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Kyoto Kid
QUOTE (holychampion)
really trying to tackle the feel of 'realistic' armor for that one and I'm trying a technique by my favorite artist Shirow Masume.

...not a bad influence I must say...
holychampion
Here is the first draft of KK. The thing I found the hardest was the face again. This time however, it had more to do with the fact that I wasn't sure if she is asian or if she was caucasion. Anyway I tried to do asian, which I'm learning is giving me great difficulty. I love it! Anyway, let me know what u think.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49928254/
ShadowDragon8685
The King of Shine, eh?

Hmmm... The KK picture... Is good, but the face... wtf is up with her eyes? She looks like they're about to explode from pressure. Like she's about to flip her wig, and start busting out caps. Other than that, I think it's nice. smile.gif

Also: Link to the thread wherein I showed everyone your drawing of the space marine. They liked it. nyahnyah.gif
Kyoto Kid
...basically KK is a Caucasian but had cosmetic surgery to make herself look Japanese to keep certain people from recognising her. I like the pose, shows a feeling of confidence. You definitely have the Bushido Cowgirl look down, but alas, she appears too tall. KK is only 4' 10" (barely legal enough to ride in the front seat of a car in RL today). Check the following links. Kelly intended to be an Olympic gymnast when she was a young girl & that is more how she is physically developed.

Mary Lou 1
Mary Lou 2

As to the eyes, I agree, with ShadowDragon8685, a bit more toning down to the facial expression, granted she can be a bit impulsive, but she also spent several years under tutalege of a very renowned sensei in Kyoto Japan who instilled in her a sense of patience.

Granted, ethnic nuances are tricky & it took me some time to not make them appear too forced or 'stereotyped'. Check out some of David Mack's work on the indie comic/graphic novels Kabuki. Below is a link to the David Mack Guide.com site

David Mack-Kabuki

There are a number of galleries devoted to the Kabuki title. In particular, look at images from the Circle of Blood arc.
holychampion
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but alas, she appears too tall. KK is only 4' 10"


I'll see if I can fix that with this image.

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As to the eyes, I agree, with ShadowDragon8685, a bit more toning down to the facial expression, granted she can be a bit impulsive, but she also spent several years under tutalege of a very renowned sensei in Kyoto Japan who instilled in her a sense of patience.


Yes, I see what u mean. As I said this is the first draft, and I use a .05 lead on drafts so the eyes looked "bugged out" because i went over them too many times. In the inked version it won't be so prominent.

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Granted, ethnic nuances are tricky


I had no idea that drawing asian women would be so hard, it has been a real challenge, I'm grateful for the experience.

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Check out some of David Mack's work on the indie comic/graphic novels Kabuki. Below is a link to the David Mack Guide.com site


That is going to be of big help, thanks.

o.k. its back to work. I have some time today so I should have something up by tonight.
holychampion
o.k. this is the second draft. There will be a third one tonight. Thanks to that link I think I got a asian/ kubuki face down, but check this one out.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49977369/
Kyoto Kid
...I see you reversed the pose. The Tsunami wave on her jacket is more prominent in this one, as is the tattoo on her shoulder. Very nice. The expression in her eyes looks more subdued in this one.

Still a bit tall, but as you mentioned you will be doing another sketch tonight. Drawing shorter than average people is also tricky and I have often seen the pros having trouble with it. There were times Wolverine of X-Men looked more like an NFL Offensive Lineman when he was supposed to be the shortest character on the team (well maybe next to Jubilee).

BTW, Ms Retton was actually the physical model I based KK's physique on which is why I included those two links.
holychampion
I actually I didn't reverse the pose on purpuse, to get a cleaner image I used Trace/Vellum paper and when I scanned in the new image I must have placed it on the glass inverted. Sorry, I'll be more careful next time. Here is the image a little shorter and with the asian look. I think I finally got it! Let me know.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/49985078/
holychampion
o.k. I'm calling this one Kyoto Kid (Americana). I liked it, so I'm keeping it. smile.gif
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/50000544/

I should have the other version up later.
ShadowDragon8685
Now that...

That is good. That is really damned good. That's freakin' good. That's just... Wow. That's like... Awesome. Especially the thing with her eyes.

Okay. Got another challenge for you, HC. I'll let you take your pick of them. Of course, you can ignore my ramblings, if you please, but these are just some ideas.

