WinterRat1
Aug 8 2005, 07:22 PM
And see therein lies the rub. Does it look like psycho Vinnie is just going to let Erebus (or any of us) be? Given the way he’s acted so far and what you’ve seen and heard, do you (Erebus) really trust him not to pull out the ‘you just owe me one more job and you’re clear’ card after this job is done?
That’s kind of the point here, that it doesn’t look like he’s going to leave any of us alone or let any of us walk away. The man:
-shoots at his own customers
-doesn’t give anyone a chance to talk and doesn’t listen when they do
-is on a power trip
-clearly has delusions, specifically regarding who was trying to kill who and who started this whole mess (not to mention who should owe who as a result)
-doesn’t strike me as either a reasonable person OR someone who’ll stick to his end of a deal. He already shot at his own customers without provocation. Why would any of us believe that he won’t screw us over even worse when he’s holding all the cards, as opposed to simply some of them?
Given that possible conclusion, would Erebus be willing to team up with Dragon and Co.? Perhaps we assist you and Tenmou in squaring things with your Johnson in exchange for you two helping us get Daedalus’s stuff?
I’m just tossing ideas out and brainstorming right now, but those are a couple things that have been running through our minds, and I’m curious what you and SR13 are thinking. Specifically, what I really would like to know is, do either of you really trust him to call it square even if we do exactly what he tells us to?
Shadow
Aug 8 2005, 07:59 PM
Hey I got it the first time. Now your just making me feel bad
Cedric Rolfsson
Aug 8 2005, 08:36 PM
WinterRat
[ Spoiler ]
Rat, I don't trust Vinnie, but I also recognize that he's not got a lot of leverage against us. He doesn't know who we are,(except for Daed) and the plex is a big place to disappear in. The only problem I see is that if Vinnie starts hunting us he has an awful lot of dogs, we're winning because we chose the time and place for this confrontation. If we give him a walk now he may chose the next time and place for a confrontation.
Absolutely I'd be willing to help Dragon's Inc. One of Erebus' prime motivating factors is to hook up with a crew of runners. How he goes about it is less important than actually doing it so ya, Erebus is likely to jump at the chance to work with you guys. And he's got a series of skills and contacts that would likely be useful to any crew.
WinterRat1
Aug 9 2005, 12:44 PM
Shadow- Go ahead and post Vinnie’s response, right now we’re just kicking around various ways to reply to what Vinnie says, but until we know how he responds to Daedalus, we’re just speculating. There’s no need to wait on us at this point in time. Sorry if I didn’t make that clear and inadvertently held things up, btw.
WinterRat1
Aug 9 2005, 02:44 PM
Apparently I misinterpreted my instructions to discuss in the OOC thread. Shadow, feel free to read our spoilers. They're just plans/thoughts/ideas. So go ahead and read them and comment if/as you see fit. I'm going to remove the 'Shadow stay out' tags, so read and comment away.
Shadow
Aug 9 2005, 03:44 PM
I am sooo confused.
You didn't want me reading them and now you do?
Shadowrunner13
Aug 9 2005, 05:06 PM
I am kind of lost as to what exactly happened in the grand scheme of things.

