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Feel free to start discussing how you guys know each other and maybe even some details about a couple runs you've been on. The initial scenario will take place after the group of you pulled off a run miraculously without a hitch. The Johnson didn't even try to double cross you if you can believe that. You went out on the town together to celebrate. After hours of living it up, you were leaving the local party scene around 3am when the bright lights of your friendly local StufferShack launched massive cravings for some dirty late night grub.
Redjack
Hisato "Takako" Kawaguchi
Male Elven Physical Adept Hitter

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phlapjack77
Swims-With-Sharks
Dagon McAllister
Male Elven Shaman

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Bastard
"Sledge" - Brian McElroy, B&E specialist
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Thanee
Angel, Technomancer

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DireRadiant
Flowers, Face w/gun

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Redjack
QUOTE (Slacker @ Jul 5 2013, 01:15 PM) *
phlapjack77 - mystic adept or rigger
Thanee - Technomancer
DireRadiant - Face w/Gun
Redjack - Adept
Bastard - B&E/Covert ops


Ok. How did we meet? Thrown together via our fixer?
I see Flowers and {phlapjack77} are elves. Either hang out in Tarislar?

Slacker - You want to throw out a run framework (or two) we've completed to build into our back stories?
Slacker
The first job you all worked together on was a raid on a bio-tech research facility run by Genitope (some legwork led you to believe Genitope is an un-acknowledged subsidiary of Evo Corporation). You were tasked to obtain some research documentation stored on their local servers before trashing their system and setting their research back as much as possible. The Johnson claimed to be from Shiawese, but it that was pretty obviously a false front. You didn't dig too much into that though since you got paid promptly without too much difficulty. You can't really expect Johnsons to be honest in the shadows, now can you?

That was six months or so ago. Since then you guys haven't exclusively worked together on jobs. You've each had several jobs in between where one or two of the others ran with you and unfortunately the only good parts of those jobs were each other. Left and right you seemed to either get stuck with bad runners or just drek jobs. A couple of you were the only survivors of an extraction job that ended up being a trap for a known whistleblower. Then there was the hit on a automated highway caravan where that dumb dwarf you got saddled with managed to antagonize a local go-gang while you were waiting in ambush. You had to ditch the job all together because of the entire auto-caravan ended up crashing its way off an overpass of the highway.

I could go on, but you get the idea. Finally about a week ago, you got contact by the same fixer that hired you all for the run against Genitope. He got you all back together for a mission to protect a shipment of troll sized refrigerated enclosure to a biotech facility in Redmond. You got hit by some seriously fanatical Rusted Stilletos, though you aren't sure why. You didn't even think you were travelling through their turf at all when you got hit. Through well coordinated use of your skills, you managed to deal with them without even scratching your rides.

After the last few months of struggling with random other shadowrunners, this smooth mission made you guys decide to make a go of it as a team. And that is what you were out celebrating.
phlapjack77
QUOTE (Redjack @ Jul 9 2013, 04:23 AM) *
I see Flowers and {phlapjack77} are elves. Either hang out in Tarislar?

I think my character is going to be based around Tacoma, with easy access to the docks and waterways. I'm potentially thinking of naming him "Swims-With-Sharks"...
DireRadiant
QUOTE (Redjack @ Jul 8 2013, 02:23 PM) *
Ok. How did we meet? Thrown together via our fixer?
I see Flowers and {phlapjack77} are elves. Either hang out in Tarislar?

Slacker - You want to throw out a run framework (or two) we've completed to build into our back stories?


Flowers won't hang in Tarislar. smile.gif
Redjack
QUOTE (Slacker @ Jul 8 2013, 04:18 PM) *
The first job you all worked together on was a raid on a bio-tech research facility run by Genitope (some legwork led you to believe Genitope is an un-acknowledged subsidiary of Evo Corporation). You were tasked to obtain some research documentation stored on their local servers before trashing their system and setting their research back as much as possible. The Johnson claimed to be from Shiawese, but it that was pretty obviously a false front. You didn't dig too much into that though since you got paid promptly without too much difficulty. You can't really expect Johnsons to be honest in the shadows, now can you?
@Team - Late night break in or mid-day disguise, fake creds and bluff?

