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WinterRat1
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Meriss - Would you please post your advancement info again except this time include your rolls for reducing Training Time? I am having a hard time seeing how you ended up where you did. For example, Artisan cost you 6 karma, which is base 30 training hours. How do you roll a number of hits where 30/X = 18?

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Edit the Edit: Winter, I'm not sure if you were ready to have us squaring up with the Plague or not. But I figured that as soon as they figured out that none of the LoCoS would be trying to stop them they'd be on the move south. Integrate or not as you see fit.


No worries on this, good creativity. May or may not be a real Black Plague tag, and it may or may not be a 'serious' one (as in, one they expect to be able to protect, but you left it ambiguous so it works just fine. Good job.

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@Winter: The general idea is for Ink and Child to wander around in Corsairs turf to find whatever they can salvage. If they see any old Corsairs Ink will offer them membership in the Ravens. Also he wants the whores to keep an eye for any potential buisness.


Understood. Go ahead and fast forward this, you will not see any old Corsairs, but the whores will pick up a few customers. You're free to head back to the Gang HQ too if you wish.

Pragma, Voorhees, and Rob - You're cleared to IC up to the present, being defined as roughly the time Legion is at. If you guys want to head back to the HQ, you're free to do so.

Adamu - Grack is free to do whatever he's up to. See above for what is roughly being defined as the 'present'.

Abbandon -

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Can I keep the hospital clothes ?? lol.

I know I couldnt make the first aid test for the clinic but was I suppose to have made my own healing roll? The only reason im asking is because If I was and you were waiting on it I didnt mean to make you wait.


Yes, you can keep the hospital gown.

You weren't supposed to make the healing roll, I do that for you guys, because it's faster. You've been waiting because I've just been swamped the last few days. No worries.

You'll probably have to wait while the others catch up time wise, so go ahead and flashback a post or something.

All- If anyone needs anything else from me, let me know. Pragma, I still owe you an PM reply, and an IC post will be up for Grendel and Co. shortly.
Slipshade
WR1

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Meriss
@Winter: Ooops my bad I was just using the figures on the wiki pertaining to skill groups to figure training time. LOL!

Redone now including training rolls. Links are from Invisible Castle.
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@All: Woot Invisable Castle now has a hit counter! yay!

For counting hits:
hits(hitmin) – roll the dice and count the hits
5d6.hits(5) – (count the hits 5 or greater) – [5,5,6,2,6] = (4)

For Edge Tests:
hitsopen(hitmin, reroll) – roll the dice and count the hits, adding an extra die for any value equal or greater than “reroll”
7d6.hitsopen(5,6) – (count the hits 5 or greater, extra roll on 6) – [[6, 6, 3],4,1,4,4,3,5] = (3)

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WinterRat1
Meriss - Um, just so you know, if you spend that Edge for the training time tests you won't have it available to you until I determine Edge refreshes.

Are you SURE you want to blow all your Edge on training time tests? If you do, I certainly won't stop you, but low training time does you no good if you're dead.

As we've just seen, death can potentially be just around the corner for anyone at any time...
Meriss
QUOTE (WinterRat1 @ Mar 3 2008, 11:46 AM) *
Meriss - Um, just so you know, if you spend that Edge for the training time tests you won't have it available to you until I determine Edge refreshes.

Are you SURE you want to blow all your Edge on training time tests? If you do, I certainly won't stop you, but low training time does you no good if you're dead.

As we've just seen, death can potentially be just around the corner for anyone at any time...


Ummmm eek.gif Well in that case I'll just roll normally. *sweatdrop* *wipe* embarrassed.gif
Redone training rolls.
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Still, how do we round in case of decimals?
Also when will Edge refresh out of random curiousity? biggrin.gif
Vegas
@All

Second Phase of our Recruiting thread is up to get a little more blood boiling within the October Ravens and make us a force to be reckoned with.

(yes, this was cleared with WR) biggrin.gif
WinterRat1
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Still, how do we round in case of decimals?
Also when will Edge refresh out of random curiousity?


Shadowrun always rounds to screw you. So in the case of training time, round UP.

