Kerris
Dec 31 2006, 09:52 PM
QUOTE (Kyoto Kid) |
The only thing with my work is that it is all in pencil (which doesn't reproduce very well). With my stiff shaky hands inking is no longer an option. |
Have you tried any other, darker possibilities? Like conte crayon, charcoal (messy), or even a darker, softer-leaded pencil? Hit up an art supply store (or even walmart) and see if you can't find a 6B pencil. That should reproduce a little better.
Kyoto Kid
Dec 31 2006, 10:40 PM
QUOTE (Kerris) |
QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ Dec 29 2006, 03:47 PM) | The only thing with my work is that it is all in pencil (which doesn't reproduce very well). With my stiff shaky hands inking is no longer an option. |
Have you tried any other, darker possibilities? Like conte crayon, charcoal (messy), or even a darker, softer-leaded pencil? Hit up an art supply store (or even walmart) and see if you can't find a 6B pencil. That should reproduce a little better.
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...I actually have a graded set from 6F to 8B.
I have a number of older character drawings (mostly AD&D & some early SR) I did in which used a wide variety of graphite hardnesses. A couple almost approach B&W photo quality. Once I find the right drivers for the scanner I picked up I will try to post these.
I have used charcoal in the past & yes, very messy unless you use a lot of fixer spray (can offset onto the platen of the scanner).
I also use varying grades of paper depending on the effect I want. For the most photo like quality, a hard smooth bristol. For a more "artsy" look I have used various hot & cold pressed watercolour blocks.
I have used Coloured Pencil as well with varying degrees of success (my preferred colour medium is still oils but that is very messy & very time consuming).
For a series of works i did one time while in college (based on an SF story I am working on), I developed a variation on Sumi where I powder a charcoal stick and apply it with a brush on various types of rice papers. The style was to mimic a technique one of the races in the story used. Unfortunately these works are very "fragile" and can be even damaged by application of conventional spray fixes (too strong of a propellant which actually can dislodge the charcoal from the paper.) I had to come up with a "long range" misting method which pretty much used up an entire can of fixer per drawing (very expensive). These definitely do not scan well for the tones are very subtle.
Squinky
Jan 1 2007, 01:20 AM
Heres another one before I run off and celebrate the new year.
Kid Kaide's KaideIt's been a good year for me artistically and other ways. Hope all is well with all you guys, happy new year all.
Squinky
Jan 1 2007, 09:57 PM
Ladynero
Jan 1 2007, 11:13 PM
*cackles* That is *so* Sarge..... off for a night on the twon if she only has two guns with her.
Beautiful as always!
And Kyote kid, ya wan' Sarge wit' ya, we need ta talk price...
Squinky
Jan 2 2007, 03:48 AM
Awesome!
Heres your other character:
Lady Nero's PixieHope you like.
Ladynero
Jan 2 2007, 04:36 AM
That's Pixie! That's *so* Pixie!!!!
*glomps* She's perfect! Just like Sarge!
Kyoto Kid
Jan 2 2007, 03:50 PM
...very pretty.
Love the "innocent schoolgirl" look.
lorechaser
Jan 2 2007, 06:11 PM
Something I did earlier today which was amusing.
Go to page 1. Read the first post, where Squinky lists all the drawings.
Click on them, one after another, and just notice how much it's improved. The early ones are pretty good, to be sure, but you can see a definate progression over the timeline.
Very cool.
Keep it up Squink!
Kyoto Kid
Jan 2 2007, 09:21 PM
...Squinky,
I'll get the descriptions for the Grande Family Portrait to you either tonight or tomorrow.
No huge rush, I really liked the way the A-Team turned out so if you need to take time, maybe do up a sketch, that's cool.
Would have posted it earlier but kinda got caught up retooling (and expanding) a scenario over the last few days that I'll be running my players through.
knasser
Jan 2 2007, 11:27 PM
QUOTE (Squinky @ Jan 2 2007, 03:48 AM) |
Awesome!
Heres your other character:
Lady Nero's Pixie
Hope you like. |
Wow! That's you're best one yet. Quite considerably. I think partly just because you've toned down the "bulging eye" style (I really don't mean that as rudely as it sounds, I'm jsut being descriptive) but also just because it's a really well conceived and depicted character. Lots of personality shining through her posture and her expression.