One moment I'm making a simple delivery (with a code phrase I just knew I'd get into trouble with...), next I've been shot and badly wounded and I'm supposed to want to work for this dip?
Tenmou is a pretty easy going guy, but he doesn't take kindly to being shot...
He would have no problems working with Dragon and Daedalus. If he's going to get anything from this putz, it'll be a respectible amount of coinage (more than he was supposed to be paid for delivering the original package, that's for sure...).
Shadow
Aug 9 2005, 05:18 PM
QUOTE (Tenmou) |
One moment I'm making a simple delivery (with a code phrase I just knew I'd get into trouble with...), next I've been shot and badly wounded and I'm supposed to want to work for this dip? |
Well in his eyes you have insulted him and threatened him. He has honor and face to keep after all.
WinterRat1
Aug 9 2005, 10:46 PM
Shadow- Just ignore the previous 'don't read these' comments. Sorry for the confusion, consider it a mistake on my part and continually learning how to better play by post (I've only been doing this a year and change, so I'm still learning how to adapt to this method of gaming, gonna make mistakes somewhere, so consider this one of those mistakes).
So feel free to read everything and comment as you see fit. Sorry again for the confusion!
Cedric Rolfsson
Aug 10 2005, 04:07 PM
SR13 I tend to agree with you about who owes what to whom, but Shadow is also correct. Remember, Vinnie is a leader among his troops, and he can't be seen as backing down under threat or his rep would be destroyed. He gains mondo cool points from his superiors by being fearless in the face of a bunch of would be assassins etc. He was being threatened by guns and one of the first things he did was check on his fallen solider, that'll gain him respect from those below him.
Shadow, Erebus will scan the sidewalk and the street, including rooftops, looking for snipers, drones, blimps carrying missiles, large angry gun-wielding Italians, etc., as much as possible from just within the door to the restaurant.
[ Spoiler ]
01, 03, 09, 10, 11
What a waste of a good roll. Odds are there is absolutely no bad guys out there waiting to be seen and I get that kind of roll. Sad.
[\spoiler]
Shadow
Aug 10 2005, 04:12 PM
I would like you guys to discuss your 'Exit' strategy OOC before you all go posting that you leave.
WinterRat1
Aug 10 2005, 04:29 PM
Great...here's where it really gets ugly. Lunch now, I'll look to post when I get back.
EDIT: Argh behind at work, cannot get it up now, I'll have to get to this when I can.
For now, I would suggest that Daedalus's drones and/or Virgil give us a scan of the outside before we head out of the building.
Tiredronin
Aug 10 2005, 10:48 PM
yeah, Daedalus will scan the outside (he should still have a good view of all approaches) give the all clear then move out. Should be a simple action to jump into a drone right? (probably Talos, better sensors).
exit? well I dunno how the other two got here but D&D have a car... It would seem to me that the 4 of these guys need to sit down somewhere and plan out their next steps.
Meanwhile, Daedalus is going to try to remain on high alert as much as possible... don't want to be surprised by any more of those missiles coming out of nowhere.
Wonder how much Virgil was about to discern of what happened... you can't hear voices in astral space right? : P
Cedric Rolfsson
Aug 10 2005, 11:58 PM
Exit strategy:
Open door. Walk through doorway. Close door.
Really, I figure I'm covering the exit from the lounge area from entry foyer. I recognize that my exit was a little precipitous but I had no desire to stand around and jabber at Vinnie anymore when my next action was likely to involve placing several hot-lead souvenirs into Vinnie's chest cavity for being an ass.
It's my sincere hope that someone else will go out the door first while I cover the team's exit. I'm also planning on suggesting a alternate rally point where we can all gather for a initial meeting and 'get-to-know-you' session, but my plan was to wait until Dragon is walking past me to talk to him since he was the talker among the other runners.
Shadow, Erebus has exited the lounge already and is now standing by the front door. According to previous posts, this puts me within a couple of feet of the entrance/exit of the lounge. Can I still see what is happening in the lounge area near SR13 and D&D(

