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ShadowWalker

May 4 2012, 04:12 PM

QUOTE (CeeJay @ May 4 2012, 08:15 AM)

Aaaand here's another little thing I just recognized about drones in chummer that doesn't sound right with me:

When I buy a drone (let's say a Doberman) the stat block reads System: 3 ... Pilot 3 etc.
Looks like chumer thinks these are two different entities. I can also increase the System rating of a drone indepent from it's pilot, which is also not correct.

For reference, here's the entry from SR4a:

So the pilot essentially is the drone's system. Drones do not have a separate system rating.

-CJ

Page 102 of Arsenal has the following, that changes what's in sr4, sadly sr4a that came out after Arsenal did not change what's in Arsenal.

QUOTE

DEVICE/SOFTWARE RATINGS
As wireless-enabled devices, every vehicle/drone is considered
to have a Device rating (see p. 213, SR4) that determines
its standard Matrix attributes (Response, System, Firewall, and
Signal). As noted on the Sample Devices table, p. 214, SR4,
standard vehicles have Device ratings of 3, security vehicles have
Device ratings of 4, and military vehicles have Device ratings of 5.
Th e individual Response, System, Firewall, and Signal ratings may
be upgraded as normal (see p. 240, SR4).
Note that Pilot rating is listed separately, and is not considered
part of the Device rating.

So according to Arsenal all vehicles have a System rating, as well as a Pilot rating. I don't agree with Arsenal, I think the Pilot should be the System as stated in SR4A.

CeeJay

May 4 2012, 05:22 PM

QUOTE (ShadowWalker @ May 4 2012, 06:12 PM)

So according to Arsenal all vehicles have a System rating, as well as a Pilot rating. I don't agree with Arsenal, I think the Pilot should be the System as stated in SR4A.

Sometimes.... sometimes I really... Okay, so drone have a system rating that they will never use.

Since I just have this discussion in my group at the moment, I might ask you this as well:

My Runners Companion says the following to purchasing attributes in Karma generation mode:

QUOTE (Companion p. 42)

Next, purchase the character’s attributes (including special attributes) using the costs given in the Karma Character Generation Table. Characters begin with the minimum attribute ratings defined by their race/metatype. The maximum Karma a character can spend on their attributes at character generation is half their starting Karma (rounding up) plus twice the listed BP cost for their metatype or alternate racial concept.

Chummer enforces the second part concerning the Karma cap, but happily ignores the bolded part in the brackets. So for a human mage I can purchase attributes for 375 karma and additionally purchase 6 magic and 6 edge...
I'm currently unaware of an errata that changed the bolded part above, so if anyone could give me a link or something that would be appreciated.

-CJ

bannockburn

May 4 2012, 05:31 PM

QUOTE (CeeJay @ May 4 2012, 07:22 PM)

Chummer enforces the second part concerning the Karma cap, but happily ignores the bolded part in the brackets. So for a human mage I can purchase attributes for 375 karma and additionally purchase 6 magic and 6 edge...
I'm currently unaware of an errata that changed the bolded part above, so if anyone could give me a link or something that would be appreciated.

In my understanding this means that you purchase attributes and special attributes for the same costs.
In the standard creation system, special attributes do not count against the limit on Build or Karma points (emphasis mine)

QUOTE (p82, SR4 revised)

Players may not spend more than half their total BP on Physical and Mental attributes

However, the RC states what you quoted. I'm not sure, if that's a mistake there or poorly worded. For my part I never enforced it, but it does make an interesting point.

SpellBinder

May 5 2012, 09:03 AM

Regarding System/Pilot & the entry in SR4a 245, the catch word is "basically". It's not exactly worded well, but also doesn't state that a Pilot program IS a System program. I'd probably suggest ignoring the first "System" in that second paragraph, might make more sense.

