Yeek!
Dodge test: 5 combat pool
05 05 02 01 01 = 2 successes
geesh... with the 2 successes on the attack, this is a successful dodge right?
otherwise, with only 2 impact armor.. target number 8! geesh...
and a quick question before Daedalus's action - how much can a character speak if they speak as part of their action? (as in, no shooting, just yelling some sort of ultimatum... lets say after jandering over to pick up what is hopefully a bomb in a box and threatening to open it)
if he can't say much, it'll effect the post.
I'll be back this afternoon to post my action.
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Re words/free actions, what follows is a repost from the LitS OOC thread. It's not a final ruling, Shadow, we may or may not want to take it to e-mail discussion, but at least it gives some sense of guideline. (It's based on the most common theory of the approximate "size"/processing capacity of short-term memory: eg. the length of phone numbers.)
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| QUOTE (WinterRat1 @ Jul 28 2005, 05:27 AM) |
| One more question Shadow- 1. Is Goon B firing his Ares Predator on BF, or just SA? From the description 9S with 3 successes, I'm reading it as being a basic Ares Predator (9M), that was staged up to 9S because of the successes, NOT from BF or any other intrinsic quality that raised the damage level to S, correct? That's a two success difference I would need to stage to nothing, so it matters a lot as far as combat pool allocation. In other words, it's basically 9M with 3 successes to stage up, NOT 9S with 3 successes to stage up, correct? |
You are correct, just a regular Pred, no BF.
TiredRonin, you do in fact win the dodge test, ties to the defender.
We covered the whole speaking thing a few pages back. A round is 3 seconds, there are 3 phases in this round of which you get to participate in two of. You can speak 2 words, one for each of the free actions you will get. One on the first round, one on the second. Combat is not the time to be making complicated statements.
@ Sedna, is the 1 word per point of Int in an optional rule book? Thats the second time its been brought up and I have never seen it before.
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Okay, sorry Shadow, I'd read that differently. Also forgot that you'd ruled it specifically to three words here. Mea culpa.
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Body Test at TN 2, no Combat Pool used
Weapon Power = 9
Ballistic = 9
9 - 9 = 0, raised to minimum of 2
Shot 1: 05 05 04 04 03 03 02 02 = 8 successes
3 successes to cancel out Goon’s 3 successes
2 successes M to L
2 successes L to nothing
1 success left over
Net result: No damage
Shot 2: 05 05 05 05 04 03 02 02 = 8 successes
2 successes to cancel out Goon’s 2 successes
2 successes M to L
2 successes L to nothing
2 successes left over
Net result: No damage
Short version: Dragon stands there, takes it, no damage.
Shadow- It’s not immediately relevant, but can we get an interim ruling on how much Daedalus and Dragon can communicate via transducer? Spoken words were addressed earlier, but communication via transducer and direct headware radio link was not. It might be relevant next round.
Weapon Power = 9
Ballistic = 9
9 - 9 = 0, raised to minimum of 2
Shot 1: 05 05 04 04 03 03 02 02 = 8 successes
3 successes to cancel out Goon’s 3 successes
2 successes M to L
2 successes L to nothing
1 success left over
Net result: No damage
Shot 2: 05 05 05 05 04 03 02 02 = 8 successes
2 successes to cancel out Goon’s 2 successes
2 successes M to L
2 successes L to nothing
2 successes left over
Net result: No damage
Short version: Dragon stands there, takes it, no damage.
Shadow- It’s not immediately relevant, but can we get an interim ruling on how much Daedalus and Dragon can communicate via transducer? Spoken words were addressed earlier, but communication via transducer and direct headware radio link was not. It might be relevant next round.
You could probably exchange more complex ideas via transducer than via spoken. So keep it short and you should be fine.
hrm i guess I didn't specify clearly enough.
Daedalus is considering running over grabbing the package in an attempt to stop combat by threatening to open what is (presumably) a bomb.
no other actions so the movement and talking would be the simple/complex action.
That being the case, that is, dedicating an entire simple action, would this grant the ability to speak more than the free action?
I am seriously reconsidering the inertia of this battle though and questioning if that is a wise choice, but I guess I am still curious if one does dedicate an entire action to speaking, does this entitle them to say more despite the same 3 second round? essentially making it pointless to spend a whole simple action to speak.
(keeping the word restriction makes the most logical sense to me, but wanted to bounce it off the GMs real quick).
