Volker
Jun 18 2020, 04:27 PM
Yep, that seems about right
Gilga
Jun 18 2020, 05:42 PM
disguise rolls:
Disguisex4:
4#24d6t5 9 11 9 5I took 4 accidentally, so just take the last one-off. I think that the limit is 7 (Anna's mental limit) unless she gets aid with leadership then we'll have 8 hits per disguise.
Thanee
Jun 18 2020, 07:48 PM
I suppose we can take our existing (armored) business clothing as part of the disguise.
Bye
Thanee
Crossbow
Jun 19 2020, 02:23 AM
The only difference I would say is the that we need the ambulance too, especially if we are retrieving a corpse. That would put Sharkboy a little closer if we need him as the driver. I can't see a situation where Rabe can leave that place under his own power. He is either dead, or wishing he was. There isn't a corp in the world that would stuff a body in a duffel bag and dump him in a trunk, at least, not publicly.
[ Spoiler ]
I would make a joke about him fitting in the duffle, but that seems cold.
Volker
Jun 19 2020, 05:50 AM
Good point! I hadn't considered that!
Thanee
Jun 19 2020, 07:03 AM
Anna had suggested a Valkyrie module earlier.
Bye
Thanee
Jack_Spade
Jun 19 2020, 12:02 PM
Yeah, in that price range you can get a VM in your car, no problem.
Crossbow
Jun 20 2020, 03:34 AM
QUOTE (Jack_Spade @ Jun 19 2020, 08:02 AM)
Yeah, in that price range you can get a VM in your car, no problem.
Okay, I will ask the dumb question. What is a valkyrie module? Yes I will google it too
edit: Okay, now I know, still prefer having an ambulance as I do not want to share a limo with a corpse
Gilga
Jun 20 2020, 05:25 AM
but sharing an ambulance with a corpse is more pleasant somehow? Not that Anna would mind which car Eliza gets us.
Jack_Spade
Jun 20 2020, 08:02 AM
A Valkyrie Module is sealed - and you'd get a complimentary bodybag anyway
Volker
Jun 22 2020, 08:40 AM
Do I have to encrypt the file so that others wouldn't notice that the encryption is broken? Or is it only removed for bnc but otherwise still in place?
I am not sure anymore how you rule the log file to mask my breach.
Jack_Spade
Jun 22 2020, 10:11 AM
Once you break the encryption you can open and close the file freely, but the file is still encrypted, so no worries.
Breaking encryption is an attack action that should by raw alert the host.
I think I'll allow that action just be a Sleaze action and be done with it. No need for further house rules
Volker
Jun 22 2020, 11:02 AM
Ah, that's nice. So ... is bnc already finished?
Jack_Spade
Jun 22 2020, 12:59 PM
Not yet, the sin reader is a slaved device to which you now have a direct connection.
DR 5.
Securest way to make sure your SINs read as legitimate would be three MARKs and a format device test with rootkit program. That way your changes persist even after a restart.
Volker
Jun 22 2020, 05:17 PM
Do you mean bootstrap?
Jack_Spade
Jun 22 2020, 06:26 PM
Ah sorry, yes. Was away from books - it's Bootstrap
Thanee
Jun 23 2020, 02:10 PM
Pretty sure, we will need SINs or at least some forgeries that will hold up long enough.
Bye
Thanee
Jack_Spade
Jun 23 2020, 05:02 PM
Yes, but thanks to the rigged SIN reader, you can basically get any number approved - even an R1 will now suffice.
Volker
Jun 23 2020, 05:16 PM
If we can rely on them only using this SIN reader and no other means to control our SINs, that is.
Jack_Spade
Jun 23 2020, 06:47 PM
Well, you can always go back into the host and look for other verfication methods used there.
Thanee
Jun 23 2020, 10:11 PM
So, is there a way to make temporary IDs for us, that fit to our plan?
Bye
Thanee
Jack_Spade
Jun 24 2020, 05:21 AM
I assumed that you all have a low level, disposable SIN
But theoretically that wouldn't be necessary:
Even entering a random, bnc defined number now will show the desired results.
(I imagine the SIN reader to consist of a panel to enter the SIN by hand or as a QR code or per RFID, followed by a biometric reader for prints and face.)
As soon as the magic number is entered, the machine will display the defined Identity, no matter what other Input it received.
Gilga
Jun 24 2020, 10:01 AM
I did not write it in my sheet, but Abdecker did gave us R1 SINs when Anna insisted on getting paid somehow
SquirrelDude
Jun 25 2020, 01:42 AM
Did bnc just use a racial slur or is that shadowrun slang?
Volker
Jun 25 2020, 05:59 AM
Uhm, actually both.
When I created bnc back in 2015, she was a 19 yo European. To reflect youth speech and the geographical differences in slang, I tried to create some typical German slang terms, like mucho malo, Ajla ("Irony of life"), förböveln, chipsie ("idiot") and, well, chinky (basically for "bad").
It has indeed derived from racial prejudices but when she or any other youth uses the word, they don't think of Chinese much more than you think of the feces of a male cow when you say "bullshit". Sharkboy, however, wouldn't be familiar with the slang term. bnc hardly uses it anymore (mostly, because she isn't a youth herself anymore) and he's a grown-up American. So, he'd likely interpret it the same way you do: as racism.