Now drones do use System. Their nodes can be attacked just like any commlink, and System sets how much cyber damage it can take. Also, drones and vehicles can run other Common/Hacking programs as well, and System limits the rating of those programs in a vehicle just as it does in a commlink. Best to think of a vehicle's Pilot rating as it's four mental attributes, particularly Logic.

Regarding the FAQs, I've seen several posts suggesting to shy away from those. As for a reduced response, actually, it can be killer for a drone because it is used for many tests when it's running autonomously or if a rigger's jumped in (see SR4a, top of page 247), especially if that drone's also got an active IC (with proper armed software) as well as a running Encrypt and ECCM software (which paranoid riggers would be foolish not to run all of these). Thankfully databombs don't require a running program anymore. Now if you really wanted to be mean about the Response of vehicles and drones, the way things are worded on SR4a 245 about a drone's Pilot program does suggest you can count it as one of your running programs (meaning your Pilot 3, ECCM 3, and Encrypt 3 reduces your Response to 2); this isn't exactly something I'd enforce.

EpicUnknown

May 5 2012, 09:45 PM

Could you make it so that the metamagics that adepts get from their way show up in the metamagic table?

groduick

May 6 2012, 05:18 PM

It would be great to have an option to show the BP/karma cost or nuyen cost when you print a character in creation mode; so that you can show it to your GM (those little beasts can be suspicious sometimes); perhaps just a quick text-only summary, without dice pools and everything else...

Neko Asakami

May 6 2012, 09:18 PM

So, I just finished building a character and when determining my starting money, Chummer says that I get 4D6 x $1000, meaning a luxury lifestyle. Thing is, I have no idea how it got this number. I used the advanced lifestyles and the total came up to 18 points, which is only a high lifestyle. The entertainment level is at luxury, would that do it?

BouncingCactus

May 7 2012, 12:22 AM

Making a character with Type O system.
Adding normal grade bioware in the Cyberware and Bioware tab works just like I didn't have Type-O. Just as suspected.
However.
When I manually increase the grade of the Bioware (Muscle Toner in this case) to Deltagrade, I would think that the price would stay the same but the essence cost would be lower, right?

That's actually not what happens. What happens is that the price goes up as if I had bought a Deltagrade bioware out-of-the-box but it costs no essence. So it looks like this:

Type O system. positive quality.
Deltagrade Muscle Toner rank 4: 320000

and 0.0 essence cost.
Remaining Essence: 6.0

+++EDIT+++

Actually, upon further inspection, this is the essence costs of Muscle Toner rank 4 without Type O System:
basic 0.8
second-hand 0.96
alpha 0.64
betaware 0.56
deltaware 0.40

Essence cost with Type O System:
basic 0.40
second-hand 0.56
alphaware 0.24
betaware 0.16
deltaware 0.00

The only thing Type O ought to do is to upgrade basic bioware to deltaware grade for Essence cost purposes but keep the price tag at basic level, correct?

Just thought I would point that one out ^_ ^

redwulf25

May 7 2012, 05:42 AM

Made an Elf with a natural agility of 4 and natural strength of 2 and then bought a level 2 Muscle replacement. For some reason my enhanced Agility is only 5 instead of the 6 it should be. My strength is being increased correctly.

Edit: My charisma is hard capped. Could that be effecting it somehow?

CeeJay

May 7 2012, 09:30 AM

QUOTE (BouncingCactus @ May 7 2012, 02:22 AM)

The only thing Type O ought to do is to upgrade basic bioware to deltaware grade for Essence cost purposes but keep the price tag at basic level, correct?

And that's exactly what is happening. Looking at your list, the basic musle toner with Type 0 cost the same amount of essence as the delta muscle toner without Type 0.
So it looks alright, doesn't it?
Keep in mind that Type 0 only changes the essence cost. It doesn't turn normal bioware into deltagrade bioware in terms of product quality etc.