If Daedalus CAN say more however, he will, if not.. he'll probably go dive for cover. : P
Daedalus is considering running over grabbing the package in an attempt to stop combat by threatening to open what is (presumably) a bomb.
no other actions so the movement and talking would be the simple/complex action.
That being the case, that is, dedicating an entire simple action, would this grant the ability to speak more than the free action?
I am seriously reconsidering the inertia of this battle though and questioning if that is a wise choice, but I guess I am still curious if one does dedicate an entire action to speaking, does this entitle them to say more despite the same 3 second round? essentially making it pointless to spend a whole simple action to speak.
(keeping the word restriction makes the most logical sense to me, but wanted to bounce it off the GMs real quick).
If Daedalus CAN say more however, he will, if not.. he'll probably go dive for cover. : P
Its a tough call, but no. I don't think dedcating a simple action to talking lets you say more. So start diving.
Lettig Dragon do all the hard work eh?
Lettig Dragon do all the hard work eh?
What the crap? Start shooting you coward! I'm not invincible you know. 
Shadow- Since I'm almost up again, question. Does Goon B count as a stationary target on my action in Pass 2 even though he dived and rolled last pass? I'm asking since you specifically stated that he fired at me at point blank range, and I just stood there and took it. It seems to me that on my turn he should therefore be right in front of me, and thus he might qualify for stationary target modifier.
Shadow- Since I'm almost up again, question. Does Goon B count as a stationary target on my action in Pass 2 even though he dived and rolled last pass? I'm asking since you specifically stated that he fired at me at point blank range, and I just stood there and took it. It seems to me that on my turn he should therefore be right in front of me, and thus he might qualify for stationary target modifier.
I thought he was the brains and you were the guns? Isn't that why he and Virgil hang out with you?
ok, ok, so I reviewed the map, and was under the impression that the room was crammed full of combatants, but this does not seem to be the case. (sorry, havn't been able to catch up on my reading much... as demonstrated by my question about speaking)
This being the case, and the fact that it seems that the intertia of the battle is too great, Daedalus will quick draw his Ingram Smartgun and, while tempted to shoot at Vinnie, will instead turn and fire a 4 round full auto burst into Goon B. Also sending Dragon a message (via tranducer) to switch targets since they do not want Vinnie dead and Daedalus did not have to foresight to load HIS gel ammo.
Question: Is Dragon in the way of my shot for Goon B?
if so Daedalus will add to his message a "get out of the way" and hold action till Dragon moves to give him a clear shot.
Otherwise he'll take the shot.
Quickdraw test:
Reaction 7, TN 4+2 for non-proper holster (it is slung around his neck) = 6
09 05 05 05 05 02 01 = 1 success
And if I can shoot now:
hrm what is the moving status of the target? after that roll would it be attacker running? would this change if Daedalus delayed his action till the next round?
this will effect the number of combat pool dice used.
This being the case, and the fact that it seems that the intertia of the battle is too great, Daedalus will quick draw his Ingram Smartgun and, while tempted to shoot at Vinnie, will instead turn and fire a 4 round full auto burst into Goon B. Also sending Dragon a message (via tranducer) to switch targets since they do not want Vinnie dead and Daedalus did not have to foresight to load HIS gel ammo.
Question: Is Dragon in the way of my shot for Goon B?
if so Daedalus will add to his message a "get out of the way" and hold action till Dragon moves to give him a clear shot.
Otherwise he'll take the shot.
Quickdraw test:
Reaction 7, TN 4+2 for non-proper holster (it is slung around his neck) = 6
09 05 05 05 05 02 01 = 1 success
And if I can shoot now:
hrm what is the moving status of the target? after that roll would it be attacker running? would this change if Daedalus delayed his action till the next round?
this will effect the number of combat pool dice used.
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| I'm asking since you specifically stated that he fired at me at point blank range, and I just stood there and took it. It seems to me that on my turn he should therefore be right in front of me, and thus he might qualify for stationary target modifier. |
Theoretically this is all happening at the same time. I believ if you move in your pass you are considered moving for the turn. So the standard +1 or +2 tn applies.
TR, Winterrat is not in your way to shoot.
Shadow- That's where it gets a bit fuzzy. Because:
Target Stationary: -1
Target Running +2
Between the two modifiers is 'Target Walking/Moving but not Running', which is a 0 modifier. So basically I was wondering whether Goon B and Vinnie now have -1, 0, or +2 to be hit, since obviously you're describing their movement in a certain way, but it's not necessarily clear what the modifier is. So I just wanted to check on that for planning purposes.
