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WinterRat1
Scrapheap- Good call on that re-searching. I was sitting here wondering, 'will they make it easy on themselves, or hard?' Good job!

Slipshade- I was very careful to reread your posts to see if you searched anywhere else. I also rolled a hidden perception for you to see if you heard anything, but between Twiggy having a very vested interest in remaining hidden and your injury modifiers, it wasn't even close. But it all worked out in the end, right? And don't forget, you still have a meet tonight. smile.gif

Eyes-
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banditf50
Damn this restaurant scene, and damn me for having Virgil order one of my favorite appetizers. Now it's not even 11am here and I already want to go out to my favorite place around town for lunch frown.gif grrrr . . . .
WinterRat1
Bandit and Paul- I noticed a time problem here.

Paul you have Blaze showing up at the restaurant at 1900, which is 7pm.

Bandit has Max at a meet at about 2200, which is 10pm.

Paul you state that Max doesn't arrive until 10:15pm (22:15) which is impossible because he's at the meet at Caveman Kate's at that time.

Plus, did you really mean that, since that would mean Blaze arrived THREE HOURS early?

I'm guessing what you meant was that Max arrived at 19:15, which is 7:15, which is plenty of time for him to eat with you and make the meet with Erebus later on.

Let me know if that's ok with you Paul and edit to say he shows up at 19:15 and I'll post a reply. That should make all the storylines flow smoothly.
The_Eyes
WinterRat1:
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WinterRat1
Eyes-
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Sedna
bandit: You know for a fact she doesn't recognise the other guy. You might keep in mind the rumours you've picked up about the nightclub/gaming house, even if some of them seem contradictory ork.gif

You might also keep in mind what Doreen just told you.
WinterRat1
i don't know that stuff...

Sedna was there anything Alleycat was going to do when she wakes up i should be prepared for?

Slip and Scrap- Post away, I'll be watching and post for when (not if, but when) you start questioning Twiggy. Unless of course, you just want to let him walk out of there without asking him anything, in which case, he just well...leaves. Or am I right in assuming there will be questions for him? biggrin.gif
banditf50
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bandit: You know for a fact she doesn't recognise the other guy.  You might keep in mind the rumours you've picked up about the nightclub/gaming house, even if some of them seem contradictory  ork.gif

You might also keep in mind what Doreen just told you.

That is some good stuff to think about. I will have to go over my notes when I get back home tonight.

Winterrat: It's time for me to leave my desk and get some real bench work done for the day. I'll be available again later in the day.
WinterRat1
Heh, i'll be around. Work is very slow these last few days.

I gotta ask after the run of posts the last few days, which of us are in school/not working/on break right now, and which of us are just spending way too much time messing around on the computer at work?
Sedna
I don't think so. Picking up on any replies and generally picking up on the mood of Shadowland, target practice (needed!), feeling out Tarqa as a possible instructor, and then to meet. There's a message to be delivered somewhere in there, but that's not something you can help me with wink.gif

And, by way of partial answer, I'm pulling together major time on this right now because I'll be completely off-line Sunday-Tuesday.
Scrapheap
QUOTE (WinterRat1)
Slip and Scrap- Post away, I'll be watching and post for when (not if, but when) you start questioning Twiggy. Unless of course, you just want to let him walk out of there without asking him anything, in which case, he just well...leaves. Or am I right in assuming there will be questions for him? biggrin.gif

Yeah, that kid's got some 'splainin to do!
Slipshade
WinterRat

Lets see if I can get everything straight:

You are correct, I only looked in Keira's office, since she was my main concern.

You already rolled my Perception, which is fine. Until I get some rest I will not likely pass any tests. smile.gif

Your damn right we are going to ask Twiggy some questions.

And I am spending way to much time messing around on the computer at work.

Does that cover everything. smile.gif

Slip
Morgannah
biggrin.gif

I'm in the process of moving so my "work" is at home for the time being. With that being said, I've barely packed a box all week .. maybe I should get to it. spin.gif
Sedna
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was there anything Alleycat was going to do when she wakes up i should be prepared for?

Well, maybe one thing that I'd set in motion, but that won't be valid before the message gets delivered. Grail's now actively looking for all things Melissa. He would get that information to Alleycat as he comes across major insight points (but not before she delivers the message).
Sedna
I have to step away for a few hours, ronin. I'll anticipate one question: you're too late to stop it getting into the vent. I'll answer any other questions as soon as I get back.
banditf50
Aw drek. How much more can that clinic take? For all the combat that Galina, Bob, and Juliette have had to endure as healthcare providers . . . they should have all just joined the army . . or perhaps Combat Inc. spin.gif

You better take care of them ronin sarcastic.gif
WinterRat1
Ugh, I gotta say, even if we complete all our objectives and stuff, part of me wants to hunt these guys down and kill them all just for all the trouble they've caused. And btw Ronin, you better have some cool tricks like these up your sleeve! cyber.gif
Tiredronin
tricks... well we'll see

Sedna - how feasable is this "flying Dragon" idea?

just in case the die roll comes up:

handling check to see how much I can accelerate Talos on the way back to the clinic

Strato-9 handling 3
Rotorcraft 6 + 3 control pool.. might as well.