Challenge 1: Security Armor Writ Large:

This isen't ordinary, "Covers a person" armor. This is "Person pilots this thing" armor. This is armor with a Body rating of it's own, that follows the Vehicle rules.

Essentially, this should take a normal-sized human, say, 5'10", and turn him into an armored monster that's hulking a bit over a large troll.

You don't have to pack on ALL of the following features, but I'd like to see how many you can put on without it seeming cluttered or wrong:

A melee weapon
A flamethrower
A general purpose Big Fucking Gun. (Or Big Fucking Laser, if you like.)
A rocket-launcher. (Either One Big Rocket or a pack of smaller rockets. Or both!)
A head covered with interesting sensors, preferably a different "design pattern" than the "sensor mohack and black bands" from the Space Marine.
A commo pack
A jump jet-pack
A chain-gun


Challenge 2:
Simpler, perhaps... I want to see what you could do with Skate, if given free reign and the only instructions being "No significantly concealing clothing, and no "artistic" hiding of 'naughty bits.'" (Just one of my pet peeves.) Provacitive, innocent, sexual, demure - hell, she could do any of it. I'm just curious to see what you can do.
Kyoto Kid
...Now that's my gal. She has a more determined look with the Asian features. Her proportions are much closer to what a gymnast looks like. I always envisioned her being a bit more buff, kind of like a female dwarf with a thyroid issue. Again, I love how you incorporated her "signatures" while still maintaining a dynamic pose. She looks like she's ready for a bit o' rootin' tootin' hoop shootin'.

If you get around to doing a colour version it would be cool. Her face is done in white kabuki makeup the lips black and the rising sun motif in red. The jacket is black with the wave in light blue & white accents. The chaps are brown, the slacks white & the Stetson tan

Seeing the "Americana" version inked is also great, the expression in the eyes is still one of intensity but not as if she's going to go postal. More like she's saying, "You again? Why can't a varmint like you learn to stay down when he's down?" (something she actually said when we were dealing with several Shedim on one mission).

The strange thing is both appearances can work since she does have the facial sculpt power and uses it frequently.
holychampion
YES! smile.gif I had that same thought when inking the 'Americana' version. That's awsome. I'll have an inked version of KK for you by tonight.
In the mean time here is the first draft of the Mech.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/50064502/

And FYI, I don't do many of these kinda drawings...so when I finished, I was a bit taken by it. love.gif
Kyoto Kid
...uhh yeah, I certainly wouldn't want to face that down in the open battlefield unless I was in one at least as nasty.

Very nice and very intimidating.

holychampion
Darker image, ready for ink?
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/50083957/
ShadowDragon8685
Oh wow, hah. That's pretty freakin' sweet awesome. You did something I wasen't expecting, with the regular-sized armored arms below the big-ass mech arms. Pretty nifty. I think it rocks.

Could you take me on a blow-by-blow of what he's got? I wanna see how he stacks up (and it looks like he stacks up favorably) against the inspiration source.


[edit] After showing it to some other friends, someone said that you were drawing the inspiration from the King of Shine - I got no problems with that. smile.gif

But, personally, one thing about it really irks me. The treaded feet - they just... Don't seem to do anything for me, really. Except make the suit look kinda silly. I can't see treads that size being any useful for motion that woulden't be better served by using either the legs in a more conventional fasion, or the jump jets... I'd rather see hella-sweet mech-boots. smile.gif
holychampion
As promised finished version of KK.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/50117747/.
holychampion
And the Mech inked.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/50118033/

Play by Play: From top to bottom. 4 mini missile packs( or regular missile, short/ medium range.) 14 missiles each. Long and short radar arrays with full spectrum antennae. Right arm has 30mm gatling/rail gun. Left arm has a dual plasma cannon, each arm equipped with gyro-stabilization/recoil compensators. On the chest are two flood lights. jump jets on the back and legs. The legs contain forward and upward jets. The Feet I made Tracks on a huge ball bearing with a split shin for manueverablity, may not look the greatest, but this baby can roll at twice the speed that a flat foot could run. smile.gif

Now to come up with something good for Skate. biggrin.gif
ShadowDragon8685
The finished version of KK makes me quiver in the fear that she might be after me.

