Theory for the game:

What if the Finnigan's and the Bigilo's have made a small 'deal' where the Finnigan family pays X amount of cash so the Bigilo family doesnt interfere for X amount of minutes. This would allow the shadowrunner's to finish the job, barring our wiping them out, and let them excape in the van before the Bigilo mobsters came to 'help out'.
As such, the 5 minutes might be the timelimit we have to escape in the van before the Bigilo come in and try to wipe us out for causing trouble. The Doc might be giving us the way out without saying just such.

Maybe, but I suspect that Louie's men would be just as happy if the Bigios killed us for starting shit on their turf than if the Shadowrunners did it. So, if there was such a deal, they would probably volunteraly relax the situation and let the Bigio's lose a few men over it, this time.

My guess is that the Bigios were never told what was going to go down. In fact, Louie's guys probably hired the shadowrunners for the same reason everyone else hires them - so they can deny any involvement when they fail. Course, now that they have failed, Louie would probably want to press his advantage and attack while we're weak and recouperating (and while he knows where we are at), except he doesn't have time to drum up a new band of shadowrunners (at least 5 this time, since he sees Cerberus, Rocky and Angel arn't going solo anymore)... so Angelo and some thugs will have to do the job personally - but before doing that, he has to clear it with the Bigios, so they don't take it as a hostile action in their territory.

Right about now, I imagine Angelo is learning (if he didn't already know) that the Doctor, and thus the hospital, are under Bigio protection. The Bigios have a lot of reason to want to insure that the Doctor lives, and might be kind of pissed if they figure out that the Shadowrunners sent in to kick our asses attacked the hospital staff, since that directly hurts their operations... but I'm sure the only reason the Bigios would stand up for the rest of us it out of principle. They currently have something Louie wants, and if they're smart, they'll be using this time to get something of value in return.

I think we will just have to count on those negotiations taking a while. In any case, we can plan to escape via stolen van - but I imagine that the moment we leave this hospital, the Bigio umbrella of protection will fall. Having the mob kill us in the streets without damaging anything important to another family is still good, overall, for the mob - but would mean Louie owes them. Not that we'll care, if we're dead.

Sledge

Okay, tons more to do here, but just don't have time tonight. Off the top of my head I need to get to some Abbandon questions (or at least confirm some of the excellent answers some of you have helpfully provided), check out some of Konsaki's busy-busy actions (though they seem okay at first glance), send Konsaki a big PM on the drone (and the van?), get Rocky healed, and RP the interrogation.

On the interrogation - the moaning is fluff - not everyone with a totally full stun monitor need actually be unconsious. But neither is coherent in game terms at this time (though that should not be an insurmountable problem).

Probably some other stuff - if there is anything that is not listed above, please let me know if you are online before I log in tomorrow.

Oh, when the medics and Cerberus cart Rocky off, someone, I don't care who, finds an Ares Predator that he had been lying on. It is has 12 remaining APDS rounds in it.

Ok i guess your right. Filtering out stuff would be irrelavant and useless against a hacker, they could just lockout my filtering enhancments. Glasses and earbuds would be preferrable but i only have half of those right now. So i will just have to juggle my devices for the time being. I lost almost all my equipement back at my apartment. I did a crappy job of keeping track of what i had on me and im paying for it hehe.

For Reference : Ground piloting 1+ reaction 5 - wounds 3 = 3 dice Beat that! probable further negative modifiers for size disadvantage.

Does mind probe work on unconscious targets? I've always assumed it does, but we've never discussed it here.

If so:
Force 5 Mindprobe on crew-cut: Magic + Spellcasting + Bonus - Wounds # dice: 10 :: 1 4 2 3 2 5 1 4 3 1 -- 1 success
-- Can't get successes to save my life
Drain: # dice: 12 :: 5 1 3 1 2 1 2 3 1 5 4 6 -- 3 successes

Assuming I can get anything off of him with one success, going to pry out anything I can find about Brinhauser, who hired him, and then ask Johnson if he has any questions.

Seems like something that read someone's conscous thoughts wouldn't work, but since mind probe diggs deep into their memories, I think it would - but seems like another GM call that the BBB doesn't cover.

The answer is... "in your dreams!"

Okay, first of all I have looked over the recent time stamps and I see pretty good guesstimates on the progression of time/action, and I thank everyone for their care in this matter.