-CJ

bannockburn

May 7 2012, 09:35 AM

QUOTE (redwulf25 @ May 7 2012, 07:42 AM)

Made an Elf with a natural agility of 4 and natural strength of 2 and then bought a level 2 Muscle replacement. For some reason my enhanced Agility is only 5 instead of the 6 it should be. My strength is being increased correctly.

Edit: My charisma is hard capped. Could that be effecting it somehow?

How much body does your elf have and how much armor does he wear? Maybe the encumbrance is factored in

redwulf25

May 7 2012, 10:00 AM

QUOTE (bannockburn @ May 7 2012, 05:35 AM)

How much body does your elf have and how much armor does he wear? Maybe the encumbrance is factored in

Ah yes. It's been a while since I played I may have forgotten to factor in that rule. He's wearing an Auctioneers Business Suit 6 ballistic 3 Impact and only has a body of 2.

bannockburn

May 7 2012, 10:48 AM

If he's only wearing one piece of armour, you can check the optional rule fur encumbrance in the options to avoid this.
Other than that, only YNT SoftWeave or more body will help

BouncingCactus

May 7 2012, 12:58 PM

QUOTE (CeeJay @ May 7 2012, 11:30 AM)

And that's exactly what is happening. Looking at your list, the basic musle toner with Type 0 cost the same amount of essence as the delta muscle toner without Type 0.
So it looks alright, doesn't it?
Keep in mind that Type 0 only changes the essence cost. It doesn't turn normal bioware into deltagrade bioware in terms of product quality etc.

-CJ

I thought the only real difference between a standard Muscle Toner and a deltagrade Muscle Toner is in the essence cost and probably other specific things that affects different grades differently, but I haven't found any such thing yet. So yeah, just entering Type O system does work just as intended with standard bioware.
I ought to simply have kept it at standard rating for 0 amount of confusion. But since I did muck around, here's a follow-up question though:

The question is, how does Type O system manage to reduce the essence cost of actual deltaware to 0?
Oooooh!
I see it now. Type O system cuts the standard price in half and then reduce the costs of all other grades by that amount.
.8 to .4 is a .4 adjustment, .96 to .56, .64 to .24, .56 to .16, .4 to .0

Is that just how it is programed, or is there somewhere in the rules that allows for this?
*curious complete newbie*
I don't think so, but no essence cost bioware does look pretty powerful, if expensive.

The Wrestling Troll

May 7 2012, 04:05 PM

Hi Nebular!

Got a quick question about cyberware and Chummer!

Is it possible to link the Stat-skill bonus of a limb directly to a skill?
For example having normal agility of 3 would result in pistol skill 3 +skilllevel. But my Char has 2 cyberarms with modified agility of 7 and would gain the full 7 agi for the dices in this skill.
Chummer somehow compares all the limbs and gives you only the average limbbonus of 4 agility to the skill. I know that would mean to split up all the skills into different body zones, but without that you ALWAYS have to calculate each individual skill after printing out the char and fix the numbers on the sheet. Only alternative to that is to fix the numbers via the "improvements" tab after char creation and fix all the skills yourself.

Wouldn't it also be possible to have a "body chart" (see attachement) integrated into Chummer that shows the individual Stats of the Cyberlimbs? Agility, Strenght and Body of each seperate Limb etc.

[ Spoiler ]

As of now, it's kinda hard or better said a nuisance to keep track of all the different cyberware stats.

Nebular

May 8 2012, 03:14 PM

QUOTE (Neko Asakami @ May 6 2012, 03:18 PM)

So, I just finished building a character and when determining my starting money, Chummer says that I get 4D6 x $1000, meaning a luxury lifestyle. Thing is, I have no idea how it got this number. I used the advanced lifestyles and the total came up to 18 points, which is only a high lifestyle. The entertainment level is at luxury, would that do it?

EDIT: Ok, so I've poked around with this. There's one flaw where it attempts to determine the equivalent Lifestyle for cost by comparing LP. If it falls in a very small range, it accidentally places you in High instead of Middle. I'll have this fixed in the next update.