As far as the 'mech, I like it, the only problem with the treads is stability. If it's rolling that fast, there's no way it's going to keep it's balance... Oh well. It still looks good, I just ignore the part below the left leg's shin. smile.gif


What kind of weapon is that in the smaller arm's left hand, by the way? Just an ordinary carbine?
holychampion
.50 rifle, or anything u want really. I hven't played a Mech game in years so u decide. smile.gif
ShadowDragon8685
QUOTE (holychampion)
.50 rifle, or anything u want really. I hven't played a Mech game in years so u decide. smile.gif

Heh. Actually, I was basing it off the T'au commander's XV-22 Battlesuit from the Dawn of War: Dark Crusade expansion. smile.gif

Still, you oughta play a mech game. Thanks, it looks great.
Kyoto Kid
QUOTE (holychampion)
As promised finished version of KK.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/50117747/.

...notworthy.gif nice really nice notworthy.gif...

She has that "them's shootin' words, pardner..." look

(need a cowboy smiley)

QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685)
The finished version of KK makes me quiver in the fear that she might be after me.

..as long as you are not one of those "long eared galoots" from the TT you need not worry...too much...
cristomeyers
While we're on the subject of "long-eared galoots," I've got another for ya. You've done admirably with humans and mecha, let's throw a non-human at you. A contact of mine I've been looking to flesh out.

Lindsay Cartwright-Elf, indeterminate age, though she appears to be no more than 30. Her face is slender, of the standard elven type, that looks more mature than young. Hair is blonde and long, almost always tied back. She's a performer (jazz singer, sorry boys wink.gif ). She usually wears a long dress that clings to every curve, the image of carefully harvested sensuality. She's attractive and knows it and has no qualms with using it. She's average as elves go, slender limbs and body. There's a tattoo of a black rose on her right shoulder.
ShadowDragon8685
Does she have a grudge against all pointy-ears, or just those hailing from the Tir?
Kyoto Kid
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685)
Does she have a grudge against all pointy-ears, or just those hailing from the Tir?

...major grudge against TT nobility/royalty, regular grudge against other TT elves, wariness of all non TT elves, particularly since many have fled the "Land of Broken Promises" to Seattle after the old TT political system collapsed.

For example: After one run she actually refused healing from a an elf mage she had just met & would not let him stand behind her even when he was willing to give her counterspelling. She has since learned he was a former Tir Ghost and now keeps her distance from him as much as possible (as well as a hand on one of her Warhawks).

A lot of this stems from the abuse she received at the hands of elven kids in Salem where she grew up & the fact she became a scapegoat for causing trouble when it wasn't her fault, the beatings she received from her elven father, and finally being abandoned in Portland at the age of only 12.

Yeah, she had some pretty good influences for becoming a runner.
holychampion
Here's first sketch of Skate. However I would call this a better begining for her character sketch, not really provocitive.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/50319209/
Kyoto Kid
QUOTE (holychampion)
Here's first sketch of Skate. However I would call this a better begining for her character sketch, not really provocitive.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/50319209/

...in the words of my favourite Sports Radio persona "Pierre" (Bobby V Show ESPN Radio):

"Ooo La La, Ooo La La La La"

This is definitely one of your best character studies. Her proportions are perfect and I like the facial expression. Her build is almost dead on for the way I envisioned KK's

After you get a couple, of other requests done, I'll have to send you details on my little covert vixen Night Angel and the slinky, sultry elf reporter Lana Lane.
ShadowDragon8685
Mmm, not bad... In fact, I think I like it, although you used both pesky clothes and an "artistic blind" in the form of her leg. Still, a very nice piece of work. smile.gif
cristomeyers
You're starting to get this "drawing" thing down cold. Everything so far is excellent.

We'll make an artist out of you yet!
holychampion
sorry about that SD. Just trying to keep it clean. biggrin.gif
Will darken it, ink it then move on to Lindsay Cartwright.

I'll PM you or e-mail the "exposed" version of Skate. nyahnyah.gif
ShadowDragon8685
I'm pretty sure everyone here is old enough and mature enough to see a naked 21-year-old decker in the buff. nyahnyah.gif But still, I think it's pretty ^damn^ good. smile.gif
Trigger
And if you don't want to post a direct link, as it will most likely be NSFW (not safe for work) then just post the link to you dev art directly and give the name of the piece. Just giving suggestions, since I think it is also not highly looked upon to post NSFW links on the boards anyways.
holychampion
Alright, i can do so. I'll post here when it is finished. I will not post a direct link, you'll have to go to the deviant site and check it out (when it's done). In the meantime I'll post a finished version of Skate as a replacement for the first character sketch.