Edge refreshes when the fates (me) decide it does. And as we all know, fate is fickle...

(translation: you have no idea. I'll just decide when I think enough time has passed to warrant refreshing edge. vegm.gif)

Slip - Do I have the most recent version of your writeup for Shade's Journal? I'm not sure if I do, so would you please resend it to me? I'll reread it and let you know the answer to your question.

All - As far as I know, everyone is currently free to post.
adamu
Winter - not to press the point (especially since I agree with capricious Edge refreshment) - but waaaay back when, you said Edge would refresh with each new major scene.
So, just out of sheer self-interest, is it a new major scene yet since Grack used his Edge in the fight in front of the Sushi Shack?
Slipshade
WR1 -I will re-send it to you.
adamu
Okay - put Grack to bed. He will sleep until:

1. A PC wakes him up with a commcall.
2. GM inflicts some stimulus on his poor unsuspecting self.
3. Legion-time progresses to a point where I want him to do something. That post won't come until such time as that.
WinterRat1
Adamu - Not a new major scene yet. We're still doing the whole 'regrouping, getting used to one another, scouting around' sort of scene
Abbandon
@WR/everyone. This is a small example of Fool's upcoming IC post when he synchs back into time with everyone. Let me know if anything is out of line WR. I decided this was going to be the first thing i wrote today before i did anything on the internet lol cuz the other day I waited and then didnt have the energy.
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WinterRat1
Abbandon - Nothing is out of line. If you have the time and inclination you might want to double check your spelling (e.g. It's Lossky, not Lessky), but it's not required, especially if you did it on purpose to achieve a certain feel/tone/rhythm for Fool's internal monologues. You can pretty much post it whenever, but you might want to wait until you can actually sync up with the others to some degree first.
Abbandon
Think I got them all, I was just going from memory. And I will wait, I just wanted to crank it out and not procrastinate.
adamu
QUOTE (WinterRat1 @ Mar 4 2008, 01:17 AM) *
Adamu - Not a new major scene yet. We're still doing the whole 'regrouping, getting used to one another, scouting around' sort of scene


No problem - good to know.

Next Edge-related question - is the training time the same as for other attributes? Any thoughts on how one might train for that?
WinterRat1
Walk around Kingsgate on Edge!

*Stands and bows*

Thank you! Thank you! I'll be here all week!

*Starts running as the ridiculously tough Kingsgate crowd rushes the stage to lynch him*

Ahem...ok, for that one, for role-playing purposes it's seriously fine to just represent your character as being hyper-alert, on edge, aware of their surroundings, etc.

I won't be as harsh on role-playing posts for things that are harder to RP training for various reasons (e.g. Edge for lack of clarity, Gun skills for lack of ammo, etc.) as on things that are easier, like raising Body or Strength, which are obvious.

The key thing is to make me aware in the OOC thread that your intention is for your corresponding IC post to represent training time. Even if your IC thread isn't a perfect match for what you're trying to raise, what I care about is you're making the effort to be conscientious in having your character try to improve. Effort is a large chunk of the improvement process after all, so as long as your character is consistently trying to get better in a way that makes some kind of sense, that's generally good enough for me.

Good enough answer for everyone?
WinterRat1
Double Post.
adamu
@Winter - dark comes fairly early in Seattle in November. Could you give us allergy/geas types an exact time on sundown? Much obliged!
Meriss
@Winter: How many customers roughly? Or is that up to me?

@All: Anyone have any ideas on the average price of tail in Kingsgate?
Abbandon
A sidebar in the book said 20$ for a pro, 200$ for an escort. So somehwere in between depending.
WinterRat1
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@Winter - dark comes fairly early in Seattle in November. Could you give us allergy/geas types an exact time on sundown? Much obliged!


The sun will completely set as of 16:23:00.

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@Winter: How many customers roughly? Or is that up to me?

@All: Anyone have any ideas on the average price of tail in Kingsgate?


Number of customers is up to you. Price is irrelevant at the moment. For now, since the whores are your only source of income, I'm just assuming whatever money they make is going towards supplies (i.e. food and water). Once you're a bit more established, we can worry about the specifics.

