don't know if it will work though. Wanna hear it?"
Swoop wanted to say, "Not now!" His recent training in manners led him to say, "We can take a five minute break", instead.
Han starts tentatively, "Back when we were in that jam with the dragon - the one with the orb, I did some reading about dragons on the net. I didn't come up with anything that would help us then."
Han pauses. Swoop sighs, "Okay."
Han continues, "I did read that a Great Dragon named Dunkelzahn had a thing against Atzlan."
Swoop tries to hurrry things up, "What kind of thing?"
Han says, "I never figured that out".
"Uh huh"
Han continues, "Anyhow, for some reason, this Dunkelzahn put a large bounty on blood-magic users. Maybe we could collect."
"Collect what?"
"Collect the bounty. We could contact the Draco Foundation, tell them we wiped out a nest of blood-magic users, and ask for the reward."
"Oh yeah, that'll work. They will believe us, and give us a medal".
Han agrees, "That's the tricky part alright. I figure we can take them the War mage IDs, and the tainted necklaces as proof. Plus, we know where the bodies are buried. We can explain about them being vampires. I don't know, but the bounty is 1,000,000

. I figure it is worth a shot."
Swoop says, "Yeah, a
real long shot! Course, Horizon makes long shots look easy

... 1,000,000

?" Swoop looks interested at last.
Han smiles, "I don't know how many bounties the 1,000,000