QUOTE (Slacker @ Jul 8 2013, 04:18 PM) *
That was six months or so ago. Since then you guys haven't exclusively worked together on jobs. You've each had several jobs in between where one or two of the others ran with you and unfortunately the only good parts of those jobs were each other. Left and right you seemed to either get stuck with bad runners or just drek jobs. A couple of you were the only survivors of an extraction job that ended up being a trap for a known whistleblower. Then there was the hit on a automated highway caravan where that dumb dwarf you got saddled with managed to antagonize a local go-gang while you were waiting in ambush. You had to ditch the job all together because of the entire auto-caravan ended up crashing its way off an overpass of the highway.
@All - Count Takako down for the cut-n-run; it helps explain his current bad finances. I could see another one or two in which Takako walked away from the negotiating table that violated his code of honor.

QUOTE (Slacker @ Jul 8 2013, 04:18 PM) *
Finally about a week ago, you got contact by the same fixer that hired you all for the run against Genitope. He got you all back together for a mission to protect a shipment of troll sized refrigerated enclosure to a biotech facility in Redmond. You got hit by some seriously fanatical Rusted Stilletos, though you aren't sure why. You didn't even think you were traveling through their turf at all when you got hit. Through well coordinated use of your skills, you managed to deal with them without even scratching your rides.
@Slacker - Do I smell a bonus contact? Fixer loyalty 1 or 2?

QUOTE (Slacker @ Jul 8 2013, 04:18 PM) *
After the last few months of struggling with random other shadowrunners, this smooth mission made you guys decide to make a go of it as a team. And that is what you were out celebrating.
@Slacker - Out celebrating? Is this a hint at you first IC post?
Slacker
QUOTE (Redjack @ Jul 9 2013, 02:54 PM) *
@Slacker - Do I smell a bonus contact? Fixer loyalty 1 or 2?

@Slacker - Out celebrating? Is this a hint at you first IC post?

Sure. Why not? You guys can all have a Loyalty 1 Connection 4 fixed contact by the name Gordon the Ironclad. Not sure where he got the name though because as far as you can tell he's a straight up un-cybered human. He's none too friendly (rather gruff when he talks to you) but hes gotten you a couple good jobs at least.
And yeah. I think I mentioned it earlier (I meant to anyway) that the first IC scene will be around 3am after you've been out celebrating a successful job and the decision to make a go as a team. Before you all split up for the night you happened to stop at your friendly local StufferShack for some late night munchies.
Slacker
Here's a link to the layout of the StufferShack we'll be having the first test scene in.
phlapjack77
QUOTE (Redjack @ Jul 10 2013, 04:54 AM) *
@Team - Late night break in or mid-day disguise, fake creds and bluff?
It sounds like we're pretty well set up for both scenarios, but I'd vote for a mid-day disguise/fake creds/bluff approach...

QUOTE (Redjack @ Jul 10 2013, 04:54 AM) *
@All - Count Takako down for the cut-n-run; it helps explain his current bad finances. I could see another one or two in which Takako walked away from the negotiating table that violated his code of honor
Yes, I also approve of something like this, esp. to reinforce the feeling of desperation that I feel should pervade most games smile.gif

Dunno if you've seen this Slacker, but this might help: SR5 quickstart with "Fast Food Fight"
Slacker
Yeah. I had seen the Food Fight in the German QSR that got out a month or so ago. But I've played the stuffershack version of food fight in every previous edition. And I've always enjoyed it. Ive already come up with a plotline that goes along with the bits of your previous runs I "randomly" came up with. wink.gif
Thanee
If you happen to see the PDF online @ Battlecorps, please make a post here. smile.gif

Bye
Thanee
phlapjack77
Seems that those of us "in the future" aren't getting an early release...
Thanee
Heh. Just read that post a few seconds ago. wink.gif

Bye
Thanee
phlapjack77
I was curious enough to go over the the official shadowrun4 forum, and Bull had made a post there saying that the release might be around noon PST?