Very nice. And I agree with Lorechaser. I'm not denigrating your early work, but you can see a definite improvement as you go on. When you get through your current list, and assuming I'm allowed to go round again, I'm going to ask for another one.
Squinky
Jan 3 2007, 03:15 AM
Thanks a ton guys! It means a lot to hear that I am improving, and I appreciate all the critiques.
Kyoto, whenever on the family portrait thing, cause it may take me a good while to get to it, heh.
And I'm totally cool with people resigning up for another. I fear the day when I have no more art to do, heh.
SuperFly
Jan 3 2007, 04:43 AM
When you get a chance, don't forget those alternates for Anne-Marie and the A-Team, eh?
Squinky
Jan 3 2007, 04:52 AM
Crap! I had forgotten! Sorry man, I'll get right on it.
Anyways heres:
Fortune's Flintlock I forgot about the small tail in his hair, it could conceivably be back there still. Hope its all cool.
2bit
Jan 3 2007, 05:00 PM
I like that guy.
Fortune
Jan 3 2007, 06:48 PM
Dude! He rocks! Thanks a bunch.
Oh, and no worries about the hair.
2bit
Jan 3 2007, 07:48 PM
Squinky, you really need to work on your eyes. Your bodies look fine, your gear and clothes are really good. The eyes are holding you back. You draw these forward facing, sharp ended ovals no matter what angle the head is at.
ShadowDragon8685
Jan 3 2007, 09:08 PM
Hmmmm... Got another challenge for you, Squinkerz.
I'd like to see you draw an "action scene". I'll give you something classic.
I'd like to see your interpretation of the Lobby scene from The Matrix, using Skate. You should be familar with her by now.
Just, here's one thing I'd like to see you try. So far, you've been drawing a more-or-less Shadowrun 3, pre-SR3 "Chunky Monkey" kind of style, especially for equipment. (That SMG looked like an 40mm grenade launcher, really.)
I wonder what you can do as far as making things sleeker and sexier? Of course, you don't have to, but I'd really like to see you give it an honest go. (And I meant that to include the characters, too.
)
I think you're good enough to do it, and I'd like to see something other than the chunky-monkey Pre-SR4 style.
SuperFly
Jan 3 2007, 11:21 PM
Damn, that Flintlock guy kicks hoop. Nice work!
Squinky
Jan 4 2007, 01:04 AM
QUOTE (2bit) |
Squinky, you really need to work on your eyes. Your bodies look fine, your gear and clothes are really good. The eyes are holding you back. You draw these forward facing, sharp ended ovals no matter what angle the head is at.
And ShadowDragonLockercombination, I like the idea of your challenge, it will hopefully turn out awesome.
Thanks for the feedback all! |
Heh, weirdly enough my next areas of research and possible improvement were going to be clothing first (making more realistic folds) and then my hands. I hadn't noticed the eye thing before, and honestly I don't know if I can really say I fully can see the problem at this point. But I understand how much eyes can affect the over all look so I will look in to it for sure.
Thanks a ton for the constructive criticism man.
Kyoto Kid
Jan 4 2007, 01:35 AM
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) |
I wonder what you can do as far as making things sleeker and sexier? Of course, you don't have to, but I'd really like to see you give it an honest go. (And I meant that to include the characters, too. )
I think you're good enough to do it... |
...hmm a sleeker & sexier take on my Leela (...make that sweeter for her) or Violet?
That would be intriguing...
Squinky
Jan 4 2007, 05:01 AM
ShadowDragon8685
Jan 4 2007, 05:25 AM
That's pretty good. Is he supposed to look like he has a non-obvious Cyberskull (whether or not he has one is irrelevent; is he
supposed to or not?)
Because he kinda does, got a bit of a blocky kind of Mel Gibson going. Not bad, just blocky.
Squinky
Jan 4 2007, 05:29 AM
Nope. I don't really think it's my best work. But I figured I'd throw it up there and see if it could be a starting point to a better one if Penta disliked it.
Penta
Jan 4 2007, 03:30 PM
Mmm. It's good, but Shadowdragon is right; He looks like he has a non-obvious cyberskull, while he doesn't.
For a B/W image, this is very good.
Kyoto Kid
Jan 4 2007, 03:51 PM
...I don't know. I've seen dudes like him in RL.
will_rj
Jan 4 2007, 05:38 PM
I´ve seen people like this before. Actually, he reminds me of a friend of mine...
... who, as far as i can tell, does NOT have a cyberkull.