Just so we are clear, from the time Smith told Sledge four minutes, it will be 08:10:35.

So that is the point the AR countdown everyone is seeing thanks to Sledge is heading toward. That will be more like six minutes since the doc said get out in five, but whatever. If you are still around at that point - ??? - I don't know what'll happen, but you'll definitely be at the doc's deadline.

Sledge is DONE until 10:35. Everyone else is in line with the current IC stamps.

Konsaki - I am caught up on all your actions and everything looks A-OK. I don't have my notes on the vehicles with me, but what I am going to do tonight is actually post them all here - a lot of the info will be readily apparent to everyone, especially if anyone else does any piloting. I know everyone will continue to do a good job of playing dumb about what they don't know. And it will let me get info out there ahead of time so when people get around to ICing checking things out, the answers will already be up and we can move faster.

Cerberus



pragma

The good news is that he can't resist at all. But you and I both know that with one net hit all you get is the surface stuff - which right now is painpainpain and nothing else. If you sustain the spell and get him awake, might be different story.

JDragon

Okay, at 08:07:30 you wake up. Seven boxes of stun damage have been healed.

The first thing you hear is the doctor telling you - "There - you should be able to walk. You've got three minutes to be out of my clinic."

IC away.

Ok, IC up.

Just want to double check where my stats are currently.

By my math I should be at the following....
Down 5p / from 12p
Down 2s / from 9s

Which will result in -1 on rolls correct? (have High Pain Tolerance 2)

Also Adamu, did you take in account my Fast Healing on the doc's rolls?

Thanks

JD

I dont think my commlink info has to be private anymore so this is the following subscriptions it has: Earbuds/sub vocal mic, cybereyes, and my bike. I will try to expand on my wiki today to show whats currently tied to my comms.

I couldnt find the post where Cerberus helped people drag Rocky into the curtained area so i couldnt edit in anything about finding that Predator gun. Should we just say that it happened and the gun is on a tray next to Rocky or something?

-Does that pain tolerence quality and by relation Stim patches effect how many boxs of damage it takes to get your -2 modifer. For example does it go from 3/6 wounds to 5/8 wounds or is it 5/6?

@Adamu

Does armor stack via 3rd ED or are we using the RAW from 4th? They got rid of layering in 4th and it makes little sense.

Caittie is currently wearing Armored Cloths 4/0.
If she put on an Armored Jacket 8/6 over her cloths, she only has 8/6 armor but the body check goes against a 12/6, which would throw her down to -3 on Agility and Reaction. This negative would bring her to an effective 0 in both stats.

Why did they even make that crap-tastic rule?

Also, if she has an effective 0 in Agility and Reaction, can she walk/run or act as normal with the stats at that level?

Drone, van, commlink

With admin access, all this info is available to Angel and whomever she shares it with. Obvious hardware features are of course visible to anyone in IC proximity.

Commlink - headware - only way to run it is DNI or wifi -
5/5/5/6
Analyze, attack, armor, medic, command, spoof, stealth, encrypt, ECCM, sniffer, decrypt, browse, edit, track, biofeedback filter, exploit all at 5.

Drone - RAW MCT Nissan rotor-drone w/weapon mount and Ingram White Knight.
200 remaining rounds regular ammo.
Note that removing the gun without damaging drone takes a Aircraft Mechanic + Logic (2, 1 hour) test.
Gun is not skinlinked and has no external "trigger" or whatever - it fires and is targeted by the drone's software. Adapting for metahuman use would take parts plus Armorer + Logic (5, 1 day) test.
Drone is Device Rating 5.
The drone has analyze, clearsight, targeting (heavy weapons), maneuver, defense, and encrypt all at 5.

Van -
tomorrow - just don't have time tonight.

BlackHat and pragma

You guys, too, sorry - just don't have the time tonight.

Oh yeah! While the guy is coming to, I want to wave my cyberscanner-ring over him and the elf and see what it picks up.

Roll is just the rating I think, so six dice:
#D=6 : 623661 n1=1 n6=3 nHit=3

Johnson knows Cerberus looted those two guys in reception but he wouldnt know what i looted. You could probably just ask cerberus about the commlinks and what else there might have been since johnson told you i had those.