10 05 05 04 03 03 02 02 01 = 6 successes

accel is 9 so 54m/turn increase (or whatever the max speed is)

Winterrat1 - what do you think of this?
WinterRat1
OK we have a serious continuity problem here, and I'm open to suggestions.

At 16:50 Daedalus shoots a major warning to Dragon to get the people out of the clinic.

However, at that point Dragon was merrily dropping off Virgil and going to the drop, unaware of this recent development.

And then, at 17:30 or so, Dragon and Virgil are eating a nice quiet dinner. This probably would not have happened if they knew an enemy drone was inside the clinic.

The only thing I can think of that makes any sense is saying for whatever reason, Daedalus's call just didn't get through to Dragon. Maybe they were jamming him or something, blah blah blah. We don't roll and say that's what happened.

That works and I'm fine with it, but only in so far as nothing actually happens to the clinic or anyone inside. Obviously Dragon couldn't make it across town back to the clinic in time to do anything regarding the drone, but regardless he probably would've headed there to at least pick up the pieces of the mess and not gone to sit in the restaurant.

So Sedna, since you're the GM on this one, how do you want us to resolve this one?
WinterRat1
Ronin- Be more specific please; what do I think of WHAT?
Tiredronin
nm i was going to post on the IC thread but should hammer out details here first.

but how feasable is it to have Talos pick up Dragon and fly him to the clinic asap.

problem is, if the drone is inside the clinic, my rotor drones will be able to provide minimal assistance.

timeline problems arise however.. (you already started the conversation at the resturant)
hrm : /

I mean otherwise Talos will just fly back and do whatever he can (maybe Virgil can send a spirit or something?)

Tiredronin
ah, didn't see your post on the time discrepancy issue. yeah.. guess we just wait till Sedna gets back.

: P ok now I must study. i'll be back on the comp later tonight.
Cedric Rolfsson
Can someone tell me the rules for creating a program? I don't even own any of the Matrix books and I set up a character that has computer skills wobble.gif

I would like to create a "simulator" program. Something that would allow me to have multiple people jack into a simulated reality, where I can add detailed floor plans, opposition, etc. That would allow me and any group I was with to do "run throughs" of a prospective run to get a feel for timing and possible trouble etc.

The problems I see are these:

1. Individual abilities. I have no idea how I would quantify and represent each person's individual attributes so that their simulated character would have roughly the same speed, strength, dimensions as their meat body.

2. Magic. No idea how to simulate a magically active character or spell effects in a computer simulation.

3. Jackpoints. This wouldn't work with a bunch of people jacking into a hitcherjack, they'd have to have their own terminal wouldn't they?

I've never worked with a Matrix capable character before so I'm exploring new ground here. I know that a "simulator" program is possible because in "Clockwork Asylum" Ryan Mercury's character kept a Fuchi 8 cyberdeck in his room at his Hells Canyon facility specifically to run simulations on. I'm just trying to figure out how complicated this thought is.

Oh and yes I'm at work so I don't have any of my books to refer to, so these questions might be answered there.
Tiredronin
ok, procrastinating just a bit more...

Winterrat - I'd say the radio interference idea sounds good, instead of active jamming maybe just some sort of radio interference? (which would raise questions about the reliability of our communications gear that we can just not ask)

of course this means Daedalus will have to think of something else... doh..

WinterRat1
The main problem with the interference thing is I don't know about you, but i have a damn good comm system. It's highly unlikely anything short of specific jamming would shut me down. Mostly I just thought of that as a random thing that makes some sense that would cover the hole, albeit less than ideally, since logically Dragon and Daedalus would investigate the problem, except there really wouldn't be one. Even if they were getting jammed, Dragon has very good encrypt/decrypt comm stuff, so again, unlikely scenario. Let's just wait to see what Sedna thinks and go from there.

And Cedric- I don't know exactly how or even if it's possible, but I can tell you this much: it's going to take some time to get all that together (assuming it's even doable, and assuming you make all the required rolls to do so). Beyond that very broad generalization, I'd recommend asking Grendel.

I realize that wasn't very helpful, but there's my .02 nuyen.gif spin.gif
WinterRat1
And speak of the devil...ok Ronin, Bandit dealt with all the magic flying our way, and I dealt with the super jacked up street sam with the Body of 14!!! Oh, and I also dealt with the minor matter of not dying when we got the missiles shot at us. It's your turn to carry the team now. grinbig.gif

Uh...you can carry the team here, right? ohplease.gif
Sedna
No continuity problem. You already know that there is a phone issue involved -- remember Inleat's call to Virgil? Quick ruling for continuity purposes: short-range local and what's already established is holding -- but if you were to jump out of Icarus now, ronin, you might have problems getting back. That means Talos is on captain's chair only.