Thanks Abbandon for that price reference!
adamu
"Now it's dark..."


@pragma & Voorhees (and rob if you have access) - hey guys, looking for a new HQ in a group of several PCs with different ideas of what we want, and of course needing interaction with the GM as to what we can even find, thought I'd just lay out some basic parameters for what Grack will do/prefer, and then let one of you guys do primary posting as the "caller." I think pragma makes more sense in this particular case, since he has the home ground thing going on here as a former Hammerpack member, but anyone is fine with me. Or two active leaders. Whatever.

Grack will basically have his music up when everyone arrives. He assumes Thumper got the same directive he did, so no need to talk. He'll follow the group of the other four gangers, but mostly by running around in parallel alleys in a sort of outrider position. He will never walk out in the open street, always lurking in alleys nearby. During all this, his music is off.

Thumper will know that Grack will be against any location without ready sewer access. That will be the Grack's only preference about anything, and I expect that with Home Ground, and a 2 rating in the very specific street knowledge skill of Sewer Layout Under/Around Hammerpack Turf, he will probably know which places do and don't have access. He'll signal a thumbs up to places he likes, and thumbs down for places he doesn't, but in any debate he will defer to Thumper.

Winter - for all that stuff, here is an infil test to be sneaky and hidden, a perception test for threats, and also spellcasting and drain for Detect Enemies Extended Range.

Spell at force 1
Spellcasting + Magic + Mentor bonus = 4 dice
4 6 6 1 = 2 successes (relevant against resisting detection)
Range 10 meters

Drain
Charisma + Willpower = 6 dice
6 4 5 6 6 6 = no drain

Perception
Skill + Intuition - spell sustaining + home turf = 4 dice
3 2 6 4 = 1 success. Better than none - but good thing the spell is working!

Infiltration
Agility + skill + urban specialization - spell sustaining + home ground = 8 dice
5 2 3 5 2 5 3 2 = 3 successes
Abbandon
Haha I feel bad bringing this up now that im running a game and know whats it like for such random questions and thoughts but...

I was thinking it would be cool if Lossky and Destry or whatever were both magicians with some half decent medical skills. This would help explain why they are so willing to treat gangers for free because they dont really need alot of expensive machines and upkeep with magic. They stabilize and do what they can medically but then use their magic to heal people.

This would also help explain how people can go in there so fubared and then walk back out a few hours later almost as good as new? I was just thinking about that since Fool went there. Oh It would also help explain why nobody messes with anyone else there, besides having your gang cut off from medical attention you would also have to worry about the two doctors sending spirits after your ass.
Lindt
Greetings all. Im back in the states. I think everyone should visit Singapore, but dont stay as long as I did. Makes me apreshate how rude people in Boston are.

Vegas
Welcome back Lindt! smile.gif

I miss Boston like woah.. all the crazy drivers n' stuff... *sniffles* Ahhh the memories of college nyahnyah.gif
WinterRat1
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Haha I feel bad bringing this up now that im running a game and know whats it like for such random questions and thoughts but...

I was thinking it would be cool if Lossky and Destry or whatever were both magicians with some half decent medical skills. This would help explain why they are so willing to treat gangers for free because they dont really need alot of expensive machines and upkeep with magic. They stabilize and do what they can medically but then use their magic to heal people.

This would also help explain how people can go in there so fubared and then walk back out a few hours later almost as good as new? I was just thinking about that since Fool went there. Oh It would also help explain why nobody messes with anyone else there, besides having your gang cut off from medical attention you would also have to worry about the two doctors sending spirits after your ass.


You can believe whatever you want. What's on the wiki is what you think you know. If you want Fool to think something different, no one is stopping you. As always, the truth is for me to know and you to (maybe) learn. smile.gif
WinterRat1
Ah yes, and welcome back Lindt! Feel free to get caught up and just jump back in. Child is currently with Ink, so you may want to talk to Meriss and get a bit caught up on what you've been up to lately.
Vegas
Hey Whipstitch,

Are you gonna run with Cuervo coming from/attempting to join the LoCoS?
Vegas
One more thing...