Apparently it's out on drivethru rpg
Thanee
Yeah, it is. Waiting for the Battlecorps release (PDF + print preorder), though.

Bye
Thanee
phlapjack77
gotcha!

Wonder what the price difference would be to take the pdf to a Kinko's or whatever and print it out instead of buying the print version...or if the pdf has a layout/feature that's not (very?) compatible with printing it out...
Slacker
QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Jul 11 2013, 02:49 AM) *
gotcha!

Wonder what the price difference would be to take the pdf to a Kinko's or whatever and print it out instead of buying the print version...or if the pdf has a layout/feature that's not (very?) compatible with printing it out...

Technically. I don't believe kinkos is supposed to let you print it our since it is a copyrighted book. But really I would not suggest doing that at all. Printing out a PDF creates a very bulky/unwieldy book far more so than a hardcopy released by a real printer.

Oh and I should mention for those looking at drivethru already having the PDF up, a lot of people are complaining that its not the right copy. The formatting is wrong and there are no bookmarks in it.
DireRadiant
They still don't have bookmarks in it? I'm going to smack Jason.
Slacker
QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Jul 11 2013, 08:22 AM) *
They still don't have bookmarks in it? I'm going to smack Jason.

I'm thinking Drivethru must have released the wrong copy. I'm sure when they come out with the official announcement and it shows up on battelshop that it will have the bookmarks in it.

They obviously have a copy with bookmarks because several of the reviewers mentioned how great the bookmarks are in the PDFs they were reviewing.
Thanee
In about 5h we hopefully know more. smile.gif

Bye
Thanee
phlapjack77
QUOTE (Slacker @ Jul 11 2013, 07:44 PM) *
Technically. I don't believe kinkos is supposed to let you print it our since it is a copyrighted book. But really I would not suggest doing that at all. Printing out a PDF creates a very bulky/unwieldy book far more so than a hardcopy released by a real printer.

Oh and I should mention for those looking at drivethru already having the PDF up, a lot of people are complaining that its not the right copy. The formatting is wrong and there are no bookmarks in it.

Ok, thanks for the info. To cover my butt, I didn't know this was possibly copyright infringement or whatever, sorry to CGL for suggesting it smile.gif

I've got the charsheet (thanks Aria!) and am working on getting "Swims-With-Sharks" together and posted.
phlapjack77
nm, sorry
Thanee
Alrighty... time to read. smile.gif

Bye
Thanee
Thanee
Does anyone have any idea how "James" gets his Living Persona stats on p. 102? His Attributes are all at 2-4, yet everything there is 5-6 (I understand the ones that are equal to Resonance, but the others are Charisma, Logic, Willpower, and Intuition, which he has at 3, 4, 3, and 4).

Guess, though, I didn't miss anything and it's just the typical wrong example characters that every Shadowrun book seems to include as a must-have. wink.gif

Bye
Thanee
DireRadiant
Yeah, looks off to me as well, errata time.

Living Persona —
Attack Charisma — 3 + ?
Data Processing Logic — 4 + Analytical Mind
Device Rating Resonance — Correct
Firewall Willpower — 3 + Natural hardening
Sleaze Intuition — 4 + ?
Slacker
QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Jul 11 2013, 02:19 PM) *
Yeah, looks off to me as well, errata time.

Living Persona —
Attack Charisma — 3 + ?
Data Processing Logic — 4 + Analytical Mind
Device Rating Resonance — Correct
Firewall Willpower — 3 + Natural hardening
Sleaze Intuition — 4 + ?

Yep. Definitely looks like something for the errata.
Redjack
QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Jul 7 2013, 10:00 PM) *
R3 Enchanting Group (free from priority)
------ alchemy, artificing, disenchanting
R2 Stealth Group (free from priority)
------ disguise, palming, sneaking
Did you mean these are the 5 points of the 36 you can use on skill groups?
Thanee
Aren't those extra? i.e. 36/5 means 36 for seperate skills and 5 for skill groups.