covers. But I figure, if word gets around that we tried to collect, then we might earn a reputation as bounty hunters!"
Swoop ponders, "Reputation, huh. I think the whole group needs to discuss this before you do anything. OTOH, I am tired of being dismissed as just a kid all the time."
OOC: What do Derric, Diamond, Horizon, Serric, Sledge, and Vega think about this?
Terry, does Hannibal earn that surprise Karma point?
damaleon
Aug 30 2006, 10:28 PM
I like that idea, but I don't think the Foundation is around until after Dunkie passes. Wasn't it created by his will? I doubt that Dunklezahn hides his dislike of Blood Mages, so there still could be a bounty for them and their stuff.
I modified my copy of the spreadsheet to show that Horizon has an XM30 kit and 7 clips of APDS ammo for it.
For the rest, it might just be easier to divy things up at the start of the next session, but I don't see any reason Horizon and Diamond can't take what the want. Personally, I think everyone should have a med kit on their person, with the highest rating going to those that have the skill, like Sledge and Diamond
Sren
Aug 31 2006, 02:34 AM
The bounty on blood mages is for live blood mages (and live toxic shamans), and doesn't publically exist until after Dunkie's death as it is paid by the DIMR. So selling those things is going to be hard (unless you find a blood mage interested in buying them).
Very few mages really know what a blood mage is, although knowledge of magical threats is increasing given the recent cleanup of the universal brotherhood (happened in 2055).
Ed Murphy contacts Han on the 19th with the followign offer: One container of Yamaha Growlers (new price: 5,500 nuyen). He has 23 (he's keeping one), and wants to sell them all for 25,000 nuyen. (let me know if you take it)
That's all he has right now, its christmas, and there's extra security to go along with the extra chaos and deliveries.
De Badd Ass
Sep 3 2006, 05:34 PM
QUOTE (Sren) |
The bounty on blood mages is for live blood mages (and live toxic shamans).... |
This is good to know if somewhat belated. Guess we'll have to wait until next time.
QUOTE (Sren) |
Ed Murphy contacts Han on the 19th with the followign offer: One container of Yamaha Growlers (new price: 5,500 nuyen). He has 23 (he's keeping one), and wants to sell them all for 25,000 nuyen. (let me know if you take it) |
Han asks Ed Murphy in the bikes come with papers. If not, then Han tells Ed that the Growlers could be hard to move without papers, and asks for a couple of days to try and come up with a source.
Han asks around at the gang hangouts if any of them know someone interested in purchasing a new Yamaha Growler.
Han tells Sledge he has a lead on some new Growlers. He asks Sledge to get in touch with his contact in the Chop Shop Gang, to see if they have a way to get papers, or know someone who might buy them.
Han also contacts The Baron and asks if he knows someone that can provide papers for some Yamaha Growlers, or someone interested in buying them without papers.
Finally,
One more thing... Han stops buy the outlet mall to see if Fred is interested in more Actioneer Business Suits. While there, he looks to see if he can find a store that sells Armored clothing.
OOC:
Questions posed to the GM:
* Can Ed Murphy provide papers with the Growlers? If not, can the Chop Shop Gang or the Baron obtain papers?
* Any gang members (or their friends) interested in a new Growler?
* Is the Baron interested in buying Growlers?
* Is the Chop shop interested in buying Growlers?
* Is Fred interested in more Actioneer Business suits?
* Can Han find outlet stores that sells armored clothing? Can he negotiate a deal with them?
Sren
Sep 3 2006, 08:15 PM
Ed can't provide papers for the bike, as they aren't shipped with pink slips in the saddle bags.
Many gane menbers are interested in nwe bikes, but they steal bikes, they don't pay for them, but they'd be more than happy to assist you in stealign them, or in accepting one for free.
The chop shop will pay 1,375 (25%) nuyen each for parts. If someone has the shop shop boss as a contact, you might be able to negotiate a higher price, or gt his assistence in finding buyers.
If someone actually takes the Baron as a contact, he may assist with both the chop shop boss or with finding other buyers.
The outlet store owner will still pay 500 nuyen (thats what you got before, right?) each for the armored business suits, and will pay 20% of the book value to armored clothes. He won't buy the armored jackets. What other type of armor are you sitting on from Ed? (I thought you had four different types of armor: suits, clothes, jackets, what was the other one, also, tell me if I'm misremembering something).