)?
Sedna
Aug 11 2005, 12:20 PM
QUOTE |
I am kind of lost as to what exactly happened in the grand scheme of things.  |
For what it's worth, that seems to be fairly universal in this thread
Shadowrunner13
Aug 11 2005, 12:48 PM
Tenmou is going to leave carefully... he's already taken a nasty gunshot, he'd rather not take a second. He's going to watch his back as he leaves and make sure he's out of line of sight from the restaurant before he gives any indication as to where he parked his wheels.
WinterRat1
Aug 11 2005, 01:05 PM
QUOTE |
For what it's worth, that seems to be fairly universal in this thread |
Hey, we were caught up in the intensity of the moment. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Dragon is going to motion Tenmou and Daedalus out before him, and also radio Daedalus to get a status update of the outside via his drones. Dragon figures that if there is a sudden change of heart on Vinnie's side (i.e. he decides to just start shooting) it's better that he's the last one out, and he knows Erebus already went out first, so he figures he can handle his end. We're fine with meeting somewhere else to talk, and we can probably help Tenmou with medical attention, but right now, we don't really have anywhere overly appropriate to go. Dragon's planning on talking to Tenmou and Erebus together since he isn't sure which one was the leader, they seemed like a partnership.
Cedric Rolfsson
Aug 11 2005, 03:19 PM
Erebus and Tenmou are a partnership in the same way Larry, Moe, and Curly were a partnership, mobile disaster looking for a place to land.
WinterRat1, so you're aware, Tenmou and I already arranged a rally point, the food court at the Auburn Mall in case something went bad and we had to separate. When Dragon approaches, Erebus is going to allow Dragon to exit first to secure the outside, and as he leaves I'm planning on suggesting a similar rally point and a time for another meeting.
This would seem like relatively secure exit scenario, you cover us out of the lounge while I move ahead and secure the next area, then cover you as you stair-step through to the next area and secure that etc. etc. as needed.
This would let us clear the area immediately and separately, we meet in a public place where it would be difficult to cause a ruckus and all of us can watch for trailers, then at THAT meeting we can establish a more secured meeting point where we can sit down and get to know each other.
I've got a meeting place for us, once I feel comfortable enough with knowing this isn't a trap, I'm going to suggest we gather at my apartment in Milton(Tacoma), and use that as a base of operations until something better comes along.
Shadow, I hope I'm not going beyond what you said you wanted us to discuss. What I'm thinking is that, as long as you don't plan it otherwise, we can exit the immediate area and then skip quickly past the meeting at whatever location (bar, park, whatever) with a simple Stealth roll to check for people tracking, and then move directly to meeting at my apartment in Tacoma if that's okay with you.
Shadow
Aug 11 2005, 03:19 PM
OK give me some time to write up the exit.
WinterRat1
Aug 11 2005, 03:26 PM
That is never a good sign.

(think of it as looking around)
Shadow
Aug 11 2005, 04:24 PM
Geez you guys are so paranoid. You know you don't spring the trap till after your out in the open, not before.
banditf50
Aug 11 2005, 05:49 PM
Ok everyone . . . my excuses for not posting have long run out and it's time that I got back into the swing of things. Virgil is going to move to the astral space outside of the place and scan the area before returning to his physical body.
aura reading: 11 07 05 03
perception: 11 08 04 03 02 01
Cedric Rolfsson
Aug 11 2005, 08:13 PM
Shadow can Erebus and Dragon now converse? I'm going to suggest to him that we meet in Tacoma at a bar near the docks. I'm going to make up the name of the bar since its irrelevant in the grand scheme of things if that's okay. Just let me know when I'm free to post.
Shadow
Aug 11 2005, 08:21 PM
You are free to post. I just didn't want you all piling out of there without communicating to each other OOC what you wanted to do.
Remember, feel free to communicate OOC as much as you want. In a table top setting I would say differently, but I am learning that in a PbP game it is critical.
banditf50
Aug 12 2005, 06:30 PM
Shadow: Virgil is returning to his physial body where he will remain astrally percieving. He will report to Dragon after giving the watchers a chance to look around.
Lazarius: 05 04 03
Danagrath: 08 04 02
*Both have a force (and thus intelligence) of 3. I believe that they both get a -1 to their TN to search because they are both searching together but I won't have MiTS in front of me for a few hours.
Cedric Rolfsson
Aug 12 2005, 10:13 PM
Uhhh, Bandit/Shadow? I noticed a problem with my character sheet that I need a ruling on.
When I put together Erebus' char. sheet I added some Neurostun IV grenades. The sheet got OK'd.
I was looking at joining the Abyss post and put a character sheet together for that and when I was doing so I noticed that the Neurostun grenade is avail 8. How do you want me to handle this?
Shadow
Aug 12 2005, 10:37 PM
I don't see the problem.
Take it up with your world GM, if something needs ajusting I will go with whatever he decides.
WinterRat1
Aug 13 2005, 03:16 AM
QUOTE |
Geez you guys are so paranoid. You know you don't spring the trap till after your out in the open, not before |
Funny how the last couple times Dragon's been out in the open, wouldn't you know it...ambush...no wonder shadowrunners are all so paranoid. At least we've got that paranoid atmosphere thing down in LITS.
QUOTE |
Remember, feel free to communicate OOC as much as you want. In a table top setting I would say differently, but I am learning that in a PbP game it is critical. |
No kidding. In all honesty, I think that's where I'm getting myself in trouble a lot, not enough communication on the OOC thread and the boards (on my part), treating it too much like a table top game. I'm learning, but it's a different mentality from tabletop in certain key ways, that's for sure.
QUOTE |
When I put together Erebus' char. sheet I added some Neurostun IV grenades. The sheet got OK'd.
I was looking at joining the Abyss post and put a character sheet together for that and when I was doing so I noticed that the Neurostun grenade is avail 8. How do you want me to handle this? |
No problems Cedric. We use standard SR3 canon character creation rules, and the cap is rating 6, availability 8, so the grenades are fine. I actually remember specifically checking that item to see if it was allowable when I vetted your sheet. So unless Bandit has a problem with it I'm not aware of, it falls under the general guidelines and is fine.
banditf50
Aug 13 2005, 01:40 PM
Cedric: Winterrat is correct, your sheet was OK'd by me because you indeed had everything correct . . . play on my friend