Daedalus is intelligent enough to know that the others can't possibly get there in time in any case: this one is up to him. (I gave you that extra karma point for a reason: your choice meant that you're around now to do something about this one.) He also knows that drone is too small to be carrying any kind of ammo-based weapon, no matter how tricked out it is.

I have no clue what the "flying Dragon" idea is. (Scanning a bit further down) ... uh ... possible, barely. I'm thinking not at all desirable from Dragon's pov. The weight factor would cut your speed seriously down. And in any case it isn't happening because of the aforementioned communications issues.

And Galina, Bob, Trank, and Juliette know that they're working in a clinic in the Puyallup Barrens; and when they took Sybersnake in, they may as well have joined Combat Inc. 'Nuff said. (Along that note, there is one very obvious thing you could do ... smile.gif )

OOG: your background should actually be helping with this one, ronin. What factors are typical for a quarantined infectious disease containment area ... and how could someone take advantage of that at no risk to themselves?

WinterRat: grinbig.gif
Sedna
Btw -- I don't mind speculative tabletalk from all and sundry. In fact, I'm encouraging it. After all, ronin's just getting his feet wet here, and it is one heck of a situation to be dropped into.
grendel
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I would like to create a "simulator" program.  Something that would allow me to have multiple people jack into a simulated reality, where I can add detailed floor plans, opposition, etc.  That would allow me and any group I was with to do "run throughs" of a prospective run to get a feel for timing and possible trouble etc.


In the Shadowrun Matrix, this isn't a program per se. Programs allow deckers to accomplish specific system tasks. What you're referring to is a simulated reality, possibly a sculpted system, which is much more indepth than a single program.

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3.  Jackpoints.  This wouldn't work with a bunch of people jacking into a hitcherjack, they'd have to have their own terminal wouldn't they?


Yes, given such a reality each person would need their own jackpoint, whether that was a deck or other computer wouldn't matter.

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I know that a "simulator" program is possible because in "Clockwork Asylum" Ryan Mercury's character kept a Fuchi 8 cyberdeck in his room at his Hells Canyon facility specifically to run simulations on.  I'm just trying to figure out how complicated this thought is.


Never confuse what's possible in fiction with what's possible in the game world.

But why reinvent the wheel? What you are looking for is available, for a nominal fee. Contact Black Eagle Simulations via the Shadowland -> Business section.
Cedric Rolfsson
Grendel, gracias. I'll look into it.

Umm, Ronin, when there is an infectious disease situation, all of the vents should have multiple baffles which could be closed to completely "seal" the system. To prevent infection from either leaving the facility or entering the facility. Couldn't you simply close the baffles on either side of the drone and thereby "capture" the drone? That way you could have Dragon recover the drone and maybe get a clue as to who it came from.

If it was valuable enough the rigger running the drone might send people to come get it and the you could follow them back.

Just a thought.

Cedric

P.S. Don't places like that have an incinerator? Maybe there is some type of "purification" system in the vents which might be able to disable to destroy the drone. A simple telecom call to the clinic, saying you're a neighbor who saw it enter while looking out the window at the exploding missiles would probably be enough to at least warn the clinic
Shadow
A Short Victorious War is back on track. Please post as appropriate.
banditf50
Cedric: You are now involved in aSVW . . congrats! I sent you an email detailing that fast-forwarding that will needed for your timeline, but nothing should be too vital. Consider youself cleared to post in Shadow's game. Best of luck smile.gif
paul_HArkonen
ok, I would just like to say Wow, That's going to be bad... Ok, first things first, no He wasn't ariving at 7:30, but the post started then. He actually "arived" at something like 8:45, which I meant to have be 9:45, that's my fault for not making it clear. And it's also my fault for not noticing the time conflict.

I'm going to have him show up for dinner at 7:45 and finish it within a half-hour, that should still be ok. I'll adjust the timing of the meet, but that would mean Max would actually be punctual, rather than late.

I'll go back through and edit the ofending posts. You know, this is what I get for trying to use this to relax before an exam...
Sedna
Actually, to make this flow a bit better, ronin, I'm changing the time of the events at the clinic to 17:30:00, to correspond with WinterRat's post. Is everyone okay with that?