Just curious, of the regular posters to this thread what is your age?
cristomeyers
23
Kyoto Kid
...old enough to remember:

...seeing the band Paul McCartney was in before Wings, live.
...watching John Glenn orbit the earth
...watching Neil Armstrong set foot on the Moon
...gas being 19.9c a gallon
...being at the infamous Ice Bowl at Lambeau Field where Bart Starr beat the Dallas Cowboys on a quarterback sneak at the goal line
...watching the Green Bay Packers Winning the first two AFL - NFL Championship games
...when there was no free agency in Major League Sports
...when the evening news was really news.
...being allowed to stay up to watch Ernie Kovacs.
...when you dessed up for a trip by airplane and saying "hi" to your freind Jack at the airport didn't bring down a swarm of unifiormed security.

... that qualify?
ShadowDragon8685
21.
holychampion
inked version of Skate.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/50374893/
She's not quite done, I think a background is appropriate here.
ShadowDragon8685
QUOTE (holychampion)
inked version of Skate.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/50374893/
She's not quite done, I think a background is appropriate here.

I like it, I like it! Very, very good. smile.gif
Kyoto Kid
...as do I. As do I
Trigger
I am old enough to not have to worry about people asking my age, unless it is to buy alcohol here in the US...so an age between 18 and 21. Also, I also like your inked version of Skate and I think your skills have been growing a lot since you started showing your work here on Dumpshock.
holychampion
I hope
i didn't offend anyone. I was just curious.
I'm currently working the sketch of Lindsay.
cristomeyers
I stopped being offended about people asking my age a long time ago. Let's just say I look about as 23 as my 17 year old sister does.

Everybody save your drawings, someday we'll be looking at comics and saying hey...wait a minute...
Kyoto Kid
...I am actually flattered when a "twenty-something" cards me at a club or pub.
holychampion
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Everybody save your drawings, someday we'll be looking at comics and saying hey...wait a minute...


Thank you.

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...I am actually flattered when a "twenty-something" cards me at a club or pub.
holychampion
I have some questions concerning Lindsay. What bust size? Any accesories (if so what kind.)? Hair to long?
The dress is a in-progress thing (want to look at some fashon mags tonight) so don't get too hung up on that and the Rose will be perfected also.
cristomeyers
Honestly, what you have is great. I hadn't thought about the dress being sheer, but it works well. The belt is a nice touch. The hair looks good, but I'd pictured the tail a little lower than that. As for bust size, a woman her stature isn't going to have an exceedingly large bust, so what's there is in keeping with her proportions nicely (and is damn sexy besides).

Let's see, accessories...

Hmm, the throat and upper chest look a little bare. A necklace maybe with a charm as the centerpiece. She's also a mage (seems to be a pattern with me...), so something that would represent that a little. I'll have to think more on it, but nothing is really coming to mind.

Maybe I'm just easy to please (doubtful, just ask my wife grinbig.gif), but I think what you have is excellent.
ShadowDragon8685
Is that a lightsaber? smile.gif
holychampion
noooooo, microphone. nyahnyah.gif She's a jazz singer! wobble.gif
ShadowDragon8685
You're right. I guess it's not long enough to be a full-sized lightsaber.... Though it could be a Short Lightsaber... nyahnyah.gif


^_^
cristomeyers
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685)
You're right. I guess it's not long enough to be a full-sized lightsaber.... Though it could be a Short Lightsaber... nyahnyah.gif


^_^

If only I still had my old D6 Star Wars RPG...
Kyoto Kid
QUOTE (holychampion)
QUOTE
Everybody save your drawings, someday we'll be looking at comics and saying hey...wait a minute...


Thank you.

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...I am actually flattered when a "twenty-something" cards me at a club or pub.

...oooooohhh, pretty.

Since we seem to be in a Shadowbeat kind of mind, be prepared for details on the slinky sultry cybersnoop Lana Lane tonight.

I still am in awe of how you protrayed KK

"--and so it goes..."

LL
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