Shadow: Just let me know if you plan on having the watchers report anything; be it positive, negative, or nill. This is so I know how to respond to
Dragon.
Cedric Rolfsson
Aug 15 2005, 03:41 PM
Thank you, I thought I'd screwed up.
Shadow
Aug 15 2005, 03:43 PM
Heads Up....
The helpdesk I work at is rolling in a new Dept. this week, so posting from me will be sporadic at best. This should be complete by Friday.
WinterRat1
Aug 16 2005, 12:51 AM
No worries Shadow. As soon as I get a report from Virgil, I'll have Dragon move out.
banditf50
Aug 16 2005, 03:14 AM
And just so I don't start to hold up the process again . . . I am waiting for the results of the watchers to post the all clear. Of course this can be negated if Shadow says the point is moot.
Shadowrunner13
Aug 16 2005, 02:14 PM
Out of curiousity...

Tenmou has a cybernetic transducer as well... can he pick up on anything that Dragon and Daedalus are discussing (in the off chance, we're on the same frequency...)?
I don't figure he can, but I thought I'd check.
WinterRat1
Aug 16 2005, 02:56 PM
We're on an encrypted frequency, so if you wanted to listen in you'd have to locate our frequency first, and then try to crack our encryption, which would lead to an electronic warfare test. I'm thinking we'd know about it too if you tried to crack us, but I have to check the rules for how exactly it works, since it's way too complicated to remember offhand.
Under any circumstances however, I'd view that as a pretty hostile action, which may not be a good thing, given the circumstances we just left. Just in case you're thinking seriously of trying to listen in on us.
Of course, that's assuming you'd have a way of even knowing in the first place that we're communicating via radio.
Shadowrunner13
Aug 16 2005, 06:01 PM
He wouldn't, unless he accidently stumbled across it, which is why I asked.
"I hear voices... hey, it's you guys..."

No worries. Carry on.
Tiredronin
Aug 17 2005, 03:13 PM
haha.... that would be funny, especially if we were talking about you behind your back.
Very cool though is that we can have another member in our transducer telepathy circle : D
mwa haha..
ahm ok so quick flow chart:
Watchers say all clear --> Virgil says all clear --> Dragon moves... and...
Daedalus will also jump back to his body and walk out the door AFTER Dragon and before Tenmou if he gets back in time. The two of them, (according to Daedalus's assumption) will make sure to secure the street before the other two come out.
Otherwise Daedalus will be waiting in Talos to blast away anything that needs blasting.
Yeah, in all liklihood we are being a bit overdetailed here... ... but ... : P
WinterRat1
Aug 17 2005, 05:03 PM
We could include him, since there's literally thousands of channels/frequencies out there. We just need a separate channel. And as far as being overdetailed, we haven't been paying enough attention to detail lately (me especially!