My question about pain tolerence is as follows. Lets say i have HPT (2). That makes it so i suffer the first wound modifier(-1) at 5 wounds. Does it also affect when you recieve your second wound modifier or does that stay the same. For example you would normally take your second wound modifier at 6 wounds but does that also get pushed back because of HPT by the rating or in the above example go from 6 wounds to 8 wounds?

As I understand the book & adamu, HPT effects all modifires -except the unconcious/coma/death cap- as if you had a number of (Rating) boxes of damage less in each condition monitor. So with HPT 2 & Will or Bod 7 you´d get your first -1 with 5 boxes, -2 with 8 and -3 with 11, but you´d still fall unconcious with 12 boxes!

Ok, IC none of you made any reply or whatnot to her talking about Angelo. She left and then Cerberus started talking to Rocky about it, but Johnson did nothing.

Second, Caittie is wearing one of the armored jackets in the van and none of you can tell her no since you arnt there. So, Nya!

Third, I'd like to rename Adamu to 'Unknown Sub-routine'.

First - a lot of people are complaining about loot not being mentioned or not knowing where such and such an item is or where who is or what is going on with whatsit. I say GREAT! You have six people that barely know each other who are interlopers in a now unfriendly and almost totally unknown environment who have just been variously shot, mana burned, ensorceled and whatever else in a vicious life or death battle trying to handle interrogations, cyber extractions, vehicle commandeering, body looting, and suss out Mafia politics in the space of five minutes. Hell, it'll take me longer than that just to write this one post! So if things fall between the cracks, GOOD! It would be silly if it were otherwise.

That said, you guys are handling it all extremely well. Big applause.

Second - Abbandon...what MK Ultra said.

Third - van

RAW BMC Bulldog plus,
rigger adapted drone/device rating 5/manual controls also functional
+4 armor
gas-sealed
doors will open for authorized voiceprints, and that's all they will open for
naturally cab opens into rear
tires have extended housing, making called shot -6 dice
Anti-tamper system, if activated, delivers 8S electrical attack on anyone touching anywhere on the exterior surface (except the tires, duh)
Analyze, maneuver, defense, encrypt, all at 5
No rear window or firing ports.
No armament.
In rear are weapon racks - right now only a smartlinked FN HAR with a full clip of APDS.
Lots of storage compartments -
One holds 500 rounds LMG ammo.
One holds an vehicle tool kit
One holds an aircraft tool kit.
One holds a rating 6 medkit.
There's a spare tire.
The exterior looks like however I said it did in a long ago IC post when Sledge and Fort spotted it.
Drone rack w/roof hatch - makes standing in rear pretty tricky - mostly gotta sit or crouch around.

Fourth - I forgot to talk about sensors. As noted, both have sensor 5.
That is an abstract rating. You will undoubtedly want to know exactly what sensors they have.

Van has microphones, but only around the doors - they are more like voiceprint readers. It has 360 degree camera coverage with LL and thermo. It as motion sensors, though they are currently set for collision avoidance (+5 dice on crash tests, but same penalty if on while trying to ram). It has an atmosperic sensor with chemical analyzer. everything obviously rating 5.

Drone is really for combat, not surveillance. It has a camera with infra, and low-light, as well as magnification. It has 360 degree ultrasound. That's it.

Fifth - Konsaki I forgot to anser all of your previous question - down to zero in any one physical attribute, can't really move your body.
Down to zero in any one of Willpower, Logic, or Intuition, cannot function coherently, and possibly unconscious.

Sixth - Smith's cyberware scan of Crew Cut - Cybereyes, cyberears, lots of dermal plating, all beta. No hidden weapons.

Does the van include a jack and tire iron to change that spare tire with?

Yes.

pragma - crew cut's surface thoughts are that he is sure to be killed. He is very depressed about this, and his mind is totally focused on calling his wife.

Rolling Psychology and/or Torture to make sure that what I'm doing IC is a good idea (at least according to my training):

Logic + More appropriate skill - 2 injury: # dice: 5 :: 2 5 1 5 5 -- 3 successes

Pooh! I wanted to let him call his wife - but you're probably right, and if you're not, I'm at least willing to play along.

I'm going to have Caittie just chill out in the van. She's tired and starting to really crash from her adrinalin high so her mind is starting to fuzz up.
If you really need to get her to do something, she's going to be unresponsive at first from now on until she can rest up and heal her stun damage.

