Problem: Bad Karma Flaw

When this is chosen, and a character is Finalized, it initially shows the correct Karma Pool when Karma is added. After that, it then changes to a normal Karma Pool calculation (with the exception of when you view the Biography page for some reason).

For example, I am trying to recreate a 421 Karma human character with Bad Karma. I add 421 Karma, and the program then states that I have 400 available and 22 Karma Pool (which is correct). If I then go to any other page (or save), the settings change to read that I have 379 Karma available and a Karma Pool of 43. If I view the Biography page however, the settings (little red bar at the top) display the correct (400/21) calculations. This means that I cannot actually spend that last 21 Karma that should be available.

This has happened on several different characters and number combinations, and is not new to the latest update. Is it possible for you to fix this anomaly?

Hmm...during initiation I'm getting credited for PP even when I take a metamagic as a phys adept magician...

That's because the FAQ is wrong!!!!!!!!

What FAQ? *heard about the whole magican adept initiation thing secondhand*

Well, what you heard is based on the FAQ ruling, which is inane, and not at all consistent with what the book actually says.

I've got a character with CHA of 5, Negotiation of 4 and Fast Talking Spec. of 6. After character creation, I went to improve Negotiation to 5, and NSRCG says that only costs 5 Karma. It sould be 7, as per <new rating> x 1.5. It seems to be calculating the cost as if it was a new character...paying up to Neg 5 and then taking Fast Talking 6 (effectively rebating the karma from the Fast Talking 4->5 step). The BBB suggests that specializations are on their own after character creation, and that you do not receive "rebates" of karma (though that is specific to attribute increases related to skills).

Am I misreading or missing a rule? I hunted in this thread, NSRCG's online manual, the SR FAQ, and the errata and couldn't find anything about this.

BUG: I took the flaw Total Pacifist (Using Sum to 10, Human Aspected with 90k Resources and 3 Attributes and 2 Skills). I then assigned attributes: 3 in physical, 5 chr 6 int 7 wis. Had bonus attribute: wis (obviously), aptitude bioware, and total pacifist. When I moved past attributes, I was told my character was illegal... and in GM info got:

"Incompatible: Total Pacifist vs Total Pacifist cite: src.23"

I had a similar bug that I listed earlier. There's a quick fix you can do by going to the incompatible .dat file, and coment out the lines dealing with total pacifist. Not a great solution, but a temporary fix.

Why is it that when you "finalize" a character, any remaining funds get's changed into some stange and off the wall amount?

Is the dat editor currently working correctly? I wanted to add a few of Raygun's..guns.. in that i think i might use relatively often, but whenever i go in and try to open up gear in the viewer, i get a blank list, while other parts (i know adept and magic for sure) both work.
it does open up into word however.. is that the only way to edit some of the files?

Raygun's guns are already included in the newest version.

oh, i guess i should dig deeper then lol, thanks for the info lol <goes digging>

Yes, all of rayguns equipment is included in the latest version of the program, you've gotta enable his 'book' though otherwise you cant see the gear that has been added.

yep, i found it, thanks for correcting the errors of my ways

So what still needs to be added to make this thing fully SR3? I see there's a coming soon or whatever for the ally spirit. Is there anything else?
Is it all on hold/abandoned since the new SR4 is on the way?

I noticed the Symbiotes and Hyperthyriod Glands don't increase the cost of lifestyle like they should. They invalidate the lifestyle selections you've already made, but they don't increase thecost of new ones.

Also, you're still charged Karma for Language skills after you've taken the Linguist PsysAd power, which is supposed to make them free.

Program Version: 3.68 / 20.03.2005
Operating System: Windows XP Pro, SP2, all Patches until today
P4 2.8GHz, 1GB, minimal load

Error: Crashed during finalising

Description: An old character is re-constructed using the program

Step1: Basic character generation, ends with finalising, works OK
Step2: Assign Karma and money, use Karma and money
Step3: Finalise. Banking pops up. Klicking on << in lower right after selecting
the original credstick results in a hanging program, system load 100%

Step4: Restart, reload data set, finalise again, Banking screen pops up and works
Step5: Add some karma, finalise, see step 3

This is re-produceable on another system (XP Home/SP2)


Birdy

what exactly are you doing to add the money?
tell me the buttons you clicked on to do it.

(trying to reproduce the bug - and maybe fix it)

Okay, first I go to ..Lifestyles / Banking, click on Banking, enter a sum in the Add Nuyen field, press add nuyen, select credstick, press <<, click done

<Spend money and Karma>

<Finalise and store, works>

<Second round, add karma, money as above, spend money[important]>

Finalise

Banking pops up with a negative amount in the lower right field. Select credstick, click <<, click "Done", program hangs

Birdy

it only happens when you spend all the money to zero? or some of the money, what about the karma, do I have to spend all of it or just some of it .

I tried your steps and did not get an error... I must be doing something slightly different

-Fahr

any chance you could PM me, I'll give you my email and you can send me the sr3 file and I can look it over and try it on my machine with the exact same setup....

Short question Fahr:

How do I get your Email and/or how can I post you mine?


Birdy

check your messages - email is in there. -fahr

edit: and now in my sig as well.

Odd...seems when I make a char with the same name as a previous finalized char, the spells carry over... removing them results in negative spell points available for spending.

A lot of things carry over if you try to make a new character without exiting the program first, whether you finalized the previous or not. Just close the program and open it again before making any new characters.

HA, I got it.

Ok, one of my only problems with the program is the problem with the Essence count. If you have cyber limbs you get -5% for each partial or -10% for each full limb for both essence and cost on some items. Also, if you go in for surgery in character you can get a less essence cost. This can all be handled by adding an over ride essence button, just like the override cost button!