) and look where that's gotten us!
Cedric Rolfsson
Aug 17 2005, 06:09 PM
You guys go ahead and post, I'm rear guard.
WinterRat1
Aug 17 2005, 06:11 PM
We're waiting on Shadow to let us know the results of Virgil's astral scan before we move anywhere Cedric, just in case you missed it.
Out of curiosity, do you have a radio/transducer combo as well?
Cedric Rolfsson
Aug 17 2005, 10:40 PM
Nope, no radio gear or anything inside this brainbox. It'll have to be an external setup for me.
Shadow
Aug 18 2005, 05:52 PM
Sorry for my absence, I was abruptly tasked out to do a Win2k to Win Xp migration. Professionally it is a lot of fun

but I have little to no access to my games. I will try to catch up and post today. But I suspect this will go on through Friday. Sorry
Shadow
Aug 18 2005, 11:36 PM
Daed the watcher give you the all clear. But they 'feel' a presence that they cannot locate.
Also, I wanted to do a story post for this but I don't have the time. When you go back into your body you take 3 boxes of stun damagge.
Feel free to move on without me through the week. Nothing bad will happen till you are at the warehouse... at least
Cedric Rolfsson
Aug 19 2005, 12:40 AM
Shadow, maybe I'm not tracking, what warehouse? Are we skipping the meeting at the bar in Tacoma and moving ahead a week? I'm very lost now.
WinterRat1
Aug 19 2005, 01:30 AM
Yeah, and what's with Daedalus taking the three boxes of stun damage? Are you talking about Virgil? I'm really confused here as well. Maybe if you could clarify or even write the story post when you have time, that would help clear things up?
Shadow
Aug 19 2005, 03:12 AM
Thats what I get for posting in a hurry.
I meant the bar, I have warehouse on the brain. PLease yes skip ahead to that, or RP your way to that. I think I will get more posting time tomorrow but I am not sure. I had to rebuild 4 computers from scratch today all the way through NAV, and Office and all patches. I may have to do the same tomorrow.
As for the stun damage I think it was fairly obvious I meant Virgil

OKay maybe it wasn't, but I did! Virgil takes 3 boxes of stun upon returning to his body.
WinterRat1
Aug 19 2005, 03:37 AM
Heh ok that makes more sense. I was confused because riggers CAN take stun damage from being jacked into their drones, right (?) so it wasn't impossible that Daedalus could have taken stun damage, but I sure as heck would have had no ideas why (unless you'd handled it via PM or something) so it was worth the time to clarify.
And yeah, I empathize with the posting in a hurry. Especially at work. I get in trouble ALL the time for doing that. (Just ask Sedna. Am I right Sedna?

) Ugh.
Bandit- you wanna post your report? if I get a chance to post I'll do it since virgil won't really be saying much, but if you can get a post up by all means, go ahead first.
WinterRat1
Aug 19 2005, 05:01 PM
OK everyone, I'm going to move us outside, unless anyone has any objections, following that post, should we just agree to meet at the bar Erebus mentioned and bump ourselves there?
Cedric, I realize that Erebus planned to take a detour to the florist shop, but for the sake of keeping the action going for now (since it sounds like Shadow is very busy) would you be ok with just meeting up at the bar and discussing? Give Shadow a chance to get himself settled and keep our storyline going?
If not it's fine, but it's a thought I decided to at least toss out. Let's figure out if we're all meeting directly at the bar or not in the OOC thread before anyone posts after I move us outside, for continuity's sake.
Because if we aren't all meeting at the bar, we're probably going to go our separate ways for a while, and it's worth setting figuring that out OOC at least.
Cedric Rolfsson
Aug 19 2005, 06:24 PM
We can just meet at the bar.
What I'd planned to do was run by the florists and break in to see if there was a computer or telecom which might contain the order that was made. I also considered torturing the florist to death for information and as an object lesson in betrayal, but we can skip that until later.
I am going to make a phone call to Max my fixer who set up the job, he might be in danger and is probably our best lead as to who hired me to do this job. I don't want my fixer contact to end up dead because I forgot to call and warn him. I can do that via an aside in the post where we end up at the bar though.
What I suggest is we move outside, and rendevous with Virgil so Tenmou can get fixed up. From there we head directly over to the bar for our meeting.
WinterRat1
Aug 19 2005, 06:26 PM
Works for me. Bandit was planning to heal Tenmou once we were clear, so perhaps he could ride with us, or we could do it at an alternative location. The bar or somewhere else. SR13, it's your character, what do you think? (Everyone else feel free to chime in though)
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