ShadowDragon8685
Jan 4 2007, 07:08 PM
It's not a bad look, not bad at all.
He just screams "low-profile Muscle" to me, the kind of subtle cyber-sammie with backgrounds in high society that you could take to a fancy shindig and he woulden't look out of place.
Squinky
Jan 4 2007, 07:25 PM
Heh. I was kinda rushing that picture. Took a gamble, lost.
So Penta, going off of how I interpreted your request, how would you modify this to make it fit what your envision? I'll do another one up as soon as I get more info.
Penta
Jan 5 2007, 03:23 PM
Well, the head is more rounded, like a normal human head.
Hair...IRL, I part my hair on the left, to cover a surgical scar that runs along basically the right side of my scalp. I guess seeing the part in the center makes it look odd.
Kyoto Kid
Jan 5 2007, 10:06 PM
...OK, here goes. The spoiler below contains the details of all the Grande family.
[ Spoiler ]
Character Descriptions: The Grande Family Portrait
Leela Groznek-Grande
Though she is now 28 years old, Leela still looks like a demure teenager of about thirteen to fourteen years. She is no longer a runner, but instead has settled into her new life as Europe’s most celebrated keyboard performer. She wears her wavy red hair just below shoulder length which has a streak of white along the left side of her face and sparkling blue eyes. She is about 43 Kg in weight and 5’1� tall. Leela’s manner of dress is now much more elegant, even when she is in a casual mode. For concerts she wears a long strapped sleeveless dress that is fairly low cut (Zoé Heritage ‘Starlet� line - which she herself commissioned) with Zoe “Second Skin� under armour (designed for wear with more “revealing� clothing). For more everyday wear she usually wears a simple low v-neck sweater or blouse and tight fitting knee length skirt (the influence of her friend, Lana Lane).
The only weapon Leela carries is her father’s Ceska vz/120 which she wears in a thigh holster underneath her skirt (giving her a “split skirt� to show the weapon would be OK).
Leela has a number of implants, a mix of bio and cyber. Most of these she received as a young girl as part of a controversial procedure which saved her life and aided in her rapid recovery. This package included Synaptic Accelerator, Enhanced Articulation, Mnemonic Enhancement, Synthcardium, Cerebral Booster, Skillwires and Induction Datajack. She also has several minor pieces of headware and an internal Smartlink.
Lady Meggan Grande - Countess of Swindon
Lady Grande is the quintessential eccentric British aristocrat. While she is of high nobility status, she affectionately is referred to by friends and associates as “Dame Meg�. Though 61, she appears to be in her mid forties (she has undergone the Leonization treatment). Meggan is a widow, having lost her husband Count Reginald during a hunting safari for Paranormal Critters for the London Zoo on the African continent (her daughter, Margo was only twelve at the time). She is very attractive for a woman of her age yet she has an extremely commanding presence and imposing stature (5’ 11�). Dame Meg has long light blonde hair, which she wears down, contributing to her younger look, with a few streaks of grey near the temples. She has intense steely grey eyes.
Meggan usually dresses in a “Neo-Edwardian� style (Zoé Heritage of course) and never carries a weapon. She doesn’t need to since she is a Grade VII Social Adept. Lady Grande has a natural Charisma of 7 (exceptional attribute) with three levels of Tailored Pheromones - Delta Grade. Being an adept, Meggan has no other implants
Think of the “White Queen� from X-Men: Generation X but not quite as sinister or as flashy a dresser.
Madam Margo Grande-Owens
Even at 33, Margo is a bombshell who looks like a younger version of her mother Meggan. Margo has long straight blonde hair (almost down to her butt) with a streak of white running along the right side of her face. Like her mother, she has very penetrating grey eyes and is tall 5’9�. Despite recently having twins, Margo has maintained her sleek elegant figure. She is married to Sir Eddie Owens, who is her teenage sweetheart and a champion race driver (non-rigged). Margo is the head curator at London’s Museum of Antiquity, succeeding her mentor Sir Desmond Perry. She is also an eminent archaeologist and frequently organizes (and participates in) expeditions.
She is a true debutante and dresses very tres chic. She either can be wearing a sexy blouse/skirt combination (blouse unbuttoned to reveal her cleavage) or dressed for one of her archaeological digs (complete with pith helmet). In the UK she does not carry a weapon, but when on an expedition, she will pack her Morressey Alta and carry her PJSS Elephant rifle. Margo has no visible cyber (all headware + reaction enhancment) and mostly bioware (Synaptic Acceleration, Muscle Tone, Articulation and Cerebral booster).
