Well I have a product that I have wanted to put out for years for myself. At this point in my life It would be easier for me to drop 10k to have someone else write the rest of it than find the time myself however. So I was trying to guestimate how much it would cost me to get someone to finish it. I know who I want, I can probably get him, but I dont want it to be a favor for a friend I want to pay him well.

My contract gives me a dozen donuts per project.

Wait. ... Is that a good thing?

I haven't read the rest of the thread yet, so if someone's already answered this, forgive the double-post.

Professional payrates, per the Science Fiction & Fantasy Writers of America, are considered to be .05 cents per word (or the equivalent of). CGL is a semi-pro market (semi pros pay between .01 to .049 cents a word).

CGL doesn't have a single rate. Payment is based on the project and the project's budget. But if you go over word count, you don't get any additional money, which is par for the course in most fiction writing.

Not quite.

Flash fiction 100-1000 words
Short story 1000 - 7499 words
Novelette 7500 - 17,499 words
Novella 17,500 - 40,000 words
Novel ... Depends on the genre. SF&F starts at 70,000 and goes up to 120,000 (with best selling authors getting as many words as they want).



Not true anymore. @=) There are markets paying more than that, and up to .25 cents a word for SF&F. They are far and few between, but they do exist. I just submitted to one. Of course, there are markets that pay nothing at all for your work. I believe the guys who do Knights of the Dinner Table accept writing for their mag that isn't always paid for (you just get a copy of the mag). I could be misremembering, though.



Non-fiction is mostly the same. Your pro markets pay either flat fees for articles (that can be divided by word count down to .05 or more cents a word) and semi-pro gets the rate I listed in another post. Or you can have your non-paying markets. Or, if it's a big memoir or biography, advance and royalties once the advance earns out.

Flat fees per projects are common in fiction, non-fiction and RPG markets. Additionally, it's becoming more common in fiction markets to pay pro-rata royalties (a percentage of a percentage) for anthologies and other "joint" works rather than per word or per project.

EDIT: I apologize. I didn't see this topic was supposed to be moved to another thread until after I posted. Do mods want me to move this?

Write/update the outline. Generate target word counts based on what you've already written and by analyzing some of the game books that are influential to you. The run it by the person you want to hire. Preferably hire someone who has developed/edited entire books. Pay them some money to appraise the work you've done, your outline, and to submit a revised outline/proposal for finishing the work.

Vodka and Mt Dew. Especially Vodka and Mt Dew Livewire (I call that an Electric Screwdriver ).

Capt Morgans SPiced Rum and Mt Dew: Typhoon was really awesome too, but Typhoon lost the Dewmocracy challenge and is impossible to find now

Bull

Sailor Jerry > Captain Morgan. Especially tasty with the Dole Pineapple/Orange/Banana juice.

I like to think of it as Kungaloosh.

So, with the case a) turned over to another judge and b) given a continuance until october....I am thinking that it is looking more and more likely that
CGL is going to win the case. Because, I would think, the longer it takes, the greater the liklihood that 1)Coleman will be making more payments to CGL
for the co-mingled money and b) CGL will be making more money to make payments to the people on the petition.

The case was going to get passed to a different judge from the start, seeing as the last one was retiring. And the delay isn't that surprising, there are only so many slots that the case can get heard in and they had to adjust to the new judge.

As for this looking good for CGL, I can't think that letting them continue on like they are will reflect well on them. The quality of the current product is crap and they are out of past work and good will to ride on. Giving them more time and opportunity is basically giving them more rope to hang themselves with. For fans it's just longer that we have to wait for someone else to bring the line back in order and raise the quality of the product past what CGL is capable of.

Judge Overstreet just issued an order setting a trial date and deadlines, as follows:
- Trial October 14, 2010 at 9:30 am
- Parties using more than 10 exhibits need to submit them to chambers on October 12, 2010
- Proposed pre-trial order is due October 7, 2010
- Discovery must be completed by October 1, 2010

- Petitioner's brief is due 10 days before trial
- IMR's brief is due 5 days before trial
- Petitioner's may file a Reply 2 days before trial

Not sure when the briefs are actually due. Calendar dates would be October 4 for the Petitioners, October 9 for IMR and October 12 for the Petitioner's reply; however, the 9th is a Saturday. Either IMR's is pushed back to the following Monday (giving the Petitioners a really tight Reply turnaround), or the briefs are being counted out in work/court days. I've not read the local rules to see which scenario applies. I can dig into that later if people really want to know.



Judge Glover's retirement and the docket reallocation were announced on June 1st. Judge Overstreet's existing Ch. 7 & Ch. 13 cases were transferred to other judges as part of the reorganization, so there were surely clear dates on her calendar in July and August. And they previously felt they could go to trial on August 9th, so, yes, such a lengthy delay is somewhat surprising.

There could be discovery issues or other good reasons that make this the soonest practicable date from the Petitioner's perspective, or the two sides could still be working on a settlement and are giving themselves time to hammer out a deal. Pure speculation, but either one is considerably more likely than the lengthy delay having anything to do with the switch to Judge Overstreet.

Your "more rope to hang with" argument is terribly unpersuasive. Involuntary bankruptcies are difficult to secure in the first place and much, much less likely to succeed if they drag on interminably. As a general rule, time is on the debtor's side in these things and folks who want to push the involuntary petition want to move as quickly as reasonably possible.

I wasn't referring to the bankruptcy, I was referring only to CGL's inability to produce compelling and competent product.

I disagree. CGL produced Master's and Minions which has got to be the best world book I have read in 10 years.

Some of the Shadowrun stuff hasn't been exemplary sure, but every batch has its highs and lows.

BlueMax

I disagree. CGL produced Master's and Minions which has got to be the best world book I have read in 10 years.