Target Stationary: -1
Target Running +2
Between the two modifiers is 'Target Walking/Moving but not Running', which is a 0 modifier. So basically I was wondering whether Goon B and Vinnie now have -1, 0, or +2 to be hit, since obviously you're describing their movement in a certain way, but it's not necessarily clear what the modifier is. So I just wanted to check on that for planning purposes.
Gotcha, they would be considering running, +2.
Virgil is up next.
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Er wait a sec, Ronin hasn't posted his shot yet. Since Dragon isn't in the way I believe he's going to shoot before this pass is over, correct Ronin?
EDIT: Um, or maybe he rolled somewhere and I just didn't see it, looking at the IC post. Never mind, I"ll just shut up now.
EDIT: Um, or maybe he rolled somewhere and I just didn't see it, looking at the IC post. Never mind, I"ll just shut up now.
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| Otherwise he'll take the shot. Quickdraw test: Reaction 7, TN 4+2 for non-proper holster (it is slung around his neck) = 6 09 05 05 05 05 02 01 = 1 success |
I have a great respect for you rat, and it would wound me if you did indeed shutup.
That's the quickdraw test to clear the weapon, that's not his actual shot.
Pg. 107, SR3 (I'm skipping some of the text to the middle of the first paragraph)
Pg. 107, SR3 (I'm skipping some of the text to the middle of the first paragraph)
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| Only 1 success is necessary to clear the weapon...If the test is successful, the character may draw the pistol and fire normally. If the test fails, he cannot fire the gun this combat phase. |
Hence, that test was only for the purposes of clearing the weapon. He cleared it successfully, but that's why he asked if I was in the way, because he did not make his actual SMG test.
That is my reading of his post at least.
Right, I was waiting on the status of the target... to figure out how many combat pool dice I should sink into this to make it work.
I'll just post the roll up:
TN 4 (short range)
+2 target running
+4 Full auto 4 bullets
-2 Gas vent recoil comp
-2 Smartlink
TN = 6
SMG 3 + 3 combat pool
11 04 04 02 01 01 = 1 success
base damage code 7M + 4 bullets = 11S
Good grief, that was close.
but only one success : (
I'll just post the roll up:
TN 4 (short range)
+2 target running
+4 Full auto 4 bullets
-2 Gas vent recoil comp
-2 Smartlink
TN = 6
SMG 3 + 3 combat pool
11 04 04 02 01 01 = 1 success
base damage code 7M + 4 bullets = 11S
Good grief, that was close.
but only one success : (
I am an idiot, my turn to shut up. I thought that was the shoot test.
its all good Shadow 
Daedalus made the shot..
not as long as goon B doesn't dodge... ... : P
Daedalus made the shot..not as long as goon B doesn't dodge... ... : P
hey all, I'm back now. I've caught up on the posts and will post my turn when it next appears.
Cedric
Cedric
you didn't see the post where Erebus got the Icepick in the ear? Skanks dead man...
Whose turn is it Shadow? Has Ronin's shot been resolved yet?
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Virgil.
Ronin was resolved in my last IC post.
OK, wasn't sure if the result of clearing up the quickdraw and firearm success rolls was going to cause a different result.
It was virtually the same.
Virgil held his action last round, that held action has expired. Are you going to hold his action this round as well?
Virgil held his action last round, that held action has expired. Are you going to hold his action this round as well?
Shadow, is Erebus next? I'm coming up soon so I'll post my unarmed combat roll now and then let you post it. I'm going to be in court most of the day.
Shadow, since I'm not going to be available until late today.
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Shadow, since I'm not going to be available until late today.
Erebus is after Virgil. If Virg doesn't post by this afternoon I will continue without him.
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Shadow- To begin planning for my turn (after Erebus) a few clarifications. If you could confirm or deny the following statements/answer the questions, that would be very helpful.