Bye
Thanee
Redjack
QUOTE (Thanee @ Jul 11 2013, 04:17 PM) *
Aren't those extra? i.e. 36/5 means 36 for seperate skills and 5 for skill groups.
Had to look at the example... The text seems to imply otherwise, but the example says you are correct. smile.gif

Slacker
QUOTE (Redjack @ Jul 11 2013, 04:39 PM) *
Had to look at the example... The text seems to imply otherwise, but the example says you are correct. smile.gif

Yeah. The group points are separate from the individual skill points.
phlapjack77
Gosh darn am I getting frustrated with this new priority system. It seems the new thing in SR5 is tradeoffs-tradeoffs-tradeoffs. This is feeling fiddlier (a word?) than karma gen was for SR4. Or maybe a better word is constraining? It seems that little changes, little nudges to a character here and there aren't as easy anymore, if you want to change one thing, a giant house of cards falls over and your character ends up changing drastically just for that one little change.

</rant>

ok sorry about that smile.gif
Thanee
KarmaGen will be back in the Companion. wink.gif

You can use up to 50 Karma (minus positive Qualities) for those "little nudges".
I did that with my skills... only took D for skills, but used most of my Karma to add to those.

Bye
Thanee
phlapjack77
QUOTE (Thanee @ Jul 12 2013, 05:13 PM) *
You can use up to 50 Karma (minus positive Qualities) for those "little nudges".
I did that with my skills... only took D for skills, but used most of my Karma to add to those.

Yeah, I know. smile.gif I'm still trying to understand just what about it is frustrating me. I think it's that each sub-system is more of a closed environment. Like, points for Attributes and Skills don't interact, except at the level of the bonus karma. So if you want to raise a skill or two, it's not possible to lower an Attribute to pay for it. Or if I need like 20k more nuyen. The only option is the small, small amount of karma (it's not going to be 50 karma, I don't see anyone ever not taking at least one Pos. Q). This karma doesn't go very far. And the only other option to get more points for skills or Attributes or money is to redo Priority choices, but that way lies madness...
Thanee
Yep, I see what you mean.

It takes a bit getting used to the restraints, I guess.

Bye
Thanee
Slacker
QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Jul 12 2013, 03:32 AM) *
Gosh darn am I getting frustrated with this new priority system. It seems the new thing in SR5 is tradeoffs-tradeoffs-tradeoffs. This is feeling fiddlier (a word?) than karma gen was for SR4. Or maybe a better word is constraining? It seems that little changes, little nudges to a character here and there aren't as easy anymore, if you want to change one thing, a giant house of cards falls over and your character ends up changing drastically just for that one little change.

</rant>

ok sorry about that smile.gif

Well the tag line for this edition is "Everything has a price" So, you're right they emphasize tradeoffs this time. As far as the little nudges go, that is reserved for character advancement after chargen. Karma/buildpoint chargen is amazingly adaptive on the minute detail, but it also is amazingly complex for new players and even veteran players take time to create characters with it with all the different options available.

The priority system is designed to get people into the game quicker and easier. And I can't fault them for that. Honestly, they've built a lot more flexibility into this priority system than what was used in the first 3 editions of the game. I'm quite happy with it.
Thanee
QUOTE (Slacker @ Jul 12 2013, 02:56 PM) *
Well the tag line for this edition is "Everything has a price" So, you're right they emphasize tradeoffs this time.


Not that it has anything to do with the new edition here, really.

The priority system has always been like that (in fact, as you say, it is more flexible now compared to previous editions).

Bye
Thanee
phlapjack77
QUOTE (Slacker @ Jul 12 2013, 08:56 PM) *
Well the tag line for this edition is "Everything has a price" So, you're right they emphasize tradeoffs this time. As far as the little nudges go, that is reserved for character advancement after chargen. Karma/buildpoint chargen is amazingly adaptive on the minute detail, but it also is amazingly complex for new players and even veteran players take time to create characters with it with all the different options available.

The priority system is designed to get people into the game quicker and easier. And I can't fault them for that. Honestly, they've built a lot more flexibility into this priority system than what was used in the first 3 editions of the game. I'm quite happy with it.