Some of the Shadowrun stuff hasn't been exemplary sure, but every batch has its highs and lows.

BlueMax

The Shadowrun work lately has been dismal. In all honesty I can't speak to their other lines.

There were some errors in the PDF version of 6th World Almanac. I am sure the years with the same stuff in them
got caught before it went to print. Heck, I liked the 6wA...the time line portion reminds me ALOT of the the
Jihad stuff for Battletech, and, really, is a much better fit.

Not read through Corp Guide yet, so I cannot say much about it. Of course, we will not really see much about the
real quality of SR work until War! and Attitude come out. I think those are the first products developed entirely(or,
at least, mostly) under Hardy.

That's the key issue here. Past books have had errors, but not on the scale that I've run into recently. No one I know is buying 6WA, and I honestly don't care enough to pirate it, so I can't speak much to it. If it's anything like Spells and Chrome I really hope someone read it before sending it to the printers. Based on that history I can't be optimistic for his future work.

edit: Short version: Corp Guide's editing is cleaner than 6WA's.

Corp Guide was finished and at the printers before Sixth World Almanac was, Doc Chase.

Okay, the release schedule of half this crap is driving me crazy. Going back to edit posts. Again.

Edit: So how long has the damn .pdf been out?

Well, I'll be picking up the hard copy; that map is sexy.
That doesn't help you out though unless I find time to write a review...

I have to admit, I'd love a copy of that map. It's just not worth all the baggage right now.

If you wern't reffering to the bankruptcy why did you specifically refer to the court case?

I've been reading through 6WA piecemeal lately and actually I'm favorably impressed. I, like others, would have proffered more time and page space given to the atlas portion of it. However the historical section is useful, especially for handing to new players and letting the bridge the gap between player and character knowledge. It gives a nice in universe stanpoint on what's known. I should likely write a review for Drivethru.

I'm angling towards doing the same. I just need to stop being lazy.

If Jason would send me a physical copy I would gladly write a review where ever I could!

Hmmm . . . I shall ponder the terms of this generous bribe . . . er, offer . . .

Jason H.

Hell, I'd do that. I have about half-a-dozen reviews on RPG.net. I may not be the biggest fan of SR4.5, but I'm a fair reviewer and call it like I see it.

And yes, this is a serious offer. Would you subject one of your books to a tough review?

In all seriousness, I've got no problem with people sharing their honest opinions on books. I just don't know that I have spare copies to send around. But it's worth thinking about.

Jason H.

Would you review free stuff?

AS long as we are thinking about it... Count me in...

Tampa would have called themselves Tampa Bay since we already refer to the 5 counties surrounding the bay as the Tampa Bay Area. The people in St. Pete would have rioted if St. Pete was renamed just Tampa. I should write up some stuff for around here, it would certainly make a nice sized sprawl even by current metro size. Anyone know the best places to research what has already been written about Florida?

I should go on record as saying that I live in Tampa and therefor hate it with the passion of a thousand, thousand suns. Also, like everyone else in Tampa, we don't give a shit what the people in St. Pete think.

The real question, in 2070, will Fark still have a Florida tag?

BlueMax

Heheheh... Well......... Okay then...

I will now. Give me a few days, and I'll see what I can come up with.

Kewl beans. Love it or hate it, I appreciate it.

Fark will ALWAYS have a Florida tag because Florida will always house a disproportionate (per capita) level of idiots.

I think the destruction of New York sorted that out

Sorry I haven't gotten back to you. I've been embroiled in a nasty custody trial. I've read over PACKS, not I need to give it a trial by fire-- I plan on getting a few people together and seeing how long it takes to create characters using PACKS vs the traditional method.

I was wondering where you were with that.

Like I said, my apologies. I do plan on getting to it, as soon as life allows.

No rush. It's not like I'm paying you for it or anything. 'twould be unseemly to rush something being done for free, and any exposure is good exposure.
[/edit]Just use the newer one, Platinum and the proofers put a lot of good effort in on that.

You hate everywhere you've lived, don't you?

Berkeley was okay. I have very little bad to say about Portland or most of Massachusetts. Basically, I just hate the south. Tracks of the midwest. East coast. West closer lower than San Franisco. Upstate New York state.

Someone's never been to Austin...it's really nice except for the heat.

Always annoys me when I read about South Austin going more and more to shit in Shadowrun...first it was occupied with Auditorium Shores being used for clandestine meetings, but now everything south of the river is rubble.

BTW, the LAST bridge that would've been blown would've been the South Congress Bridge...the last thing you want to do is piss off Trustafarians and hippies around here and they throw a hissy fit anytime anyone THINKS about even looking at the bats funny.

And, y'know, being in Texas.

We don't mind when y'all that don't like it here stay out, actually. It suits us just as well as it suits you. It's when you come here and try to change it we get annoyed an' set to shootin' folks.

You people eat at Whataburger. Whataburger fer chrissakes. If it wasn't for Dublin Dr Pepper, I'd write y'all off as the third world nation of the US.

For what it's worth, I'm more of a Sonic's guy. Whataburger's only for when it's four in the morning and I'm driving home from a gaming session, and nothin' else is open.

But...hey. The Republic's gone solo before. Plenty of us would be fine with goin' it again.

I still remember my wife's shocked expression that Blue Bell ice cream wasn't available outside of Texas.

Anyway, pseudo back on topic, my friends and I have always disliked how Texas was treated (though I think that's the consensus for natives of any place detailed in SR) ...

Curious.
Most of the germany don't seem to mind about the way germany is being shown in shadowrun . .
I mean . . Bavaria has secceeded more or less and we got rid of all the religious nutjobs down there O.o

Dude, you're really off track.