1. Goon A and Tenmou are engaged in melee combat.
2. Bartender and Erebus are engaged in melee combat.
3. Goon B is down but not dead, although possibly out of the fight (due to professional rating or something like that)
4. Vinnie has retreated further into the booth. How much (if any) cover does he have in there?
5. Dragon has shot at and hit Goons A and B, although how much damage he has done is uncertain.
1. Goon A and Tenmou are engaged in melee combat.
2. Bartender and Erebus are engaged in melee combat.
3. Goon B is down but not dead, although possibly out of the fight (due to professional rating or something like that)
4. Vinnie has retreated further into the booth. How much (if any) cover does he have in there?
5. Dragon has shot at and hit Goons A and B, although how much damage he has done is uncertain.
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| 1. Goon A and Tenmou are engaged in melee combat. |
Correct
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| 2. Bartender and Erebus are engaged in melee combat. |
Correct
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| 3. Goon B is down but not dead, although possibly out of the fight (due to professional rating or something like that) |
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| 4. Vinnie has retreated further into the booth. How much (if any) cover does he have in there? |
Partial Cover
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| 5. Dragon has shot at and hit Goons A and B, although how much damage he has done is uncertain. |
Correct
Erebus, you win your round with the bartender, feel free to post. You do a light wound to him.
Dragon is up next.
Shadow-
Dragon going to shift slightly towards the wall to get a better field of fire. He’ll move as far as he can without having to actually spend an action, using free actions, if it’s allowed. Basically shifting, not even walking really, if it counts an any type of action other than a free action and/or if it interferes with him yelling ‘Drop it!’ (see below) then I won’t have him move.
He will train both guns on Vinnie but other than that will hold action. For a free action, he’ll yell “Drop it!”
It is a free action to drop a weapon I believe? (true/false) I need a ruling on this, it’ll affect the timing of my held action coming into play.
Other than that, I’m done.
Note: Although I’m assuming that Goon B will probably be substantially impaired and Goon A will be busy this pass fighting Tenmou, Dragon is still paying attention to Goons A and B. If it looks like they’re going to do something drastic that might turn the tide, Dragon will interrupt their action to fire at them.
PS The transmission to Daedalus would happen during the intervening passes, not necessarily RIGHT ON Dragon’s turn, and is flavor text mostly. Let me know if I’ve overstepped acceptable communication limits, and if so, I’ll edit and delete it.
Dragon going to shift slightly towards the wall to get a better field of fire. He’ll move as far as he can without having to actually spend an action, using free actions, if it’s allowed. Basically shifting, not even walking really, if it counts an any type of action other than a free action and/or if it interferes with him yelling ‘Drop it!’ (see below) then I won’t have him move.
He will train both guns on Vinnie but other than that will hold action. For a free action, he’ll yell “Drop it!”
It is a free action to drop a weapon I believe? (true/false) I need a ruling on this, it’ll affect the timing of my held action coming into play.
Other than that, I’m done.
Note: Although I’m assuming that Goon B will probably be substantially impaired and Goon A will be busy this pass fighting Tenmou, Dragon is still paying attention to Goons A and B. If it looks like they’re going to do something drastic that might turn the tide, Dragon will interrupt their action to fire at them.
PS The transmission to Daedalus would happen during the intervening passes, not necessarily RIGHT ON Dragon’s turn, and is flavor text mostly. Let me know if I’ve overstepped acceptable communication limits, and if so, I’ll edit and delete it.
Sorry, forgot Ced is out of town, posted. Drag is up.
Remember, movement isn't an action, it does not cost actions to walk or run, just to drop prone or crawl. And it is a free action to drop a gun, your plan sounds good Rat.
Consider me just shifting then, not even walking. In game terms, moving enough that it’s +0 for anyone to hit me, and +0 for me to hit anyone else. So moving enough not to be totally stationary, but not enough to throw off my aim or anything. Is that acceptable?
Sounds good.
Can Dragon talk freely with Vinnie now, or are we still in ‘combat’ time?
Go ahead and spit out what you need to say, you found anatural pause in the fight and took advantage of it.
Okay, I'm available now. Of course my phase is already finished but I'm available now. Thanks Shadow, sorry about that, real life keeps getting in the way of my hobbies.
Cedric
Cedric
Shadow, am I still engaged in hand to hand with the bartender? I'm planning on drawing my gun after taking a couple of steps back from the barkeep(I don't want any blood on my shoes) and I want to know if the bartender is going to be resistant.
The conversation going on over by Vinnie would not likely be sufficient to stop the exchange of blows between the bartender and myself. I'm just trying to figure out whether we're still in combat or not.
The conversation going on over by Vinnie would not likely be sufficient to stop the exchange of blows between the bartender and myself. I'm just trying to figure out whether we're still in combat or not.
As soon as Dragon yelled the Bartender backed off. You can choos to continue it if you want, or you could step back and draw your gun.
Thanks, Shadow.