Obvious armor and weapons are items not typically sold in discount stores. The smugglers might be able to help you move that (who has the smugglers as contacts?). Serric (the dwarf) says he can get 30,000 nuyen from the smugglers for 200 of the armored jackets for their own use, and will pay 10% of the normal value for any other armor (other than business suits).
More to come when I get time. I plan of having Ed contact Han once a month with "deal of the moment". I need to know if you want the bikes before you get the next deal offer.
Sren
Sep 3 2006, 08:20 PM
Crimson (and everyone else),
I believe the enhanced skill power for adepts is limited to 50% of the skill rating. However...
EVERYONE
What do you guys think of increasing the limit allowed for skill bonuses being raised to the full skill rating? As a note, if you guys want the bonus cap increased, it will also apply to NPCs.
crimson ronin
Sep 3 2006, 09:31 PM
im fine with either though i favor making it equal to the skill rating it otherwise seems to make adepts less adept but now are we talking overall skill rating max or just the magic part? i assume just the magic part
damaleon
Sep 3 2006, 09:50 PM
I have no problem with making it Skill Rating instead of Half Skill Rating.
Sledge has the chop shop boss (2/2) and one of the smuggler mechanics (1/1) as contacts (both need names, either from you or me), and is perfectly willing to talk to them on Han's behalf.
I do think we should sell the extra magical foci for roughly 320K in money and supplies, and maybe a few more spells through Vega's Talismonger contact (and I figure as much business as we have done after this deal, I should be able to raise the loyalty rating from up from 1, to 3 maybe?) Is there a Negotiation test to increase our percentage? Can we get more if we trade for supplies instead of cash?
Looking at selling the Serpent Amulet w/ 2 Rubies (Power 4), 7 out of 8 Oric. Knives (Wea. 3), all 4 of the Oric. and Ruby rings (Combat 2), and the dead Vamp's 4/4 focus (if she will take it, wont hide what it is, but wont say it right out either). If she doesn't want the 4/4 focus (and I wouldn't blame her still being in Aztlan and all), does she know of someone in Seattle that would be interested in buying it?
Vega wouldn't mind taking the Baron as a contact. What would the Connection/Loyalty rating be? (I assume Loyalty would be 1, maybe 2 since we are part of the gang).
Can Vega also study the upgraded Pilot program of the sports car and see if he can upgrade the van or sedan, or would that require additional hardware?
Given that he is probably of little use once the building is cleaned up, how much time would he have to work on creating basic programs, like an agent to run searches through (legal ones), so he doesn't have to do it all himself. It's also something Han might be able to assist with, when he isn't wheeling and dealing.
De Badd Ass
Sep 4 2006, 12:44 AM
QUOTE (Sren) |
Ed can't provide papers for the bike, as they aren't shipped with pink slips in the saddle bags. Many gane menbers are interested in nwe bikes, but they steal bikes, they don't pay for them, but they'd be more than happy to assist you in stealign them, or in accepting one for free. The chop shop will pay 1,375 (25%) nuyen each for parts. If someone has the shop shop boss as a contact, you might be able to negotiate a higher price, or gt his assistence in finding buyers. If someone actually takes the Baron as a contact, he may assist with both the chop shop boss or with finding other buyers. The outlet store owner will still pay 500 nuyen (thats what you got before, right?) each for the armored business suits, and will pay 20% of the book value to armored clothes. He won't buy the armored jackets. What other type of armor are you sitting on from Ed? (I thought you had four different types of armor: suits, clothes, jackets, what was the other one, also, tell me if I'm misremembering something). Obvious armor and weapons are items not typically sold in discount stores. The smugglers might be able to help you move that (who has the smugglers as contacts?). Serric (the dwarf) says he can get 30,000 nuyen from the smugglers for 200 of the armored jackets for their own use, and will pay 10% of the normal value for any other armor (other than business suits). More to come when I get time. I plan of having Ed contact Han once a month with "deal of the moment". I need to know if you want the bikes before you get the next deal offer. |
Han puts in the effort (and karma) to make the Baron a contact. (OOC: What is the Barons connection rating?). Does the baron come up with anything immediately? If not, Han figures that 25% from the chop shop is acceptable considering the quick turnaround. He attempts to negotiate a final price of 23k