A good model (both appearance and personality wise) to use is the character Marguerite Krux from the 1999 Lost World television series (the Canadian production which aired on the old WB network).
Katya Grande
Leela’s beautiful nineteen year old Croatian sister. Though Katya is Leela’s, “little sister� (adopted by Lady Grande back in 2062 at the age of eleven), she is actually a half foot taller (5’ 7�) and a bit more “buxom.� As with Leela, Katya is an orphan of the Serbian occupation of Croatia. She lost her parents and one older sister to a Serbian Air raid and another sister to the resistance effort. Katya tends to dress very tres chic and prefers wearing high fashion skirts/dresses instead of slacks. She has thick shoulder length Auburn hair, expressive green eyes, and soft facial features with just a slightly more pronounced nose (not quite “Barbara Streisand� in size). Katya is a “looker� and has a very dignified air, an influence of growing up with Lady Grande.
Katya is currently interning with Leela’s friend Lana Lane who is the managing Producer (News and public affairs) at Net47 in London. She is very personable and soft spoken but far from shy. As a young girl, she frequently helped out around the refugee camp she lived in, and was very mature for her age.
Like her adoptive mother, Katya is also a social adept (non initiate) with a natural Charisma of 6 and two levels of Tailored Pheromones.
Katya looks very much like a younger version of Famke Janssen who played Jean Grey/Phoenix in the X-Men film series.
Annika Groznek-Grande
Twelve year old Annika is Leela’s long lost natural daughter. Conceived after Leela was raped by a Serbian soldier at the age of sixteen (very long story) she grew up with her surrogate parents who were smuggled out of Croatia to Trieste. At age five she was reunited with her mother (who did not know the girl was her daughter at the time) albeit as her first piano student after Leela returned to Croatia following war’s end. Five years later the reunion became formal with Leela given full legal custody of the girl.
Annika could almost be Leela’s twin, having her mother’s sparkling blue eyes, red hair and being almost identical in build. She should have just a hint of “childishness� to appear slightly younger than Leela. Annika likes to dress in the latest teen fashions and is destined to be one hell of a heart-breaker. Unlike must girls her age, she has body piercing or tattoos (Leela wouldn’t have anything of it). Annika thinks the world of her youthful mother and is also a very accomplished pianist. Leela is very protective of her daughter and despite her own child like nature, is a very good and loving mother. The two also frequently perform together as duo pianists.
Leela and Annika are both “sensitives�, which is a new breed of adept who I am experimenting with as an NPC. They are intended to be much more subtle than powerful. One of the drawbacks is that they retain a very child like outlook on things.
As Models for Leela and Annika
Both Leela and her daughter look very much like Emily Browning, the young woman who played Violet in Lemony Snicketts, A Series of Unfortunate Events. There are two images from the Browning Gallery website in particular which bear uncanny resemblances. If I can figure out how to create links to other websites from DS (every time I rename the link it breaks) I can post them. Again take your time with this one. With some of the creative critique that has been recently posted, this could be a good opportunity to try some of the suggestions others and I have made.
Again I loved the A-Team pic, I think it is by far one of your best ever. Marta (one of the best female Trolls I’ve seen) and Pixie were also incredibly nice. I should have you do my Dwarf Merc Gracie or Ex Cosmonaut Katyana Markova (who I detailed in Trigger’s art thread). Be interesting to see your take on a female Dwarf as well.
Please excuse any misspellings as this was imported from a Word document and I had to enter a few references afterwards when I could get on line. For some reason this caused the PHP spell checker to highlight incorrect targets.
The main document was spell checked in Word.
Squinky
Jan 6 2007, 01:57 AM
QUOTE (Penta) |
Well, the head is more rounded, like a normal human head.
Hair...IRL, I part my hair on the left, to cover a surgical scar that runs along basically the right side of my scalp. I guess seeing the part in the center makes it look odd. |
So, besides fixing the head and hair, the general style of the character is okay? And is there any specific pose or weapon/item you want to include?
Penta
Jan 6 2007, 07:55 PM
Yeah, it's fine...
No, can't think of anything.