I hear ya. I'm not faulting CGL for putting in a char-creation system that makes it easier on first-timers to get into the game quickly. But I think I'm at the point where I can say "Priority system...it's not for me" smile.gif
DireRadiant
One of the priority system design outputs is that starting characters are going to be in a relatively pre defined range as compared to the results you can get with a build system.

You can still min max a build, but the max range isn't as big relative to the average build.
Umidori
Is it really so hard to ship both types of character creation in the corebook? Have the Priority system for first-timers and the Karma/BP system for veterans.

I know, I know, "The book's already almost 500 pages!", yes, so I've heard, just cut out a page or two of the fanfiction.net grade fluff stories to make more room for crunch please.

~Umi
Thanee
Only need to put together the background now... rest is done. smile.gif

Bye
Thanee
Slacker
QUOTE (Umidori @ Jul 12 2013, 03:52 PM) *
Is it really so hard to ship both types of character creation in the corebook? Have the Priority system for fi. t-timers and the Karma/BP system for veterans.

I know, I know, "The book's already almost 500 pages!", yes, so I've heard, just cut out a page or two of the fanfiction.net grade fluff stories to make more room for crunch please.

~Umi

The short stories are such a part of the Shadowrun experience though. Besides somebody did a breakdown of the fluff to rules in each chapter and this book is already pretty trim. Not to mention its the Core Rulebook, its not designed to have a whole bunch of variant rules in it. That's what supplemental books are for.
phlapjack77
Me too - crunch is done, fluff being worked on smile.gif
Umidori
QUOTE (Slacker @ Jul 12 2013, 07:13 PM) *
The short stories are such a part of the Shadowrun experience though. Besides somebody did a breakdown of the fluff to rules in each chapter and this book is already pretty trim. Not to mention its the Core Rulebook, its not designed to have a whole bunch of variant rules in it. That's what supplemental books are for.

One could just as easily argue that fluff belongs in supplemental books. Do you honestly feel that fluff has a higher priority than rules in the Core Rulebook? nyahnyah.gif

I want to play the game, not read short stories. Why do I have to pay for two books to get the character generation rules that came standard with the previous edition, along with a bunch of short stories I don't want mixed in? If you want the stories, hey, more power to ya. Anyone who wants the stories should simply be able to buy a stories collection book separately. That way they can get the stories they crave, without any pesky variant rules they may or may not want getting in the way. Everyone wins!

~Umi
Slacker
QUOTE (Umidori @ Jul 1wasn) *
One could just as easily argue thatifluff belongs in supplemental books. Do you honestly feel that fluff has a higher priority than rules in the Core Ruleboo. nyahnyah.gif

I want to play the game, not read short stories. Why do I have to pay for two books to get the character generation rules that came standard with the previous edition, along with a bunch of short stories I don't want mixed in? If you want the stories, hey, more power to ya. Anyone who wants the stories should simply be able to buy a stories collection book separately. That way they can get the stories they crave, without any pesky variant rules they may or may not want getting in the way. Everyone wins!

~Umi

The stories and artwork are what pulls many people into the gameworld wanting to give the rules a try. Look at it this way, the fluff is what has kept Shadowrun alive and kicking butt despite some of the god awful rules tat were in the early editions. Did you ever try playing a decker in first edition?
The build point character system wasnt introduced until third edition and that was in a supplemental book. That system got a lot of fan support and they tried making it the main system in 4th. But I believe it was just too intimidating for new players. That's why they came up with this priority system which is a nice compromise between the build point and old priority system.
But that's just my opinion. Are I can certainly understand your desire for the build point or karma build systems. im finding that I really like it. Had a great chargen session with my local gaming group and people were really enjoying character creation together with it.
Umidori
Well I think we can agree that we're probably just on different sides of the fence, and that neither system is better. I guess I just wish I could get everything I want to be able to play in one book, and I guess some folks wish they could get all that and good art and stories too. nyahnyah.gif

Anywho, kinda off-topic for this thread! biggrin.gif

~Umi
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