for the paperless bikes with Ed Murphy. He will then give Ed the extra 2k

with a smile, hoping to increase Ed's loyalty rating to 2 (Paying the appropriate karma of course).
Armor is listed on the Misc Gear sheet of the file I prepared. Han only has 100 new Armor Jackets, and he would like to get at least 20k

(slightly less than 25%) for them. He is willing to throw in the 14 "used" jackets for free (if the rest of the group agrees).
Han will lose money on the 500 Armor Vests at 10%. He figures additional compensation is required - perhaps a smuggling deal. Is there anything the group wants smuggled in, or do the smuggler's have something to trade? Han asks Sledge to do some negotiating. Han would trade the vests for a cyberdeck in a heartbeat. He figures a CMT Avatar would be a fair trade, or even 2 Novatech Hyperdecks (
OOC: Those are 3rd edition decks at 3rd edition prices.)
Edit: Swoop suggests to Han that he try looking for Military surplus stores, or gun stores that sells armor. Han thinks this is a good idea. That's what he'll do if he can't trade the vests for cyberdecks or other useful gear.
OOC: A deal per month sounds good!
Hans current charisma is 4, and his current influence is 3.
Questions posed to the group:
* Is the group willing to "give" the "used" armor to the smugglers?
* Will Sledge let Han accompany him in his negotiations - and assist?
Questions posed to the GM:
* What is the connection rating of the Baron?
* Does the Baron come up with immediate buyers, or a source for papers?
* Does Ed Murphy accept 23k

for the bikes?
* What deal can Sledge negotiate for the jackets and vests?
* Can the smugglers get Cyberdecks? Han will assist Sledge in that negotiation (if Sledge is okay with that), and even spend a point of edge if allowed.
* Please name the talismonger, chop shop boss, and smuggler.
* Can Han find a military surplus store that sells armored vests? What kind of deal can he make?
De Badd Ass
Sep 4 2006, 01:00 AM
QUOTE (Sren) |
if you guys want the bonus cap increased, it will also apply to NPCs. |
OF COURSE IT WILL!!!
I am not sure what this discussion is about, and it doesn't affect my characters except for its effect on the NPCs.
On this topic, I give my proxy to Ronin. I'll vote whichever way he finally decides.
De Badd Ass
Sep 4 2006, 02:32 AM
QUOTE (damaleon) |
Looking at selling the Serpent Amulet w/ 2 Rubies (Power 4), 7 out of 8 Oric. Knives (Wea. 3), all 4 of the Oric. and Ruby rings (Combat 2), and the dead Vamp's 4/4 focus (if she will take it, wont hide what it is, but wont say it right out either). If she doesn't want the 4/4 focus (and I wouldn't blame her still being in Aztlan and all), does she know of someone in Seattle that would be interested in buying it? Vega wouldn't mind taking the Baron as a contact....
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The Serpent Amulet w/ 2 Rubies is power 6, and Swoop doesn't want to sell that right now. He suggests selling 2 of the plain Serpent Amulets, saving one for Sledge - unless Derric or Serric are actually going to bond to these foci.
Swoop also suggests that Sledge select one of the weapon foci for himself (Swoop decides to set aside one of the rating 4 knives for himself), and sell the rest (again unless Derric or Serric are going to bond to these).
Swoop is not interested in a combat focus. He suggests that Sledge select one of the foci for himself, and sell the rest (same caveat).
Swoop also suggests that we not sell any of the magic items until we decide what items we might want to trade for, and we don't have to sell them all at once unless we really need the cash.
Swoop plans to summon and bind some spirits, and figures all the mages should do the same. Swoop would like to place an initial order for 50,000