ElFenrir
Jan 6 2007, 10:02 PM
QUOTE |
Meggan usually dresses in a “Neo-Edwardian� style (Zoé Heritage of course) and never carries a weapon. She doesn’t need to since she is a Grade VII Social Adept. Lady Grande has a natural Charisma of 7 (exceptional attribute) with three levels of Tailored Pheromones - Delta Grade. Being an adept, Meggan has no other implants |
Wow. Talk about not needing a weapon, that woman can talk bullets out of the air!
Kyoto Kid
Jan 6 2007, 11:01 PM
...that's the idea.
In the original run of the Rhapsody campaign (which was in SR3) the characters tried their best to avoid negotiating with her face to face.
[picture: runners looking like the proverbial deer in the headlights after their Face tries to bargain the price up to 25,000 per character for the job.]
[Lady Grande] "Now let me see, that's 25,000 Sterling total for your entire team? You chaps definitely drive a hard bargain. It is a deal.""
[the team accepts the payment]
Basically, got tired of the PC mage characters pumping up their Charisma & Willpower all the time to always get what they wanted from the mundane Johnsons.
Squinky
Jan 7 2007, 05:32 PM
Okay, heres another try at your character Penta (in sketch form at this point until it meets your approval)
Penta's Character sketch I think I got too focused on the broad shoulders last time, made him look to block headed.
ShadowDragon8685
Jan 7 2007, 07:28 PM
Actually, it's the long lines down the sides of his face that make him look angular, hence the questions of cyberskulldom. At least, for me.
Looks like he's packing armored cheeks.
Squinky
Jan 7 2007, 07:46 PM
Yeah, I guess what I meant to say was that the mention of him having large shoulders made me picture him as a very broad faced character also. And then I got hooked on that idea and drew him accordingly.
Penta
Jan 7 2007, 08:10 PM
Nope. Actually, and this is what makes me probably look odd IRL...
I have broad shoulders, but a very narrow face.
The latest pic...Looks good...But, man does he look angry.
Squinky
Jan 7 2007, 09:55 PM
Okay, I'll try and tone down the look on his face a little before inking.
Squinky
Jan 7 2007, 10:14 PM
Squinky
Jan 7 2007, 11:15 PM
Here it is, hope it doesn't leave you disappointed:
Penta's Character Redone
Penta
Jan 8 2007, 02:07 AM
Very good. Well, I never imagined myself with a goatee, but very good nonetheless.
Grinder
Jan 8 2007, 06:17 AM
That's a really good picture.
Kyoto Kid
Jan 8 2007, 03:45 PM
...both are really nice
I like the "over the shoulder" look for Penta. That IS shadowrun.
Dog's rusty: The hand over the bandage... how many times I've pictured my characters like this. Nice touch.
ShadowDragon8685
Jan 8 2007, 07:52 PM
Agreed. The new Penta... Is just win-sauceum. It's awesome.
lorechaser
Jan 8 2007, 11:14 PM
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) |
Agreed. The new Penta... Is just win-sauceum. It's awesome. |
....
I....
I think we have to kill you for that phrase.
BishopMcQ
Jan 8 2007, 11:32 PM
Just poking my head in to say thanks to Squinky! The artwork in the Missions has been great and I'm looking forward to the next round of pieces.
Keep up the great work! Thanks!!
-Stephen
Squinky
Jan 9 2007, 12:58 AM
QUOTE (McQuillan) |
Just poking my head in to say thanks to Squinky! The artwork in the Missions has been great and I'm looking forward to the next round of pieces.
Keep up the great work! Thanks!!
-Stephen |
Thanks man! I'm gonna be hitting the missions stuff up here probably tomorrow, to much going on tonight sadly.
And thanks all for the feedback. I'm a little confused by the win-sauceum thing though...
X-Kalibur
Jan 9 2007, 06:42 PM
QUOTE (Squinky) |
QUOTE (McQuillan @ Jan 8 2007, 06:32 PM) | Just poking my head in to say thanks to Squinky! The artwork in the Missions has been great and I'm looking forward to the next round of pieces.
Keep up the great work! Thanks!!
-Stephen |
Thanks man! I'm gonna be hitting the missions stuff up here probably tomorrow, to much going on tonight sadly.
And thanks all for the feedback. I'm a little confused by the win-sauceum thing though...
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Win-awesome-sauce. Or Win-sauce-awesome.
I imagine it being somewhat akin to calling something lame weak-sauce. Only in this case it's calling something really good (and I whole heartedly agree with the redone penta, amazing) so its win-sauceum.
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