Whip and Dantic - If you guys have a second, and can give me a one-liner type description of your characters that I can add to the Gang Roster (feel free to get ideas from the existing characters' one-liners) that would be awesome too smile.gif

Thanks!
The Wikisarurus
Whipstitch
Nah, I've decided against the Locos thing, since it'd be easier to just plain bs about his past that way. By the same token he'll originally be from the Carbanado neighborhood in Puyallup rather than Redmond (Ran away only to end up as bad/worse off, but won't go home). I'll be dropping his age down to 17 as well, since the gang skews so young.

Also, I went ahead and put in my own one liner if you don't mind. It says "Just a Sneaky Street Rat-- Until Cornered."
Slipshade
Vegas - Will try to get a post up today after work.
Dantic
QUOTE (Vegas @ Mar 9 2008, 06:03 PM) *
One more thing...

Whip and Dantic - If you guys have a second, and can give me a one-liner type description of your characters that I can add to the Gang Roster (feel free to get ideas from the existing characters' one-liners) that would be awesome too smile.gif

Thanks!
The Wikisarurus


How about? Mouthy, sneaky, and annoying as hell, damn usefull sometimes too.
WinterRat1
Just want to point out I am here and checking the boards daily if anyone needs anything from me. Right now I'm waiting on all of you to push forward to whatever you're doing next, so don't refrain from posting on my account.
Dantic
Created a healing tracker page for you're comments/appraisals.
http://thegutter.wikispaces.com/Healing+Tracker
Meriss
@Lindt: Hey man welcome back!
The Rundown
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@Whip: Welcome aboard Hermano! Que pasa?
Dantic
Awesome!!! wobble.gif
http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/1524802/
3,1,1 for starting nuyen.gif x50 = 250 nuyen.gif Can you crit glitch starting money? spin.gif
Dantic
Got most of my 30 questions answered for Twiggs, got to write up my Takes, need help with this question.

20. When and how did your character join the gang?

Do I need to come up with a specific scenario, or just a general idea to be developed in game?
Vegas
Dantic and Whipstitch

For right now lets keep all discussion pertaining to your characters over in the recruiting thread. Yes, I know the initial comments to spur the latest posts were my fault (That'll teach me to try to do DSF/DITG stuff while sick and on NyQuil) but I'm trying to amend them now biggrin.gif

Thanks!
WinterRat1
Everyone - Anyone waiting on me? I believe you all have something to do/somewhere to be IC, so by all means, push onwards and upwards. If you need something from me, let me know.
Abbandon
........zzzzzzZZZZzzzzzZZZZ........ no thats literally my IC for now hehehe.
adamu
QUOTE (WinterRat1 @ Mar 13 2008, 01:09 AM) *
Everyone - Anyone waiting on me? I believe you all have something to do/somewhere to be IC, so by all means, push onwards and upwards. If you need something from me, let me know.


Well, that's the second such post from management. And believe me, I sympathize!

As you know, I have posted details of Grack's participation in the new HQ search (not at all sure what was wrong with the old HQ...).

He is with four characters, and it is just absolutely not in his nature to take the lead of such a group for a task like this. Neither is there any way in the world he is going to go walking around anywhere openly, giving other people a chance to see him first. So his actions stand.

And since Shade is a sort of NPC, and Bockscar's rob is apparently out of touch (doing something very worthwhile if I don't miss my guess), that leaves Voorhees or pragma to run the search.

However,
WinterRat1, if you grow too impatient, just OOC me what sort of stuff they will find (remembering that Grack will do his best to veto any place without sewer access), and I will do an IC post of Grack skulking around in alleys watching them find the place.

I think it would be better if someone else ICed the search, but I'll do whatever is asked to keep things going.
pragma
Sorry for the delay!

I'm aware that I owe a post or two, but it's been a hell of a week (a few different projects are coming into a shocking degree of maturity at the same time). ICs Should be up sometime the next two days.
Vegas
Slip

Sorry for an extremely short post, I just didn't want to hold you up anymore and honestly it's not like Nevada's gonna go snooping (too much at least) through Baby's place wink.gif

All

As far as finding a "new HQ" I seem to remember discussion a while back about finding an "old abandoned jiffy-lube" type garage or something similar. Lindt was going to try to find floor plans at one point and work them up for the wiki. I can also do something similar if he can't because of time/work/whatever. Just tossing that back into the pot for anyone to run with IC'ly.