Qualities do not affect the effective Lifestyle category which determines the number of dice and the multiplier that are used to roll starting Nuyen. If the 5 aspects (Necessities, Security, Entertainment, Neighborhood, and Comforts) add up to 13 LP, it's treated as being a Medium Lifestyle, even if you have enough LP of Qualities to put it in the effective High or Low Lifestyle range. The total LP (5 aspects + Qualities) only determines the monthly cost.

Nebular

May 8 2012, 03:29 PM

QUOTE (BouncingCactus @ May 7 2012, 06:58 AM)

I thought the only real difference between a standard Muscle Toner and a deltagrade Muscle Toner is in the essence cost and probably other specific things that affects different grades differently, but I haven't found any such thing yet. So yeah, just entering Type O system does work just as intended with standard bioware.
I ought to simply have kept it at standard rating for 0 amount of confusion. But since I did muck around, here's a follow-up question though:

The question is, how does Type O system manage to reduce the essence cost of actual deltaware to 0?
Oooooh!
I see it now. Type O system cuts the standard price in half and then reduce the costs of all other grades by that amount.
.8 to .4 is a .4 adjustment, .96 to .56, .64 to .24, .56 to .16, .4 to .0

Is that just how it is programed, or is there somewhere in the rules that allows for this?
*curious complete newbie*
I don't think so, but no essence cost bioware does look pretty powerful, if expensive.

Keep in mind that Type O doesn't actually change the Bioware's Grade but instead lets you treat off-the-shelf (ie. Standard) Bioware as though it were Deltaware. That said, here's how Chummer actually calculates it in the background. The Type O Quality reduces the ESS cost of Basic Bioware by 50% (0.5). When calculating the Essence cost, the modifiers are first combined (Grade Ess modifier - additional modifiers) then applied to the item's Essence cost. This means that Standard (1.0) - Type O (0.5) = 0.5 or a 50% cost reduction and Deltaware (0.5) - Type O (0.5) = 0.0 or a 100% cost reduction for example. It's disgustingly pricey, but the rules certainly allow for it.

Nebular

May 8 2012, 03:37 PM

QUOTE (The Wrestling Troll @ May 7 2012, 10:05 AM)

Hi Nebular!

Got a quick question about cyberware and Chummer!

Is it possible to link the Stat-skill bonus of a limb directly to a skill?
For example having normal agility of 3 would result in pistol skill 3 +skilllevel. But my Char has 2 cyberarms with modified agility of 7 and would gain the full 7 agi for the dices in this skill.
Chummer somehow compares all the limbs and gives you only the average limbbonus of 4 agility to the skill. I know that would mean to split up all the skills into different body zones, but without that you ALWAYS have to calculate each individual skill after printing out the char and fix the numbers on the sheet. Only alternative to that is to fix the numbers via the "improvements" tab after char creation and fix all the skills yourself.

Wouldn't it also be possible to have a "body chart" (see attachement) integrated into Chummer that shows the individual Stats of the Cyberlimbs? Agility, Strenght and Body of each seperate Limb etc.

[ Spoiler ]

As of now, it's kinda hard or better said a nuisance to keep track of all the different cyberware stats.

The issue I see is that, as per the rules, the Attribute average is used in all Tests unless the GM decides that only the augmented limbs are involved. For example, climbing uses both arms and lets, as does swimming. You could argue that running is legs only, but what if the character is a primate that uses both arms and legs to run? While things like Pistols is usually performed with your arms, things like the eye guns and oral guns, and guns mounted in another limb like the torso, skull, or leg, wouldn't use the arm's AGI.

The same basic issue comes up with a limb/body diagram. Not all characters have 2 arms and 2 legs. Centaur and Naga player Metatypes immediately come to mind, along with most Critters.

