The seeping will continue for a day or so depending on..well, a bunch of mundane things like alcohol intake, cigarettes, movement, etc. Don't be worried about that, either.

So, how'd ya do it?

Well, in my spare time I sharpen knives. I take pride in keeping all of the knives in this house obscenely sharp. Earlier today, I was somewhat distracted cutting something, and just sorta swiped it across the upper part of my forearm by accident. I look down, expecting to have a little scratch, and there's this big hole in my arm that is colours that aren't found on the surface layers of skin. It was... a tad unnerving.
Nonsmoker, nondrinker, probably not moving much, and with the temperature supposed to hit 20 below tonight. I think those are good conditions for reduced bloodflow

~J

yeah, you'll be fine. I've had several experiences with similar results due to "poor judgement calls". Its gonna smart for few weeks though.

if you want my .02 go see a doctor

I might just do that tomorrow, depending on the degree, if any, to which it appears to have healed.

~J

I think my mutant healing factor must be kicking into play. The tissue damage beneath the skin layer had sealed up by the time I took the bandage off last night, there hasn't been enough blood seeping out to get past the edges of the wound, and now it just looks like a rather nasty surface cut rather than the creepy gaping hole it was yesterday. Thank you all for the well-wishes and advice, and I now return you to your regularly scheduled topic (if it hasn't sorta naturally died out, as it seems to have).

~J

yeah, you hijacked it pretty thouroughly, though i don't think you needed to inflicy any bodily harm...

Somebody call a topic doctor! 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 5... Breathe, thread, breathe!

GO HUMANS!

Topic doctor? Can he fix my arm?

~J

I'm interested to hear about what happened to Chantrel.

Me too...

~J

You're telling me it took blood magic to hijack the thread? Little severe, don't ya think?
lol

Oh god, Kage's one of them! Blood magic! Quick! Someone get Kege's scalp, there's a bounty on it!

Shocklock and load, baby! *whips out a chrome-plated SPAS-22 loaded with monowire bola rounds* I'MA ROUND ME UP DAT VARMINT!

Phaeton's remains have been sent to his next-of-kin in a very small box. Have a nice day

~J

So, aren't toxic shamans and all the other stuff listed in the threats stuff alive and kicking? From my own readings, the world of Shadowrun isn't exactly a model of <meta>human dominance over magic and a magical world. Humans have had their asses handed to them and they've not exactly made great strides towards civilizing the world again.

Horrors <boy has it been a while> never came across to me as the types of things that ever attacked in armies. They're the stuff of horror movies and nightmares. There would be some physical fighty type horrors, but there would be a lot more that attacked humanity from within, and they'd infiltrate humanity long before we could mount a world wide defense. It would be a great bug hunt apocalyptic game setting. (if that kind of depressing setting is your bag).

Now I was never an Earthdawn fanatic, but from what little I can remember about the high level book, Earthdawn armies were easily as powerful as anything SR armies could manage short of nukes. <Heck, and even there I'm not so sure, I think some of the upper level spells/talents were basically tactical nukes>. The talents in ED are incredibly powerful....and the horrors still kick their asses.

I doubt either side can convince the other in this debate. I'd have to say that if the Horrors were ever brought into shadowrun, that they'd of course be unbeatable <not to say that individual horrors can't be beaten, just as a whole they cannot>. If they are something a group of twinkies can chew up and spit out, then they aren't exactly horrors.

I believe that by the time they cross over, defeating the Horrors will be well within the capability of humanity.
Whether or not they will actually pull it off is an entirely different matter, and very much in question.

~J

My summary of the possible outcomes:

A) We'll have the technology, we'll just be too corrupted and/or stupid to use it.

B) We'll have the will and the drive, but not the equipment.

C) We will have both and will kick some monstrous ass.

D) We will have neither and get creamed.

ok

this is ALL from memory cause i am moving and everything is packed away

if i recall the entry in the horrors sourcebook was from chantrell's point of view. she proceeded to tell of her time with the horror and it's mutilation of her loved ones and also (i think) the part where she tried to kill herself to get away from it.

i have only read this entry once, and it was about 4 years ago, but i think that she is doing well and recollecting all this in some little village somewhere. she tells her story, then goes back home and the horror has another of her loved ones strung up mid-flaying after it's 15 year abscence or whatever. i THINK that is how the entry ends. rather open ended if you ask me.

again, THIS IS ALL FROM MEMORY, so it could be like the 4th age artificer nuke and a total error on my part, but no one else answered, so...

Yup, something like that. C'sH chewed up everyone Chantrel ever loved, and in the end she tried to kill herself and failed. Then the Horror took like a fifteen year break, so Chantrel could heal up. Then she told her story. And then she went home and found her husband and son strewn about the living room. I know that one of them had had all their organs removed, thinly sliced, and laid out around their wholly-intact body (astral slice for dissection!).

I imagine C'sH just kept torturing her until if was forced to leave because falling tide of mana. At which point Chantrell lived out the rest of her life. Which means when it can finally return it's going to be looking for a new meal.

imagine if CH could bring her back again. that'd be nasty even the changing of the worlds couldn't keep it away. was there actual ressurection or did it just step in when she tried to commit suicide?

if it was ressurection, that would be a cool ritual to bring someone back mellenia later based on their pattern. imagine the fools lining up at the institute of chantrel's horror to learn that one and bring back some poor lost relative.

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i am so genuinely sorry this thing has made it to 18 pages. can we banish it without further damage to kagetenshi?

It was genuinely resurrection caused by a special power that the Horror has that more or less rebuilds the person. It does have some limits on how it can use it, but in general most people are screwed.
Banishing this thread will cause an immediate Astral Slice attack on me.

~J

That's what you get for binding it to yourself with a little blood.