Ok, what do you guys think?

McMackie: out of interest, can I get your take on why you decided to use a custom format rather than something like XML? I'm currently rewriting some of the datafiles in XML for my own purposes (I don't use NSRCG as it lacks OS X compatibility, but I do keep the datafiles on hand for quick-reference purposes), and I'm wondering if I should bother passing the changes and scheme definition back to you.

~J

I'm reasonably sure I found a bug in the program.

One of the physical edges you can take raises your racial attribute max by 1. Another raises the actual SCORE by 1, and can let it exceed it's racial attribute max.

They both cost 2 points on the point-by-point chargen. However, in practice, you wind up paying for them both twice.

When you raise the max once, you have to pay 2 starting points to fill it with an actual point. But when you buy the other, the attribute starts off at 2 instead of 1, with 2 points still spent.

You can work around it, by simply raising your chargen points by 2, but it's still annoying.

Shadow, it is working as it should be. If you pay close attention you will notice that the Bonus Attribute Edge (which can only be taken for a single attribute) raises the score by 1 and the racial max. You are not paying for this twice. The two points spent for this are simply the 2 points spent on the edge. It may look differently because it uses up Attribute points when you are setting attributes, but that is only because the edge added 1 point to what you originally set as your number of attribute points.

The Exceptional Attribute edge (which can be taken for multiple attributes) only raises the racial max. It is never meant to give you another point. So yes you are paying a total of 4 points to get the same effect as the Bonus Attribute edge, but that is for game balancing and the reasoning behind allowing you to take it for multiple attributes.

Interesting little error - I'm running v3.68, for reference.

When I make a physical mage, and purchase Magical Power (For example, at level 2) for them, it gives them the appropriate amount of spell points (in this case, 12). Howeve,r if I remove Magical Power, it doesn't take the spell points away, and if I buy magical power again, it adds those spell points onto the previous (so I have 24 instead of 12).

What's the possibility of adding support for Twisted Way adepts? I built one a few days ago for a game I played and want to build a few other test ones to get a better feel for them.

Near as I can tell it should be something that displays a hidden box with a counter for your Potency rating, which adds itself to your current Magic rating for purposes of powers and such (have it set to 0 at start, add it to Magic rating as if it was an Initiation but without the karma loss or the gain of a metamagic/loss of a geas/altering of astral signature).

In the version I'm using, NSRCG incorrectly includes symbiotes into the bioindex factor +TN for longer healing periods. It's not in earlier versions of M&M, but in the latest Fan Pro version, the entry for symbiotes explicitly says not to count their index into longer healing periods (mm.70, "Corrected Fourth Printing (First Printing by FanPro LLC, 2003).")

I was looking at the XML output of the program (was thinking of putting together my own custom XSL stylesheet) and ran across a problem. They way the program is set up, the background information is dumped straight into CDATA. The problem with this is that the disable-output-escaping attribute is not supported by the Mozilla family of browsers.

That means anyone looking at one of the xml character sheets using netscape or Firefox sees this:

Another suggestion: Single cybereyes and accessories. The rules for them are on MandM, p. 44. Cyclops only have one eye, and can therefore only use one cybereye, so buying a pair is rather useless. I don't imagine it being too difficult to add in an option for single eyes and accessories.

Version: 3.68 3/20/2005

I cannot seem to add a credstick. I go to gear, add one through lifestyle, I get no feedback saying it's been added.

If I finalize, I get the banking window with no credsticks listed. If I hit "add" it tells me to add it through the lifestyle section.

If I put any amount of nuyen in the "Operations/Add Nuyen" box, and hit "Add Nuyen", I almost always get "Runtime error '380': Invalid Property Value".

Apart from that, this program is amazing. Really great work to all those that worked on it.

Have you searched this thread for the answer. I recall seeing it earlier.

Down loaded the generator again yesterday after my Pc Blue screened me on friday.

There seems to be an mistake with the costing of Melanin Control. My Copy of Sota has at .25 points but the generator has it as 1. Also there's no microscopic vision option...

Bug Report
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Platform: PC
OS: Win XP Pro SP2
NSRCG: v3.68(3/20/2005)

Problem 1:
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When adding a custom edge or flaw using any generation system the point value of the custom edge/flaw will not be displayed in the Points box at the bottom of the screen untill another edge or flaw is added or removed.


Problem 2:
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When using the BeCKS generation system, you are allowed to select "ExceedRaceMax (xxx)(BKS)" for more than one attribute (BOD, QCK, STR, INT, CHR, WIL).
I believe you should only be able to selet one "ExceedRaceMax" per character.

My reasoning is as follows. When the "ExceedRaceMax" edge is chosen, regardless of race, raising that attribute beyond the newly raised "Modified Racial Limit" cost 3x the karma for the new level instead of 2x the karma (p. 244 BBB- Improving Attributes and Exceeding the Racial Modified Limit). NSRCG will even report in red "Caution: Exceeding racial mod limit or max". This is apparently not increasing the racial modified limit (thats accomplished by the edge "Exceptional Attribute"), so the "EXceedRaceMAx" edge seems to be functionally the same as "Bonus Attribute" (p.17 SRC - Bonus Attribute).

I just discovered this lovely program, so I decided to get it...I try to install it, I get this error:

Setup Fatal Error: Unable to generate Installation Log File

So I get an already installed version, etc etc from one of my friends, I try to run it and I get a Runtime Error 68: Device Unavailable. A bit peeved, I copy the files to my PSP (for some damn reason, this comp won't let me put files on a CD) and transport it to my other computer. I try to run it and I get an Error 339: Something about an "MSLCOGX32" file or whatever is not registered correctly, yadda yadda. So...what ze heck is the problem?