Hellfire

May 8 2012, 04:23 PM

I have detected a slight glitch:

- when buying/adding an armor you can add the "Attitude" improvements (Carbon boron, delta amyloid and kevlar weaving) to every type of armor, even though it should only be possible for clothing and armor clothing
- also the WAR YNT softweave seems not to function as intended: when adding it to an armor clothing (for example Vashion Island Steampunk Vest ensemble (7/7), which has been improved to 10/8 by delta amyloid) which is worn by a BOD 4 STR 1 character, this should reduce AGI/REA by 1, but it doesn't (I cannot reproduce this in create mode, only in career mode, even when readding the equipment)

also an error:
when trying to add weapon accessory with the "add&more" button the program shows an error:
Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
adding the accessory with the "OK" button works perfectly however.

best regards
Hellfire

Nebular

May 8 2012, 05:47 PM

QUOTE (Hellfire @ May 8 2012, 10:23 AM)

I have detected a slight glitch:

- when buying/adding an armor you can add the "Attitude" improvements (Carbon boron, delta amyloid and kevlar weaving) to every type of armor, even though it should only be possible for clothing and armor clothing
- also the WAR YNT softweave seems not to function as intended: when adding it to an armor clothing (for example Vashion Island Steampunk Vest ensemble (7/7), which has been improved to 10/8 by delta amyloid) which is worn by a BOD 4 STR 1 character, this should reduce AGI/REA by 1, but it doesn't (I cannot reproduce this in create mode, only in career mode, even when readding the equipment)

also an error:
when trying to add weapon accessory with the "add&more" button the program shows an error:
Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
adding the accessory with the "OK" button works perfectly however.

best regards
Hellfire

Saw the Weapon Accessory one from a few days ago - I'll have that fixed in the next update. If you posted the other ones before then I apparently missed 'em. I'll take a look and try to get those corrected soon. Sorry, I've been trying to keep up but the past week or so has been pretty nuts.

Nebular

May 8 2012, 05:57 PM

So as some of you have probably noticed by now, I haven't been quite as responsive to some of the recent posts over the past week or so. Don't worry, development hasn't stopped! In what was supposed to be a week vacation of relaxation and writing code, I was instead dealing with a landslide of phone calls from various companies and recruiters in another city, hoping to get back to Calgary and building up a list of potential places to live which sucked up about 90% of my time. An insanely long and nerve-wracking week, but it has paid off as I'm headed back to Calgary by the end of the month!

I'll have another update ready for Thursday to address some of the issues that have come up recently. I'll try my best to be a little more responsive now that I have all of the phone call stuff out of the way, but I may still be a little slow until I finally make the move as there's all of that packing and logistic nonsense to still deal with.

ChatNoir

May 8 2012, 06:05 PM

Congrats on your future new job and good luck on that life change.

Nebular

May 8 2012, 06:37 PM

QUOTE (Hellfire @ May 8 2012, 10:23 AM)

- also the WAR YNT softweave seems not to function as intended: when adding it to an armor clothing (for example Vashion Island Steampunk Vest ensemble (7/7), which has been improved to 10/8 by delta amyloid) which is worn by a BOD 4 STR 1 character, this should reduce AGI/REA by 1, but it doesn't (I cannot reproduce this in create mode, only in career mode, even when readding the equipment)

This seems to be working properly using the current build in both Create and Career Modes. Does the character you're working with in Career Mode have any STR augmentations at all?

Nebular

May 8 2012, 06:47 PM

QUOTE (EpicUnknown @ May 5 2012, 03:45 PM)

Could you make it so that the metamagics that adepts get from their way show up in the metamagic table?

From what I can see, there isn't a need to actually add any other additional Metamagics for these. The Artisan's Way still uses the Adept Centering Metamagic, and the others just let you treat your Initiate Grade as being 1 higher for the purpose of determining the Metamagic's bonuses. Am I overlooking something?