SquirrelDude
Jun 25 2020, 12:42 PM
I would actually interpret both uses as racism, even recognizing that it can be used as a slang term. It's actually not the first time I've referred to a European person (technically they're just British, now) refer and explain it as such. They're both just racism.
Not sure how Sharkboy would react to it, considering he's been in wrestling locker rooms which can be pretty toxic places but also he's a changeling and might feel solidarity with other targets of discrimination.
For myself, I'll just say: Can we not have characters use racial slurs? Can we just not?
Gilga
Jun 25 2020, 01:26 PM
I must admit that I have no idea what racial slurs you guys are talking about.
SquirrelDude
Jun 25 2020, 02:03 PM
QUOTE (Volker @ Jun 24 2020, 03:21 PM)
"Yeah, as I said, I'd be a chink of a decker if I would lose you in a fully operated semi-public building in the Sixth World. We'll do fine"
Volker
Jun 25 2020, 02:13 PM
@gilga "chink" is a derogative term for Asian people, especially Chinese. It refers to their distinctive eye shape.
@Squirrel Of course it is still racist. What I wrote is that bnc wouldn't perceive it as being racist. No more than most people perceive "All men are created equal" as sexist. It's really a continuum and not a line. Some argue that "blacklist" is racist, as is a master/slave relationship when slaving a device to a master.
bnc wouldn't perceive herself as racist, but she is hardly aware of the problem (well, she is aware of metatype racism, but not of ethnical racism, that is). If that is something that offends you, of course I can just refrain from stuff like this (although, it would stretch too far not to use master/slave anymore, as for her, it's just a technical term without any racist implications. That level of awareness would stretch her character quite a bit. But I would do it if you insist).
How do you feel about things like bnc referring to Sharkboy as "sushi man" or plainly "freak"? On the one hand, this are prime examples of racism, on the other hand I believe it's an important element of roleplay (especially if you play a changeling).
As for Sharkboy ... I think that depends a whole lot about his active awareness of the problem (and suffering from it and awareness about it are two different things entirely). Historically, discriminated groups often showed the absolute opposite of solidarity, as it gave them some pause from persecution. Of course, nowadays it's more complex as social awareness and also social connections increase and discriminated groups start to bond. In a harsh environment and under hard pressure, however, people usually tend to care for themselves and their likes first and foremost, and everything else comes very late after that. That is how I perceive it, at least.
SquirrelDude
Jun 25 2020, 04:31 PM
QUOTE (Volker @ Jun 25 2020, 08:13 AM)
@gilga "chink" is a derogative term for Asian people, especially Chinese. It refers to their distinctive eye shape.
@Squirrel Of course it is still racist. What I wrote is that bnc wouldn't perceive it as being racist. No more than most people perceive "All men are created equal" as sexist. It's really a continuum and not a line. Some argue that "blacklist" is racist, as is a master/slave relationship when slaving a device to a master.
bnc wouldn't perceive herself as racist, but she is hardly aware of the problem (well, she is aware of metatype racism, but not of ethnical racism, that is). If that is something that offends you, of course I can just refrain from stuff like this (although, it would stretch too far not to use master/slave anymore, as for her, it's just a technical term without any racist implications. That level of awareness would stretch her character quite a bit. But I would do it if you insist).
How do you feel about things like bnc referring to Sharkboy as "sushi man" or plainly "freak"? On the one hand, this are prime examples of racism, on the other hand I believe it's an important element of roleplay (especially if you play a changeling).
I do not think the phrase has any narrative value within the current context. The use of the phrase fails to illuminate anything about bnc we do not already know. It's already been demonstrated countless other times and other ways that she is absentmindedly cruel. I don't think it's endemic to the setting's mechanics in the way the "slaving a device" is.
I don't think they're in the same category as language used against Sharkboy. Changelings are unlikely to ever be anything beyond an allegory to real world discrimination. There is no actual person who can be harmed by the use of "sushi man". "Freak" is too generic to be uniquely harmful.
Obviously Sharkboy has somewhat embraced that part of himself in his character, though that's also a choice I made because of mainstream wrestling's
history of
reliance on
racist/
problematic gimmicks. As previously stated, I'm still unsure how Sharkboy would handle it. I think it relies on a deeper understanding of how he was raised and discriminated against in the past, which I have not put significant thought into.
QUOTE
As for Sharkboy ... I think that depends a whole lot about his active awareness of the problem (and suffering from it and awareness about it are two different things entirely). Historically, discriminated groups often showed the absolute opposite of solidarity, as it gave them some pause from persecution. Of course, nowadays it's more complex as social awareness and also social connections increase and discriminated groups start to bond. In a harsh environment and under hard pressure, however, people usually tend to care for themselves and their likes first and foremost, and everything else comes very late after that. That is how I perceive it, at least.
While I can agree that is the common historical perception of groups that are discriminated against by those in power, I would slightly push back on that. The two most important civil rights movements in the United States, Dr. King's movement and the Black Panthers, were lead by socialists ("you can’t have capitalism without racism.” - Malcolm X, 1964) that looked to raise others up with them.