And I just let a copy of the Horrors sourcebook slip through my fingers. Blast. If anyone reading this thread won it, allow me to now call you a bastard and then congratulate you.

~J

No, I was waiting to snipe and then lost track of the time. It was my own idiotic mistake. Had I been more on the ball, yes, we would have been bidding against each other


~J

Or so we can keep track of what items the other is bidding on, in case there's a good one we can steal

~J

Yeah, I missed that copy of Horrors too. Ah well.

Managed to pick up three SR adventures for less than $15 though. Trying to collect stuff with all the bug/Horror related info. Speaking of which, are the bug adventures in Super Tuesday and Shadows of the Underworld any good?

Well, presumably they were beaten at least once before. And the people who beat them didn't have jet planes and tanks.

Well, not, actually. We hid and when the mana went away, so did the Horrors. I know there's a lot of thread to read, but I'm pretty sure it's been said before.

Or nukes, lasers, nanotechnology, Bio and chemical warfare, an understanding of tactics, Orbital cannons capable of reducing city's to large craters, anti-mana and mana eating bacteria and the list goes on and on.

I'm not saying it will be an easy fight, but it will be a fight we win without question.

Unless of course there is some kind of technological apocalypse between now and then. If that happens were screwed.

Your opposition has a greater history of bio-engineering, has created sentient microorganisms, and has altered the state of a living creature into a different species. Most of your bio-weapons are bacteria and virii that you found and isolated. You mana-active bacteria are also things that were found to be naturally occuping, or an uncontrolled mutation that turned out to be potentially useful.

Nukes: no official equivalent, all debate is theoretical
Lasers: magical equivalents are old ideas, the tech version might do better
Chemical: whether any compounds that are toxic to humans have anny effect on outsiders is unknown
Other biological detail: unless two species have very similar biology, a disease will not be infectious to the target, most biological weapons are more uncertain tahn chemical weapons, only a few show promise
Tactics: not new, last time, humanity fought with every tactic and dirty trick they could think of
Orbital cannons: calculate the time to drop a rock versus the time to escape the kill zone at 6000 km/h
Nanotech: can surpass biological warfare, once you learn enough about a target biology to configure it correctly

How many men with swords does it take to kill a vampire?

How many vampires can a highly trained adept/street same in (mil spec)powered amror with laser rifle kill?

200 years ago,that man in could carry the fire power of a company.That's with small arm fire.

Humanity has larger armies now,than it ever did in any time of peace.Our armies are built around more fire power per-person,and it is working.The war in iraq is proof of that.I think 500 deaths on our side. Go back 60 years,when assaults on smaller armed bases (than iraq.Towns even!) had that number in a day.

We drive tanks that are all but immune to anything predating the civil war.If I am right,this includes navel guns!

Our planes can kill planes from 50 years ago and never be seen on radar.

Our hellacpoters can stop all the air power 60 years ago.

Now, given that 100 years,it unlikely to have fighter/bombers that aren't going into in LO, if not space it's self.

Now, given the facts that the speed we are arming ourselves, anything I say now will be pointless in 200 years,let alone 2,000 years.

Just for fun I did a few calculations on how powerful that chunk of nickle iron would be. If we assume our Iron-Nickle projectile weighs 5 kilograms (Fairly light, it could easily be triple digits) then:

Energy = 2.250E+9 Joules (2,250,000,000)
A ton of explosive translates into 4,184,000,000 Joules.
In other words a 5 kilo orbital bombard is worth about half a kiloton. Which, as we've seen already, will wipe out anything.

Math is fun. Here's another fun bit of Math:

In Earthdawn a great Dragon is worth about 450,000 Legend Points (LP). Verjigorm is worth about 2,000,000 LP.

While Dragons were totally unbeatable in Earthdawn, in Shadowrun metahumans are so badass it's quite possible to make an adept capable of killing a great dragon in melee combat at chargen, much less what you can do with 5 initiations and a force 12 weapon foci. Thus a Shadowrunner might well be worth 450,000 LP all by himself. However such characters are generally called munchy so let's ignore that.

Instead we'll go back to our old favorite Shadows of the Underworld and Masaru. He got his scaly butt handed to him by 4 elite veteran shadowrunners who then proceeded to steal his most precious possession, his egg. (Incidentally, since we've heard that great dragon lairs are essentially Kaers, does that mean that any old team of Shadowrunners can break into a Kaer, which is capable of holding off the combined might of all the Horrors at once? Dang, those horrors are really looking scary now.) Be that as it may, these shadowrunners had to physically combat the dragon and subdue him (at least one had claw marks), and also deal with any magic and magical defenses the dragon had. That establishes that they couldn't have shot him in his sleep or something, this was a real battle. But they won.

So, 4 elite shadowrunners = 1 great dragon. 5 Great Dragons = Verjigorm.
Nasty math result coming up.

1 Person with knowledge of Verjigorm's powers and location + 20 elite battle-hardened shadowrunners/mercenaries/specop fighters = no more Verjigorm.

He's the toughest horror there is. And yet simple math strongly implies any City, Megacorp, or even the larger street gangs, given reasonable knowledge of what and who verjigorm is and his location, can kill him with a low-budget strike team. Using nothing but current Shadowrun technology, actually stuff a few years out of date. The smartest thing a horror can do is never, ever, come into our world. Or if it does, make like a vampire or insect spirit and hide under a rock praying the authorities never find you.

Dunno, with a troll sized cyber-torso, there is probably plenty of room behind the navel to stick a naval gun. Technology wins again!

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Screw the nukes and sharp sticks, when the horrors come and see how bad our puns are, they will decide that they couldn't possibly inflict any more pain and suffering on us. Then they will just go home.
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All have to say is,

Just watch, and bring the hotdogs.