Can I ask how everyone in the universe seems to believe that Tenmou and I are a team? I've not talked to him, looked at him, helped him, anything and yet WinterRat1 just told Vinnie that we were a team.
Is that an assumption on the part of Rat? If so then that's fine but remember that Vinnie might not make the same assumptions.
Can I ask how everyone in the universe seems to believe that Tenmou and I are a team? I've not talked to him, looked at him, helped him, anything and yet WinterRat1 just told Vinnie that we were a team.
Is that an assumption on the part of Rat? If so then that's fine but remember that Vinnie might not make the same assumptions.
Cedric- It's an assumption on Dragon's part. He noticed that you (Erebus) weren't fighting on the Mob's side, and while it was possible Erebus could be a random bystander, if so, he's a pretty dangerous random bystander to be in a Mob bar, and an unusual one for not just getting the heck out, since no one really saw or noticed him until he dived over the bar.
And Dragon feels it would be stretching things if three guys who had business with Vinnie just happened to be there all at the same time.
That's the basis for his assumption, but you're completely right, he's just assuming, and more importantly, trying to create separation in Vinnie's mind from him and Daedalus with everyone else by attempting to foster those assumptions in Vinnie's perception as well.
Does that give you some OOC insight into what I'm posting?
And Dragon feels it would be stretching things if three guys who had business with Vinnie just happened to be there all at the same time.
That's the basis for his assumption, but you're completely right, he's just assuming, and more importantly, trying to create separation in Vinnie's mind from him and Daedalus with everyone else by attempting to foster those assumptions in Vinnie's perception as well.
Does that give you some OOC insight into what I'm posting?
Yup, thank you.
Shadow, does Erebus have an idea how long it would take Lone Star to react to that kind of exchange of rapid fire? I've got security procedures but I don't think I have any other knowledge skills that would apply.
I'm going to drop a roll with sec. proc. and one with Int. without knowing the target numbers. It's been about 1 minutes since the first shots were fired.
I'm going to drop a roll with sec. proc. and one with Int. without knowing the target numbers. It's been about 1 minutes since the first shots were fired.
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If they were called, 5 to 10 minutes.
SR13 and Cedric- So in case you couldn’t tell from Ronin’s last IC post, we’re starting to feel a little plot hammered (translation: set-up) here, and frankly, Dragon and Daedalus (and us the players) aren’t really interested in playing this trigger happy maniac mob boss’s game.
He doesn’t seem to realize that we are holding all the guns right now, and he’s got a pretty screwed up sense of who tried to kill who. Not to mention the whole who owes who thing. Ronin and I are going to try to play the good cop, bad cop routine to get something out of it for Daedalus and Dragon, but do your characters want anything out of this as well? If he’s going to lump us together, we may as well negotiate together.
Because this is a sticky situation that involves all of us, yet only Dragon and Daedalus would feasibly be able to communicate with each other, I received permission to open discussions in the OOC thread with all four of us (five including you Bandit, which you are of course welcome to join) so we can try to work something out ahead of time and keep the peace in the IC thread between characters if and when things go to hell (even further than they already have).
If you guys want to chime in with your thoughts, maybe we could get some suggestions to how we can all walk out of here with something to make it worthwhile to help this guy, because if he’s not going to give us any reason to trust him or want to deal with him like he’s been doing, frankly whacking him here and now is starting to appear as the most attractive option.
He doesn’t seem to realize that we are holding all the guns right now, and he’s got a pretty screwed up sense of who tried to kill who. Not to mention the whole who owes who thing. Ronin and I are going to try to play the good cop, bad cop routine to get something out of it for Daedalus and Dragon, but do your characters want anything out of this as well? If he’s going to lump us together, we may as well negotiate together.
Because this is a sticky situation that involves all of us, yet only Dragon and Daedalus would feasibly be able to communicate with each other, I received permission to open discussions in the OOC thread with all four of us (five including you Bandit, which you are of course welcome to join) so we can try to work something out ahead of time and keep the peace in the IC thread between characters if and when things go to hell (even further than they already have).
If you guys want to chime in with your thoughts, maybe we could get some suggestions to how we can all walk out of here with something to make it worthwhile to help this guy, because if he’s not going to give us any reason to trust him or want to deal with him like he’s been doing, frankly whacking him here and now is starting to appear as the most attractive option.
Does that mean I can't read it?
Does that answer your question? 
EDIT: Go ahead and read them, and comment if you like.
EDIT: Go ahead and read them, and comment if you like.
WinterRat
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