in binding materials for himself, and suggests that all the mages chime in with their requirements.
Swoop would also like to splurge on the best Hermetic Library (minimum rating 10) that the talismonger can provide, so that he can study Arkana and later Enchanting. He can also increase his magical knowledge.
damaleon
Sep 4 2006, 03:39 AM
Sren, is this power site in Glow City, or on the edge of it, so we wouldn't need to worry about radiation?
Sren
Sep 4 2006, 04:25 AM
BA: If you guys choose to pay to resculpt the area to aspect the magic towards you, then you will have TWO rate 12 lodges (for hermetics, the lodges take the form of libraries), so you won't need to purchase more.
If anyone's curious as to why you need two libraries...
1) To aspect a domain, you need to resculpt the area in the domain to represent what you are aspecting it towards. In this case, you need hermetic paraphernalia, you ned to clean the area of trash, paint the buildings basic colors (or clean the brick or stone facades, if any), have small hermetic symbols painted or chiseled in appropriate places, have plenty or lab space and ritual space, and keep an ordered or disciplined appearance.
2) Libraries are part of the hermetic stereotype, so they make easy ways to present a hermetic atmosphere, and the mages doing the work of aspecting want to have more books around. So you didn't go to mage-mart and buy two libraries; you went on a scavenger hunt to find as much interesting mage-lore research material to make your library, and ended up with enough material to have two libraries (increasing you library's rating beyond 12 will be next to impossible because finding research material that you don't already have (somewhere) will be difficult).
3) The GM decided 200k was a good price, and decided that a library or two worth of books was a good description, and happened to be useful and in character for half the group to want anyways.
Sren
Sep 4 2006, 04:31 AM
As for the radiation...
You're on the edge of glow city, and radiation is a concern for most people, whether real or imagined, very few people live in the area, and even fewer in the Seattle government care to clean it up. I believe I mentioned it in an ealier post; but to aspect the power, you had to better shield the basement for clean ritual space. IF you want to know if you should worry, you'll need to do better than first aid for a skill roll (will require multiple rolls to detect the radiation, interpret what you detect, and determine what effect it can have on you).
There are plenty of rumors about mutated people wandering around the area, but no real picture or two-headed rats and people growing a little brother out of their stomachs, but you can find plenty of stories about similar things.
De Badd Ass
Sep 4 2006, 05:00 AM
QUOTE (Sren) |
As for the radiation... You're on the edge of glow city, and radiation is a concern for most people.... IF you want to know if you should worry, you'll need to do better than first aid for a skill roll (will require multiple rolls to detect the radiation, interpret what you detect, and determine what effect it can have on you). |
Han will try to rent or buy a Geiger counter, other radiation detection gear, and protective clothing. He also figures that street docs near glow city might know something about radiation, so he tries to locate some.
OOC: What does "better than first aid for a skill roll" mean?
crimson ronin
Sep 4 2006, 11:42 AM
i think he means first aid dont cover radiation burns/sickness
Sren
Sep 4 2006, 04:34 PM
Street docs don't have web pages, and rarely advertise their place of business. They depend on word of mouth to bring customers to them (wouldn't want too many violent criminals to know where you keep all the valuable drugs...). So, how do you find one (who do you ask)?
As a note, anyone with assensing can determine someones state of health with enough successes, so you guys do have a way of checking yourselves to see if you're getting too much radiation.
Anyways, a geiger counter can tell you that there's radiation in the area (how do you buy one, wal-mart doesn't carry one, do they?), but you need more significant sensors to determine what type of radiation (or research what type it should be if its just the reactor meltdown causing whatever you find).
A logic+medicine roll will tell you how dangerous what you find is, and what to do if you get too much radiation.
Sren
Sep 4 2006, 05:03 PM
You've made lots of money on the armor, so its not reasonable to think you're losing money on the vests at 10% (I pretty sure I charged you way less than 10% for the entire container of armor). But any customer you find for the vests isn't going to pay very much because they are inferior to other armor in just about every way (you'd only use a vest if it was the only real armor available). You can find a couple "survivalist" stores that are interested, but only in 100 vest's total. Have Han make a negotiation test and I'll tell you what they offer (one test for both).
If someone with a smuggler contact withes to make a negotiation test against a smuggler to increase the price, please tell me. But the dwarf can get you 15k for the 100 jackets you have if you're interested (that's slightly more than 15%).
Yes, Han can increase Ed's loyalty to 2, yes Han can buy the bikes for 23k plus a 2k tip. the Baron is a connection 2 contact. Max loyalty for him right now is 1. (Anyone can purchase him as a contact).
If someone has the baron as a contact, he can help with the chop shop owner for a cut. Make a negotiation check against the baron (from whoever takes him as a contact).
If you guys sell her several power foci, Sledge can raise her loyalty rating to 2.
The smugglers don't have any cyberdecks to trade right now. They mainly deal in survival supplies: weapons, armor, light vehicles, medicine, clothing and food. Much of there business is between the caribbean league and AZ rebels, with stops in Seattle to pick up supplies.
I'll get back with you on names... (2 smugglers, AZ talismonger, chop shop boss, did I miss anything (the dwarf has a smuggler contact, just a grunt worker/sailor, not a mechanic)).
De Badd Ass
Sep 4 2006, 07:45 PM
QUOTE (Sren) |
You've made lots of money on the armor, so its not reasonable to think you're losing money on the vests at 10% (I pretty sure I charged you way less than 10% for the entire container of armor). But any customer you find for the vests isn't going to pay very much because they are inferior to other armor in just about every way (you'd only use a vest if it was the only real armor available). You can find a couple "survivalist" stores that are interested, but only in 100 vest's total. Have Han make a negotiation test and I'll tell you what they offer (one test for both). If someone with a smuggler contact withes to make a negotiation test against a smuggler to increase the price, please tell me. But the dwarf can get you 15k for the 100 jackets you have if you're interested (that's slightly more than 15%). Yes, Han can increase Ed's loyalty to 2, yes Han can buy the bikes for 23k plus a 2k tip. the Baron is a connection 2 contact. Max loyalty for him right now is 1. (Anyone can purchase him as a contact). If someone has the baron as a contact, he can help with the chop shop owner for a cut. Make a negotiation check against the baron (from whoever takes him as a contact). If you guys sell her several power foci, Sledge can raise her loyalty rating to 2. The smugglers don't have any cyberdecks to trade right now. They mainly deal in survival supplies: weapons, armor, light vehicles, medicine, clothing and food. Much of there business is between the caribbean league and AZ rebels, with stops in Seattle to pick up supplies. I'll get back with you on names... (2 smugglers, AZ talismonger, chop shop boss, did I miss anything (the dwarf has a smuggler contact, just a grunt worker/sailor, not a mechanic)). |
OOC: Han gets 2 successes on the negotiation roll with the survivalists (Roll 1).
Han gets 4 successes on the negotiation roll with the smugglers (Roll 2).
Han gets 2 successes on the negotiation roll with Ed Murphy (Roll 3).
Han gets 3 successes on the negotiation roll with The Baron (Roll 4).
IC: Han sells the "features" of the armor vest. These vests are designed to be worn under normal clothes. Wear it to that dinner party. A vest is less restrictive than an armor jacket (ooc: the "average" character - body 3 - suffers encumbrance with a jacket but not with a vest). The vest leaves arms free when working. These vests normally sell for 600