Nebular

May 8 2012, 07:13 PM

QUOTE (Hellfire @ May 8 2012, 10:23 AM)

- when buying/adding an armor you can add the "Attitude" improvements (Carbon boron, delta amyloid and kevlar weaving) to every type of armor, even though it should only be possible for clothing and armor clothing

I've updated the Armor data file to correct this.

phlapjack77

May 9 2012, 04:06 AM

There might be a problem with spell drain calculation? When I choose a spell normally, the DV shows up correctly. If I choose a spell and make it a limited spell, the DV is 2 higher than it should be.

SpellBinder

May 9 2012, 06:05 AM

Yup, did a test of my own (combat LOS area elemental), and the +2 for Limited showed up in the DV value (F/2+7 instead of F/2+5) instead of the Resist Drain (10 instead of 12; resistance attributes are both 5, no other qualities) where Limited spells give their benefit.

The Wrestling Troll

May 9 2012, 01:57 PM

Hi Nebular!

Found a little bug!
Somehow the armormodification "feywear (glamour)" doesn't add the +3 dice bonus to social skills. And you don't have to pay Karma to bind them!
(Attitude, page 157) In the rules it says:

[ Spoiler ]

So could you add somekind of menu where you can choose a positive quality being added to the "feywear" item?
That way I could chose the armor mod feywear and attach a quality to it. Binding them shouldn't be a problem since you could handle them like foci and add them to the gears tab?

Nebular

May 9 2012, 01:58 PM

QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ May 8 2012, 10:06 PM)

There might be a problem with spell drain calculation? When I choose a spell normally, the DV shows up correctly. If I choose a spell and make it a limited spell, the DV is 2 higher than it should be.

QUOTE (SpellBinder @ May 9 2012, 12:05 AM)

Yup, did a test of my own (combat LOS area elemental), and the +2 for Limited showed up in the DV value (F/2+7 instead of F/2+5) instead of the Resist Drain (10 instead of 12; resistance attributes are both 5, no other qualities) where Limited spells give their benefit.

What the hell was I thinking?! Yeah, a Limited Spell should add +2 to the Drain Resistance Dice Pool, not increase the Spell's DV by +2. I had it right in my head but did completely the wrong thing in the code.

I'll have this fixed in the next update which will be either this evening or tomorrow evening.

Nebular

May 9 2012, 03:08 PM

QUOTE (The Wrestling Troll @ May 9 2012, 07:57 AM)

Hi Nebular!

Found a little bug!
Somehow the armormodification "feywear (glamour)" doesn't add the +3 dice bonus to social skills. And you don't have to pay Karma to bind them!
(Attitude, page 157) In the rules it says:

[ Spoiler ]

So could you add somekind of menu where you can choose a positive quality being added to the "feywear" item?
That way I could chose the armor mod feywear and attach a quality to it. Binding them shouldn't be a problem since you could handle them like foci and add them to the gears tab?

I've updated the Armor data file to add the bonus to Feywear (Glamour) and add the additional examples listed in the book. For the Kara Costs, those will need to be done as manual Karma Expenses for the time being.

Nebular

May 9 2012, 11:22 PM

Build 383

when creating a character with Karma, the cost for Special Attributes is now included in the maximum cost calculation as per RC 42
fixed an issue where Spells were not being translated when loading a saved character
Spirit and Sprite names are now properly translated when adding a new Spirit or Sprite to a character and use the proper Critter Metatype when creating a linked Critter
fixed an issue where clicking the Add & More button in the Select Weapon Accessory window would throw an error when trying to add additional Accessory to a non-Vehicle-mounted Weapon
fixed an issue where the Advanced Lifestyles window would put some Lifestyles into the High category instead of Middle if their LP fell within a certain range
corrected a stupid mistake where Limited Spells were adding +2 to their DV instead of +2 to the Resistance Dice Pool

Neko Asakami

May 10 2012, 02:32 AM

Glad I could help nab that bug with lifestyles, Nebular!

Problem now is when I load the character (after the latest updates), I get the following crash message: "Object reference not set to an instance of an object." Below is what I assume to be the relevant error text.