Edit: The last thing she does is forward the Van info to Sledge. DR, you can write that into your next IC.

Space time continuum folding in on itself!
Calling Cerberus into the interrogation when he was ahead of you in time!!!

Oh well, not a huge deal.

Abbandon - could you please ease my neurotic anality attack and change, "continued to stand looking intimidating" to something like "saw the doctor and decided to say some things"? Then everything will fit nicely.

pragma - your training tells you that you are doing the right thing, although at some point there is a chance that his desire to call his wife will overpower anything you can do to him - can't be sure on that because you don't know the guy, but thoughts of her are nearly drowning everything else out in his mind. Also, you sense to prevarication in his answer on Louie - when he thinks of his Johnson, he thinks of Louie, and "the bounty".

Yeah Cerberus is warping all over the place lol. I edited my post so that i left.

Okay everyone - I will be unable to get online for the next three or four days starting now. Just no one panic that your GM has disappeared (all too common on this forum), and you know I will get back with the game as soon as I possibly can.

In three or four days, when you come back, if you want to reduce the interrogation to a die roll to get things moving again, Fortunato and I could supply a teamwork roll, and a list of questions we want answered, and our general plan of action with this guy.

Otherwise, if you want to IC it and make us feel more guilty about it, that's cool too. I expect that we'll probably be using most of the 5 minutes on this dude, though, despite that fact that there are probably only about 2 or 3 more questions I can think to ask.

Relevant information below, in case you need it up front. Expect IC to play out along these lines unless the situation changes significantly. Pragma (and anyone else, I don't really care) can look at the spoilers. Prag might want to comment or say how Fort would react or whatever. I mostly spoilered them for space's sake.

Questions:


Strategy:


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Obviously, these are just Smith's plans, and probably aren't very safe or well-thought out plans. He could be convinced to change his mind about helping this guy out ... but otherwise, I would not want to be in his shoes, and we gain nothing by killing him (except his silence). And potentially gain something (honor, dignity, respect, not to mention another shadowrunner contact). He has no real allegiance to Fishbreath, just like the rest of this team has no real allegiance to Smith, or Franco.

If he's willing to let Cattie make sure his cyber is clean (no images of us, recordings of the fight, audio files of our conversations, etc) and he gives us his word (even if it is worth nothing) not to make us regret it, I'm all for giving him a second chance after this. Johnson might even argue the point with some of the team, if it comes up. Could be fun.

Fort's basic plan is to continue letting Johnson act as the tough guy until crew-cut stops cooperating. When that point is reached he's going to swoop in and offer to let him contact his wife. Further specifics including preventing him from using his own comm. by offering to dictate a message to her and get it sent via matrix. (He'll use the fact that his wife probably doesn't want to hear him with a broken jaw as leverage for the plan.)

Blackhat, feel free to look at spoilers if you like.

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@BlackHat

Two problems with having Caittie do that to his cyber.
1 - she isnt within 3 meters of him and I dont have admin access.
2 - she is also currently out of it due to the stacked stun damage. Not unconsious, but definatly crashing off her adrinalin high.

Well, the idea was that this was something we would do before setting him free - so it wouldn't have to be RIGHT now.

Did think of something else though. if it is hard for him to speak, there isn't really any reason he needs to - Fortunato could read his mind and answer for him. Adam isn't about to suggest it, but if he has trouble speaking, that might be how we have to solve it.

Hello everyone - I am back to the world of computer access, but my personal situation remains quite precarious. My plan at the moment is to keep up with the games I am a player in (since that takes about 15 minutes a week), but don't expect any serious GMing for a few days more. Sorry - life is just really a pain right now.

We miss you =)

Yeah, take care of real-life stuff first. We'll be here when you come back.

Hey - because you guys have, for like half a year now, been the most dedicated group of players I could ever have hoped for, I feel obligated to keep checking in and letting you know that this game remains very much ongoing, and I remain completely invested in it.
The thing is, I just had some surgery, and I am just not yet at a point where I can remain in a sitting-at-the-computer position for very long at a stretch. Am prioritizing getting well, but am chomping at bit to get back into things on my usual daily basis.
Thank you for bearing with me. Hope to do lots of bumps within a few days.
adamu

Ooh, I hope the surgery wasn't for anything too serious. In any case, getting well is certainly a top priority - good luck!

Heh, nice one DR.