. All I'm asking is 150

. You can sell them for as low as 300

, and double your money. These are "1st quality", brand new vests.
Too bad, the smugglers don't deal in cyberdecks. When Han learns about the items they do deal in, he tries to get them interested in the Growlers.
QUOTE (Sren) |
Street docs don't have web pages, and rarely advertise their place of business. They depend on word of mouth to bring customers to them (wouldn't want too many violent criminals to know where you keep all the valuable drugs...). So, how do you find one (who do you ask)? As a note, anyone with assensing can determine someones state of health with enough successes, so you guys do have a way of checking yourselves to see if you're getting too much radiation. Anyways, a geiger counter can tell you that there's radiation in the area (how do you buy one, wal-mart doesn't carry one, do they?), but you need more significant sensors to determine what type of radiation (or research what type it should be if its just the reactor meltdown causing whatever you find). |
Han asks various people on the street around the site where they go when the need a doctor. He'll offer some a 5 or a 10 spot - whatever a meal costs these days. He'll also ask for the location of the nearest mission, and go there to locate a doctor. (ooc: 0 successes on the etiquette roll - roll 5).
Han figures he can buy a geiger counter at the same survivalist shops that sell armor vests. (ooc: he is looking for something like this:
Portable Geiger Counter and Radiation Detector). He'll try to negotiate the price of the detector, a gonad shield, and a thyroid apron as a discount from the price of vests. (ooc: 1 success - roll 6).
If Han can't get the detector from the survivalists, then he will try to get it online - through his bartender friend.
If Han finds a survivalist that seems willing to deal, he will mention that he sometimes acquires "slightly used" weapons like sliverguns, predators, AKs, XM30s, etc. - also misc. gear like satcomms, riot shields, etc. He will try to sell the surplus gear (ooc: 5 successes - roll 7)
Swoop will assense the group individually to see how much exposure they have already suffered. He will also assense some of the local residents to get an idea about long term effects. He'll do a basic net search to determine if what he finds is the expected result of a reactor meltdown. He will also search for other likely causes. He'll ask Vega and Han for assistance as needed.
Sren
Sep 5 2006, 02:06 AM
BA
The survivalist's will give you 15,000 for 100 vests. But they don't have the room for more than that. Although they are interested in any of the more interesting stuff you have though. They'll pay 35% of the new price for pistols, and 50% each for "like-new" sniper/hunting rifles. They don't touch bigger things unless you take one as a contact (not willing to risk too much trouble by dealing in automatic weapons unless they really know you, Han's five successes tells him that he's interested in combat gear, but suspicious of Han, but if Han spends some time getting to know the guy, maybe he'll get to trust you. They're each only worth connection or loyalty 1 right now, if you guys get one as a contact, you might be able to make them more valuable members of the shadow community, and hence raise their connection value).
The smuggler's will give up 22,000 for the 100 vests.
Ed will sell the bikes for 23k, but you can't raise his contact rating unless you give him the 2k tip.
The Baron can do a better job selling the bikes and smoothing it over with the chop shop. After the Baron's involvement, he can sell seven bikes for 50%, and convince the hop shop to pay 30% for the rest, but he expects you to give him one for himself for his troubles.
The survivalist's shops have a couple used geiger counters, and since you're rich, they want 2,000 nuyen each (1,200 if you take one as a contact). (They did just pays several thousand for some vests).
With all of the magical characters assensing the characters, no one seems to be suffering from radiation.
There are no missions in glow city, and most such places closed up recently in the wake of the universal brotherhood (I believe much of that happened in '55, right?) and the associated suspicion that many such places in the barrens suffered, including significant violence around places that MAY have had bug influence. The inner city places have reopened, but are shy away from awakened characters. If Han wanders into the inner city (I'll assume he does), he can get some basic information about what symptoms to look for, and give some advice on how to protect himself (drink red wine, get away from glow city).
The geiger counter doesn't show any serious danger.
damaleon
Sep 5 2006, 02:30 AM
Can Vega go along with Han to the survivalist's and pick him up as a contact, or help out with the negotiations?