Gilga
Jun 25 2020, 05:32 PM
Oh I forgot about European/American PC sensitivities. Luckily I know very few derogative terms.
Volker
Jun 25 2020, 05:33 PM
My intention was not to illuminate something about bnc but just to roleplay her.
But no problem. It's easy to refrain from that and similar phrases when they offend you, or anybody else.
Thanks for clarifying under which circumstances you have a problem with racism in roleplay.
As to the other topic: I don't want to dive into a political debate here. Both movements you named actually consisted mainly of the group they were fighting for (There's nothing wrong to that at all, but if I remember correctly, bot movements consisted primarily of POC fighting for their rights and equality).
And in the end, it boils down to Sharkboy's personality. Personally, I perceive him as a predator and lonesome rider, but then, it's difficult to look into somebody.
btw, there's also the possibility that he wouldn't have found it offensive from every person, but from bnc, the case could be a different thing entirely.
Gilga
Jun 25 2020, 05:35 PM
Let's keep it as a roleplay opportunity.
SquirrelDude
Jun 25 2020, 05:54 PM
QUOTE (Volker @ Jun 25 2020, 11:33 AM)
But no problem. It's easy to refrain from that and similar phrases when they offend you, or anybody else.
That's all I'm asking.
Volker
Jun 25 2020, 08:50 PM
no prob
Thanee
Jun 25 2020, 09:09 PM
Typically, Nova will have the following wireless-active:
- Commlink
- Vision Enhancement (Contacts)
- Audio Enhancement (Earbuds)
- Datajack (Cyber)
- Smartlink (Cyber)
- Smartgun System (Weapon; unless concealed)
And these are usually off and only switched to wireless-active, when there is a need:
- Cyberholster (Cyber)
- Smuggling Compartment (Cyber)
- Hydraulic Jacks (Cyber)
- Telescopic Limbs (Cyber)
- Nanohive (Cyber)
- Medkit
Bye
Thanee
Gilga
Jun 26 2020, 10:08 PM
Jack, any love for my astral scouting prior to arriving? Not looking for much just to gauge what kind of astral security do they have. Spirits? watchers? Wards?
Gilga
Jun 26 2020, 10:20 PM
Anna enters with the improve charisma spell active (unless she needs to pass award).
She keeps foci in the car and does not bring a gun. She has glasses, earbuds, and comlink. A small pink cosmetic kit, all packed in a stylish bag.
Thanee
Jun 26 2020, 10:46 PM
Nova would sneak in a gun and her shock gloves in her cyber holster/smuggling compartment in the cyberlegs. With all wireless off, of course.
However, I cannot really say if that is something that scanners would find. If it is too risky, she can also leave it outside.
How would that work? There aren't really any rules for that, or are there?
Bye
Thanee
Jack_Spade
Jun 27 2020, 05:59 AM
@Gilga
Sorry, I missed that.
I'll give an update IP
@Thanee
There is a chance the scanners will pick it up, but I assume bnc gave your fake identities all the necessary licenses anyway.
Thanee
Jun 27 2020, 12:47 PM
QUOTE
I still have the Lazarus Combo, from back then. The set contains Hemosynth, a nanite container with a savior medkit, a stim patch and a dose of each Crash and Kamikaze, respectively.
What is this meant to be used for?
And what is Hemosynth or Crash?
Bye
Thanee
Jack_Spade
Jun 27 2020, 01:10 PM
It's a neat combo:
Crash stabilizes overflow damage, hemosynth reverses the damage, medkit stabilizes and gives health back, kamikaze increases body and stim makes you awake again
Thanee
Jun 27 2020, 01:12 PM
So, it will make someone walk again, who is in overflow... for a short while at least. With some consequences...
Bye
Thanee
Volker
Jun 27 2020, 03:14 PM
Hence the name Lazarus combo
Volker
Jun 30 2020, 12:13 PM
@Jack
Rules question concerning online gear (chameleon suite, smartguns, biomonitor) and simple calls/text messages:
a) can they "run silent"? If so, is there anything that keeps me from turning everything running silent?
b) is there a threshold of noise where they lose their wifi bonuses?
Thanee
Jun 30 2020, 12:35 PM
@Volker: You might want to add that apostrophe into who're.
Bye
Thanee
Jack_Spade
Jun 30 2020, 02:12 PM
A) yes and it's even expected for any kind of clandestine activity.
B) device rating: if noice is higher than DR you lose access to WiFi on bonus. Certain gear options help to mitigate that for all devices in your network. DR for standard gear is 2.
Thanee
Jun 30 2020, 06:07 PM
Is that social roll for Taurus or anyone? If it is anyone, Anna is probably the best choice with her increased charisma.
And as for the thresholds... it's pretty clear, that Intimidate won't be the ideal choice.
Bye
Thanee
Jack_Spade
Jun 30 2020, 06:24 PM
Yeah, anyone of you can try
Crossbow
Jun 30 2020, 06:36 PM
can someone roll my 6d6? I am at work.
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