[ Spoiler ]

I do have a custom Magical Tradition, which is what I think is causing it. It was working just fine before, did you change formatting for it?

Sengir

May 10 2012, 07:49 AM

QUOTE (Neko Asakami @ May 10 2012, 02:32 AM)

I do have a custom Magical Tradition, which is what I think is causing it. It was working just fine before, did you change formatting for it?

I'm getting the same problem with a TM that has no custom stuff whatsoever. Interestingly enough only with that character, which I just edited yesterday, not with any other sheets that were last edited in older versions. Can provide the .chum file if required

SpellBinder

May 10 2012, 09:38 AM

I'm getting mixed results as well. A career mode magician lost her tradition (but not her spells) as well as everything in the "Karma and Nuyen" tab, Custom Lifestyle & Gear (but not Armor & Weapons), Vehicles, and Skills cannot be filtered (but otherwise appear to be fine); there might be more she's missing. The pre-career mode file loads just fine.

Note that this doesn't apply to another magician character I activated to career mode, nor to the first magician's file I activate to career mode. I think this is limited to just magician characters, though sadly I don't have any that don't have limited spells that were career active under a previous file version. I only have two cybered characters and a TM (all with custom content) outside the magician, and only the magician gives any errors.

Hellfire

May 10 2012, 10:32 AM

Hi Nebular,

with the latest version I also seem to have problems when opening some older characters, every time on opening an error comes up:

[ Spoiler ]

I don't know what the problem is. It happened on magicians, technomancers, mystic adept but not on every one of my characters...

I think it has something to do with bound spirits or sprites, as all of them are lost when the character is opened.

Nebular

May 10 2012, 12:55 PM

Holy crap! Sorry guys, not sure how I let that one slip by! It has to do with a change I made to add translation support to the Spirit/Sprite list.

Build 384

fixed an issue where the Spirit/Sprite control would throw an error when loading a saved character or attempting to add a new Spirit/Sprite

The Wrestling Troll

May 10 2012, 01:20 PM

Hi nebular!

Got a quick question about mentor spirits!

Couldn't you add a mentor spirit that has 2 dropdown menu's with all the possible bonuses to chose from?
That way it would be easily possible to add a custom mentor spirit without changing stuff in XML (since I'm a total noob at that)

At the moment if I want to use a custom tradition i just pick one with the drainstats I want and write the stuff about the tradition into the char details. But it would be nice if there was an easy way to add a tradition with self chosen drainstats.

But only if it doesn't bother you too much adding that stuff

Nebular

May 10 2012, 10:36 PM

QUOTE (The Wrestling Troll @ May 10 2012, 07:20 AM)

Hi nebular!

Got a quick question about mentor spirits!

Couldn't you add a mentor spirit that has 2 dropdown menu's with all the possible bonuses to chose from?
That way it would be easily possible to add a custom mentor spirit without changing stuff in XML (since I'm a total noob at that)

At the moment if I want to use a custom tradition i just pick one with the drainstats I want and write the stuff about the tradition into the char details. But it would be nice if there was an easy way to add a tradition with self chosen drainstats.

But only if it doesn't bother you too much adding that stuff

Mentor Spirits do allow 2 dropdowns with choices. Sun is a good example on setting up 2 sets of choices.

Nebular

May 10 2012, 10:36 PM

The Armor, Books, Critters, Cyberware, Gear, Powers, Spells, Vehicles, and Weapons data files have all been updated to include the new content from Hazard Pay.