(These things are going to happen, paul. Just look at the rapidly darned-over split in their storyline!)
paul_HArkonen
I suppose this is true, but I really should try ot read these things more closely than I've been able to. Oh well, could be worse, we could be jumped and max killed in my storyline, but the same person survive in Bandit's. (Don't get any Ideas Winterrat, I've been paying enough attention to know what's been happening to you guys and I'm glad it's not me.)
Sedna
Turns out I slipped as well in my reading -- that "encounter" seems to have been a good deal more distracting than I realised! wink.gif

Here's the tentative calendar. It's still rough as hell, but at least it's up. To it I'm gradually going to add the major keynotes of people's storylines, the ones that other people might actually notice if they're not actively looking for them.

WinterRat: could you first-page link it?
paul_HArkonen
most impressive, Thanks for putting in the work to get that site set up.
Morgannah
Excellent work on the site so far, Sedna. smile.gif It's a great read!

Oh! And congrats to Shadow and the cast of the our newest run!
Sedna
Okay, I think I've got that time discrepency sorted out: Okay by you three? After that abrupt cut-off, there has been no further communication between Daedalus and Dragon/Virgil.
WinterRat1
Hey all, extremely late night. Quick things

Everyone- Will post on stuff tomorrow.

Sedna, Ronin, Bandit- I'm fine with the time change, works great by me and we'll run with that.

Sedna- I'll first page link the stuff in tomorrow.

Shadow- congrats on the run starting and good luck

That's the basics, all other stuff to come
Sedna
paul, WinterRat: do you want me to sort out your time issues? (I've done it before for your storyline, paul, pre- and during early part of Salvation, when we were first working out how to intermingle run and core thread.) Means it won't be solved for another 24 hours -- just keep using whatever "time" you're using right now -- gives me a sense of flow -- but it will be solved then.
WinterRat1
Sedna- go ahead and sort out the time issues, that would be very helpful, thanks!

As an aside, Ronin, Bandit, I've noticed a lot of people saying they're very entertained watching our storyline, but they're very glad it's not them. Maybe we should reassess our lifestyles if that's the case, huh? wink.gif
The_Eyes
Slipshade: you may want to correct your magic professor: Ritual magic does not in fact require more than one person. It's a common misconception actually, rather like the one about shamans all being Native American tribesmen. Rituals actually require little more than a mage, a ritual link, and a place of power, be it circle or lodge, to prepare the ritual. Of course it's much easier to have a number of magic users working in tandem, particularly if the spell is complex or the linking difficult--but I digress. biggrin.gif

We don't want your professor getting something like that wrong, do we? smile.gif
Scrapheap
Eyes-
Actually, I think he got that from me. And I got it from a quick glance at Magic in the Shadows. I didn't read the section in depth, but all of the wording was directed at the team, kept mentioning the team leader, etc.

But, if you're correct (and I assume you are), you're right and he should edit the post. It makes sense that Scrapheap would not have the info right, but a practicing shaman would.

Sorry, Slip! My bad.
The_Eyes
Yup, just checked, page 36, under "The Ritual Team": "A single spellcaster can perform ritual sorcery alone, with a Ritual Pool equal to the character's Sorcery (or Ritual Sorcery specialization).

You are, however, trying to use Astral Tracking, I'm assuming, and in that you do need at least one other person, to be the spotter who actually does the tracking (the leader can't be the spotter, apparently).. so the point may be moot.
Cedric Rolfsson
Just making sure I'm doing this right. Erebus is spending Karma and improving my Motorcycle skill from zero to 2. I don't have my books (I looked this up at 1:47 a.m. this morning after spending two hours on poker and one hour prepping a case for a hearing for this morning) but I believe the karma cost is 6.

0-1 = 2 karma points

1-2 = 4 karma points

If this is wrong please correct me.
The_Eyes
Pretty sure you round down when multiplying, so 1 Karma and 3 Karma, for a total of 4. Er, unless your Reaction attribute is 0. smile.gif

For reference, Karma spending is in the Guidelines, here.
WinterRat1
Thanks Eyes for that link. The main obstacle, Cedric, is training time. I believe you're getting fast-forwarded(?) so this shouldn't be a problem, but yeah, check the Guidelines in regards to that and make sure you have a record somewhere for future reference, and just post indicating that you're training.

Check on the rounding though, my general rule of thumb is 'always round whichever way screws you most' since that's usually how it is.
Slipshade
Eyes, yes it would be astral tracking so I would need the extra person anyway. I will leave the post as is, since the extra person is still appropriate.

Thanks for the clarification, I haven't had time to brush up on the Ritual spellcasting rules.

Oh and he is a Professor of Parazoology not Magical Theory, that and the fact that he awakened late give him (and me) a lot of leeway to make those kind of mistakes. smile.gif

Slip
banditf50
Cedric: All your training time is justified and has been approved by me as per me giving you permission to fast-forward. Thanks for posting the karma spent in here in the OOC, that way both winterrat and I can make a note of it.

*Again to winterrat, I already approved the training time as part of his fast forwarding.
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