Perhaps it's time to raise from the dead that discussion as to where and what we need/want to find and what WR will allow us to come across. I can hardly imagine us getting anything that's close to functioning "as-is" but something with potential to build out and fix up should be possible.
Slipshade
Vegas - No worries. Your delay was giving me a much needed break while I manned the Recruiting Thread. smile.gif
pragma
I am anticipating Thumper pursuing his usual strategy of wandering in an aimless spiral while looking for a place to crash:

Int + Architecture + Home Ground (I took +2 for this, I think that's right but don't have reference on hand): # dice: 6 :: 4 5 6 3 4 4 -- 2 successes
Int + Perception (Visual) + Contacts + Actively searching: # dice: 10 :: 5 2 5 4 5 6 4 5 4 5 -- 6 successes

His primary criterion for selecting a HQ are listed in order of descending importance:
1) Easily defensible,
2) Big and imposing,
3) Still has operating utilites etc.,
4) Comfortable,
5) Free of occupants

@adamu
Don't know how much Grack feels like talking. I took the liberty of having him outside, this can be edited if need be.
adamu
@pragma

no worries, all good.


EDIT - I am going to put my time stamp at 16:40 - the message from Legion was stamped 16:24, and the message from Grack to Thumper was 16:25, so I think it is safe to go with 16:50 (as opposed to 15:40) for the present moment.
Dantic
QUOTE (Vegas @ Mar 13 2008, 08:29 PM) *
Slip

Sorry for an extremely short post, I just didn't want to hold you up anymore and honestly it's not like Nevada's gonna go snooping (too much at least) through Baby's place wink.gif

All

As far as finding a "new HQ" I seem to remember discussion a while back about finding an "old abandoned jiffy-lube" type garage or something similar. Lindt was going to try to find floor plans at one point and work them up for the wiki. I can also do something similar if he can't because of time/work/whatever. Just tossing that back into the pot for anyone to run with IC'ly.

Perhaps it's time to raise from the dead that discussion as to where and what we need/want to find and what WR will allow us to come across. I can hardly imagine us getting anything that's close to functioning "as-is" but something with potential to build out and fix up should be possible.


I have some ideas/opinions, from looking at the map of the area, as to what the gang should look for. location, location, location, but I don't want to over step my bounds and say too much since I am not in the game yet.
adamu
Hey Dantic - this is the OOC post! Just a bunch of us gamers sitting around a table sucking down Big Gulps and making elaborate dice pyramids while we wait for our turn to shoot someone in the face for money.

Never hurts to hear some ideas.
Slipshade
QUOTE (adamu @ Mar 14 2008, 04:45 PM) *
Hey Dantic - this is the OOC post! Just a bunch of us gamers sitting around a table sucking down Big Gulps and making elaborate dice pyramids while we wait for our turn to shoot someone in the face for money.


HAH!
Dantic
In that case, I think you need to make a choice at this point.

Do you really want to try an re-establish control in the same territory again? I know Legion is used to this turf, and it has some advantages. If the gang stays here I think we first have to establish turf again, from NE 144th st, south, to 141st pl and from 124th ave NE, east, to 128th ave NE. To establish here, I think a HQ just south of Evergreen Heights and/or the park would be best, close enough to central and far enough from raider turf to be defensible.

Option two, take turf that was controlled by other gangs that are now gone, post All Hallows Armageddon. If everyone can skirt plague turf and make it south and east, we could set up between the U-Lock, U-Store and Bodega Gato Afortunado. This would give us a place to crash (u-lock) and a place to get supplies, and possibly some allies (bodega). This would allow us to possibly expand west, where there is a lot more room, and potential resources to exploit. The draw back is being between 162's and Black Plague, but the ghouls don't tend to get involved in gang warfare, and black plague is weakened by the recent war.
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