SpellBinder

May 11 2012, 07:50 AM

In SR4a, on page 239, it's stated that Technomancers use the skills in the Cracking and Electronics skill groups differently from other hackers, but can learn them if they want. It wasn't too difficult to make a custom file of my own to help represent this (I just copied the skills into a new XML and put "Technomancer" in parenthesis after the groups & names), and have thought it might be a good idea to implement this mainstream. It'll be particularly helpful to those players who actually happen to make a character with the "Latent Technomancer" quality to differentiate the mundane skills from the TM skills of the same name since these are technically two different skill groups.

mister__joshua

May 11 2012, 08:15 AM

Is there a way to make Chummer update through a proxy server? Or does it already support this and my setting are messing it up? Cheers

mister__joshua

May 11 2012, 08:25 AM

QUOTE (mister__joshua @ May 11 2012, 09:15 AM)

Is there a way to make Chummer update through a proxy server? Or does it already support this and my setting are messing it up? Cheers

Forget that, I've fixed it. Wasn't a Chummer problem.

I am having another problem though. I've just opened up my character I made last week and all of his free knowledge skills have vanished. It seems to remember what I put as the greyed out skill next to the Add button is Local Area:Seattle with a Puyallup specialism, which was my top listed knowledge skill, but it has no rating and all of my other Knowledges are missing

Hellfire

May 11 2012, 10:25 AM

the chummergen website seems to be down, I am getting an error "The interface is unknown. "

The Wrestling Troll

May 11 2012, 04:04 PM

If you implant a grapple gun you can't select it as a weapon as described in Shadowrun Corebook p. 337

Should be a Weapon with 5s damage, Singleshot, 1(m) ammo

Hellfire

May 11 2012, 05:30 PM

One thing I just noticed: the Defiance EX Shock Taser should also be useable as a melee weapon (I guess it should be a club), can you perhaps add a melee weapon stat for 0 NY, so that it is selectable and shows in the melee weapon box when printing out the character?

Hellfire

May 11 2012, 05:53 PM

Somehow the Chummer version on the website is still the .383 version and not the current .384.
I guess that is due to the website crash?

Sengir

May 11 2012, 10:14 PM

I found another "Object reference not set to an instance of an object" error. This time it happens when I slect the weapon mount on a Doberman with a weapon installed
:

CODE

System.NullReferenceException:  Objektverweis wurde nicht auf eine Objektinstanz festgelegt. (The object reference was not set to an instance of an object)
   bei Chummer.frmCreate.RefreshSelectedVehicle()
   bei Chummer.frmCreate.treVehicles_AfterSelect(Object sender, TreeViewEventArgs e)
   bei System.Windows.Forms.TreeView.OnAfterSelect(TreeViewEventArgs e)
   bei System.Windows.Forms.TreeView.TvnSelected(NMTREEVIEW* nmtv)
   bei System.Windows.Forms.TreeView.WmNotify(Message& m)
   bei System.Windows.Forms.TreeView.WndProc(Message& m)
   bei System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
   bei System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
   bei System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)

Edit: There also is something seriously wrong with your calculation of Contact BP costs. Adding a contact costs nothing (Connection 1 + Loyalty 1 should already cost 2), and somehow improvements of the first Contact I add cost nothing until I add Group Contact Options

SpellBinder

May 11 2012, 11:04 PM

Regarding the Contacts, might wanna check your Options and make sure that the "Free Contact Points" box under "House Rules" isn't checked (I don't know German, so I don't know what the translation will be). If it is, you get free BP equal to twice your character's Charisma attribute towards the purchase of contacts.

Sengir

May 11 2012, 11:33 PM

QUOTE (SpellBinder @ May 11 2012, 11:04 PM)

Regarding the Contacts, might wanna check your Options and make sure that the "Free Contact Points" box under "House Rules" isn't checked (I don't know German, so I don't know what the translation will be). If it is, you get free BP equal to twice your character's Charisma attribute towards the purchase of contacts.

DOH, still had this checked from another game

SpellBinder

May 12 2012, 12:18 AM

If you're using different rule sets for different games (these are in the "settings" folder, not the "data" folder), you can create different defaults for the characters. Hard part is that this is set during creation, and you'd have to directly edit the .CHUM file afterwards (doable with any basic text editor like Notepad.exe).